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[Brettnyt]

Im mergin onto the freeway yesterday, shift into third, ride it up to the fuel cutoff, shift into fourth, (positive it went into fourth gear notch) and instead of it going into 4th, it went into second! :mad: It happened to me twice yesterday while merging... So, fuel cutoff in Third= 80 sumthin... right? Anyways, fuel cutoff in second= 55... To make a long story short, my engine ROARED up to atleast 9600 RPM before i got the clutch back in... Im pissed... honda will be gettin a call from me this week... Whatu think, tranny out of allignment? Engine damage? Im pissed, but i do know that it sounded BITCHIN! :confused: :eek: This happened to anyone else?

[IceD out N CALI]

so your engine runs okay now? any damage?

[mhx]

FUNNY last time i checked fuel cut of was at 7200..

how did you go 9600 RPM? lol


i smell BS

[AlBlueCar]

No BS it can be done easily. Ive never done it but think aboot it. If you're cruising at 3000 rpm in third, thats about 4500 rpm in second, maybe higher. once you downshift, you'll go from 3000 (3rd) to 4500 (4th). If you redline it in third (7100 rpm) but "upshift" ( ie- think you goto fourth but goto second) you can EASILY rev up to 9000 rpm. Yes the fuel is cut off then, so your rpms drop as soon as your car's speed goes to a speed within the range of the gear's speed. So there. No BS. And Brett, hope your EP is okay, hate to see another one go down:( :( :( .

[siver-SI]

I have done this bad two about twice so far if I remeber right. Both times I was not even near red line so I only went up to around 6-7000 RPM's. This if the reason I am not going to put a short sifter in there for a little. I want to make sure I have this car down before I get a upgrade like that for my car.

[Brettnyt]

Originally posted by mhx
FUNNY last time i checked fuel cut of was at 7200..

how did you go 9600 RPM? lol


i smell BS

No BS here, I wish it was... Fuel cut off actually hits when the tach hits about 7100, but if your wheels are spinnin real fast, and you put your clutch into a low gear, that wont stop the engine RPM's from skyrocketing, even though the fuel may be cutoff... There is nothing that will disengage the clutch from the engine if rpm's get to high...

[Brettnyt]

Originally posted by AlBlueCar
No BS it can be done easily. Ive never done it but think aboot it. If you're cruising at 3000 rpm in third, thats about 4500 rpm in second, maybe higher. once you downshift, you'll go from 3000 (3rd) to 4500 (4th). If you redline it in third (7100 rpm) but "upshift" ( ie- think you goto fourth but goto second) you can EASILY rev up to 9000 rpm. Yes the fuel is cut off then, so your rpms drop as soon as your car's speed goes to a speed within the range of the gear's speed. So there. No BS. And Brett, hope your EP is okay, hate to see another one go down:( :( :( .

Thanks man, should be fine, if not, its all under warranty... Im pissed as hell! I wouldnt mind a new engine, complements of honda though... Seemed to be running fine today, but we'll see... You think they will be able to blame me if the problem was that the car went into second instead of 4th? Im positive it was in the 4th gear notch.... it just decided to grab second.... Ive been shiftin real carefully into 4th now... I really dont wanna toast my engine... After it happened, the engine temp didnt go up or anything, just had that rotten smell followin me for a while... Oh yeah, when do people reccoment the first oil change? Ive got 1986 miles and havent done a thing, but i hear about people changin at 600 miles etc...

[IceD out N CALI]

change the oil at 5k miles. oh yeah, check your oil level frequently. the ep has a tendency to use it up quick in first 5k

[HokieSi]

Did you get a cel? Hear a pop? Does your engine sound irregular? Is it possible that you can shift into the 4 gate/position and select the 2nd gear?

[Brettnyt]

Engine seems to be running fine... no noticable differences...

[Suk02Si]

happened to me once, not the accidental upshift but when I was racing a while back i was floored in third around 6k rpm and the shifter popped out of place all of a sudden, both my hands were on the steering wheel. When it popped out of gear i heard a quick pop and all of a sudden i see the tach somewhere around 9k :D

[Brettnyt]

Originally posted by Suk02Si
happened to me once, not the accidental upshift but when I was racing a while back i was floored in third around 6k rpm and the shifter popped out of place all of a sudden, both my hands were on the steering wheel. When it popped out of gear i heard a quick pop and all of a sudden i see the tach somewhere around 9k :D

Yeah, it roars, dont it.... :eek:

[Type X]

Originally posted by Brettnyt
Engine seems to be running fine... no noticable differences...


umm so what are u going to tell honda

give me a new motor? cause i didnt shift from 4th instead of 2nd?

cause if u tell them that your tranny fuckty cause u dropped the wrong gear than u are in the wrong

its a catch 22

just stop trying to milk honda for a new motor

yours is fine

[Brettnyt]

Yeah, im not tryin for a new motor, neva said that, i just want my tranny fixed cuz right now theres somethin wrong with it... its notchy on lotsa shifts, and now this problem...

[natesi]

There's nothing wrong with your tranny; this happens when you're not careful. There's a big "thing" about it at www.rsx.com, but for the 6 speed. Do a search for "miss shift" or "misshift", or what ever there. You'll have more information than you could read in an entire day.

The problem is you're shifting to second. Not to be a smarty-pants, but you don't even have 2000 miles on the car; you're still learning the intricacies, feel, etc, at 2000 miles. It' really not that many miles or that long to be driving it to say you know it so well, that you're 100% sure you went to 4th gear. Obviously you didn't. You've gotta be more careful or change your shift technique, way you hold the handle, etc. I put the middle part of my hand on the crest of the sift knob and press straight down when I go from 3rd to 4th. I don't cradle the sift knob, so there's a lot less chance of it going to 2nd that way.

If you want to error, error on the side of putting it into Reverse, because when you're going 80 miles per hour it would basically be impossible unless you double clutched--and most people don't do that, especially at 80.

[natesi]

By the way, I have a video of a guy miss-shifting and blowing the engine in his RSX type-S. Not sure where it is though; on a CD I burned somewhere.

I think a lot of other people have the same video. Maybe someone could post it.

[HokieSi]

You guys know that you can disengage the gear without using the clutch. If you are in 3rd or 4th (using these as examples but can be done w/ any gear) maintain a constant speed, then very gently press the gas pedal and let off at the same time you gently nudge the tranny into neutral. If you have your hand resting on the shifter it is very likely if you are in a very high rpm range for it to become disengaged especially if the limiter kicks in. After the tranny is in neutral though the limiter should kick in and there should be no way to bypass it.

No worries though i'm sure our engine can take it. Good thing we have a timing chain instead of a belt. Remeber what you see on the tach is probably 500-1000 rpm off at that high.

[HokieSi]

When and if you go to honda don't admit anything. Also, reset your ecu.

[mental]

i think you may want to get your valves and valve seats checked you may have floated a valve or done minor damage. even if the damage is minor it can still cause major problems later.
And secondly i have gone from 2-1 thinking i was going 2-3 and i am pretty sure it was just me... lol...
so i guess what i am saying is... try to shift a lil slower and make sure of what gear your going to... if the problems presist go get it checked and while your there pick me up a brochure on the new element and s2000... lol jk...
And thirdly... like i said i am guilty so i am not hating or questioning your driving abilities however if youre shifting at fuel cutoff like you say.. well that makes me think your running it hard... and theres nothing wrong with that but with hard driving comes hard shifting and you might just be getting a lil over anxious and hitting the wrong gear... it happens to the best of us... but like i said this is all IMO so just keeping working with it something is bound to turn up if its you its easily fixable if its your car take it to honda...
AND DONT FORGET... while youre there to get me a S2000 brochure... lol really i am just kidding... lol

KEEP DRiViNG

[Brettnyt]

Originally posted by HokieSi
When and if you go to honda don't admit anything. Also, reset your ecu.

How do I reset my ECU?

[Brettnyt]

Originally posted by mental
i think you may want to get your valves and valve seats checked you may have floated a valve or done minor damage. even if the damage is minor it can still cause major problems later.
And secondly i have gone from 2-1 thinking i was going 2-3 and i am pretty sure it was just me... lol...
so i guess what i am saying is... try to shift a lil slower and make sure of what gear your going to... if the problems presist go get it checked and while your there pick me up a brochure on the new element and s2000... lol jk...
And thirdly... like i said i am guilty so i am not hating or questioning your driving abilities however if youre shifting at fuel cutoff like you say.. well that makes me think your running it hard... and theres nothing wrong with that but with hard driving comes hard shifting and you might just be getting a lil over anxious and hitting the wrong gear... it happens to the best of us... but like i said this is all IMO so just keeping working with it something is bound to turn up if its you its easily fixable if its your car take it to honda...
AND DONT FORGET... while youre there to get me a S2000 brochure... lol really i am just kidding... lol

KEEP DRiViNG

Yeah, i dont normally drive like that, i was just havin some fun with some friends... I was thinkin the same thing about gettin the valves checked and all, it wouldnt hurt... How much would a check up like that cost? Im 16 and broke... :( speaking of S2000, have you seen ArticBlueRSX's S2000? Check it out in MR section, WOW! Its my desktop right now... Anyways, thanks for the input all...

-Brett

[klik]

One thing i can tell yah for those who miss shifted, learn to drive stick like a pro! dont trow shift like a baby throw it like a mad man, in that case ill definitely go to the gear u decide to go
"jokenzzz"

[Dunrick]

9700 on our tach is probably like 9200

shouldn't do any major damage...just dont do it too much

[Brettnyt]

Originally posted by Dunrick
9700 on our tach is probably like 9200

shouldn't do any major damage...just dont do it too much

(sigh of relief) I saw that and my eyes went SOOOOOO wide! :eek: It was les than a mile from Honda Auto Center of Bellevue too... :o

[HokieSi]

How to Reset the ECM
-Turn the ignition switch OFF, and remove the No. 6 ECU (15A) fuse from the under-hood fuse/relay box for 10 seconds.

I'm not sure if you will need to let the car re-learn idle. I'm assuming this just resets the freeze data that includes:

-Diagnostic Trouble Code
-Engine Speed
-Vehicle Speed
-MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure)
-ECT (Engine Coolant Temperature)
-Fuel System Status
-Short Term Fuel Trim
-Long Term Fuel Trim
-Intake Air Temperature
-Throttle Position
-Calculated Load Value

Freeze data would be that data that is stored when an abnormal event happens. (ie a DTC being thrown)

[mental]

HOLY FUCK BRETT!!!! youre only 16 and you got an ep3... dam i thought i was the youngest on hear turns out i am way wrong... i got my ep when i was 17... and i am 18 now... WOW thats crasy... so is this your first car... and is this your first standard... thats fuken neat i wish my first car would have been a ever famous DOHC VTEC honda lol... but i got stuck with a dohc zetec ford escort.. lol wow thats neat... keep driving and try to be careful with her... she is after all just metal and plastic..

[Brettnyt]

Haha, yeah man... I love this car to death... I always park far away from everywhere but i still come outside to find little dents and all! Quite the first car, i must say... its so much fun! Now I just wanna mod it... Still tryin to talk my parents into that... First thing is a tint (about 20%), how can I talk em into that?

Oh yeah, crazy thing is, i got my car when I was 15, about 1 month before my B-day...

[siver-SI]

Tell them you are having a hard time seeing do to the sun and you have been told that a tinting to your car will help so much and you will be safer in the car because of it.

[mental]

brett your parents really cant say shit if ya got cash in hand!!! if you want intake they will never know! if ya want a front strutbar they will never know and one of the biggies is a rear strutbar those are almost impossible to detect on our cars cuz they tuck under the carpet.. and remember always try and appeal to them... ohh and for lowering the best way to go is coilovers especially when it comes to partents.. i had some cheap ass coilovers on my ford escort and when i went AUTO-Xing i slamed that bitch and when i went home i cranked them up to stock hieght my dad never knew till he asked if i painted my springs one day and i told him and explianded that they had been on for like 6 months and they never even noticed them so whats the big deal... after that... well we got into it together and we are about to buy a crx for auto-xing!! lol just remember with parents and auto shops money talks if you tell them you want wheels they are gonna say "no... you got wheels and tires that work just fine.." sound familiar.. lol yeah been there done that.. so always be ready to say well i got the money right now i dont need any help from you all i need is your okay... and if they say no... then spend your money else where and come back later.. ohh and NEVER let your dad talk to anyone in the Sport compact/import scene!! my dad talked to a guys at a shop once about 16s vs 17s and the guy said one bad thing about 17" wheels so my dad got convinced that 17s are just too big and tear shit up and thats not what he wanted!!! till this day he still hate my 18" wheels... he says they are too.. well they remind of a certain ethnic group... he doesnt think such a nice car should have big wheels... lol hes so old.. lol any way have fun kiddo...

[AlBlueCar]

EP was my first car too! Got in January and have been loving it since. AND i just got an AEM CAI, DC Sports headers, and Eibach springs in the mail yesterday. JOY!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D (gratutious monkey use-i know) I had a hard time convincing my parents, but after explaining to them that i bought this car to modify it, they let me buy whatever i can afford (wheels are next, after strut bars, and sway bars, and whatever else...) But i got a question for all those who installed the CAI themselves- is it really neccessary to jack up the car? I don't have a jack stand or anything and it's to heavy to have someone hold the car up for me (he said jokingly:D ) Otherwise, i can install the CAI myself.

[Brettnyt]

Originally posted by mental
brett your parents really cant say shit if ya got cash in hand!!! if you want intake they will never know! if ya want a front strutbar they will never know and one of the biggies is a rear strutbar those are almost impossible to detect on our cars cuz they tuck under the carpet.. and remember always try and appeal to them... ohh and for lowering the best way to go is coilovers especially when it comes to partents.. i had some cheap ass coilovers on my ford escort and when i went AUTO-Xing i slamed that bitch and when i went home i cranked them up to stock hieght my dad never knew till he asked if i painted my springs one day and i told him and explianded that they had been on for like 6 months and they never even noticed them so whats the big deal... after that... well we got into it together and we are about to buy a crx for auto-xing!! lol just remember with parents and auto shops money talks if you tell them you want wheels they are gonna say "no... you got wheels and tires that work just fine.." sound familiar.. lol yeah been there done that.. so always be ready to say well i got the money right now i dont need any help from you all i need is your okay... and if they say no... then spend your money else where and come back later.. ohh and NEVER let your dad talk to anyone in the Sport compact/import scene!! my dad talked to a guys at a shop once about 16s vs 17s and the guy said one bad thing about 17" wheels so my dad got convinced that 17s are just too big and tear shit up and thats not what he wanted!!! till this day he still hate my 18" wheels... he says they are too.. well they remind of a certain ethnic group... he doesnt think such a nice car should have big wheels... lol hes so old.. lol any way have fun kiddo...

Haha! That is SO my parents! "You have wheels that work just fine!" I love your coilover story... how easy are coilovers to adjust? Ive always wondered about that... My dad would be fine with this stuff if it werent for my mom... hees always gotta side with the woman of the house... u know that... My mom just thinks "Lowrider" and redneck when she thinks of modified cars... BUH! Its technically their car (they own it) so its real tough to do this stuff... "If you do stuff to your car it will lower the resale value!" Anyways, thanks for the suggestions!