JRSC whp and Torque numbers...

[Tekdemon]

well, although nobody has a dyno of the Si as far as I know, there *is* this dyno of a RSX-S...

I would figure that our dyno would be quite similar except cutting off at 6800RPM or whatever RPM the Hondata included with it limits it to(the dyno is on an RSX-S stock with the SC Hondata and JRSC)

[mhx]

how much boost?

[Tekdemon]

and here's my horrible photochop of how the dyno might be if they program the Hondata to 7700RPM like the regular one...not so bad =P

Of course this is not very scientific, but I figure our dyno will be somewhat close...and we can throw a CAI or something on top of it =P

Fixed attached image so it wasn't unbelievably wrong =P

I don't know what psi this was at but I *think* it was 5...

[D16Y8_Turbo]

In Velocity magazine, they had Oscar Jackson write an article about the supercharger kit for the RSX Types S and the Si both boosted a neck snapping 4.8 lbs of boost. :eek: I would bet they will have a Boost upgrade to run more boost with the kits in the future. The old kits on the 6th gens or older were using 6 lbs with the boost upgrade kit running 8 or 9 lbs.

[ssvr6]

My guess is that we'll gain something like 60hp. I can't see it being more than that from a roots based blower pushing 5lbs.


Steve

[K20NutBucket]

ive read that since the type-s is running such high compression, JR was only running up to 5 lbs. I figure since the si is running lower compression JR would probably run up to 7lbs. So it more less will have a lil less with the type-s as far as horsepower. Hopefully we will know something next month since thats when they start shipping them out. If i didnt have a child on the way id get one but priorities first, maybe next year ill be blown...hehehe

[Delta Mike]

Can any of you give an educated guess on what the supercharger would do to our EP's 0-60 times?

[D16Y8_Turbo]

First of all, I called Jackson Racing yesterday. They confirmed it was only running 4.8 lbs of boost and there WILL BE a boost upgrade kit. I asked if they (JR) will have a boost upgrade kit for the Si and the rep said, "Oh definately, No question, just will take some time for R & D and production." :D

I would estimate the 0-60 times maybe a couple tenths to .3 tenths faster than stock. I have read in Car and Driver they tested the Si to 60 in 8.0 seconds. I don't believe that but with the blower I guessing 6.9 to 7.0 would be about right WITHOUT any other mods and just the blower. But I don't have a Si yet, ordering it tomorrow with the blower :D

[Tekdemon]

nah the blown times should be a bit lower than that if the hondata raises the redline too(but I dunno if this is the case), because with the hondata people already get substantially lower 0-60's due to the raised redline...

The increased power should bring 0-60's even quicker though so my own estimate would be the mid 6's or so...

[D16Y8_Turbo]

I was guessing for the supercharger only...no other mods. The special K article in Velocity has the Si 0-60 in 6.6 with i/h/e/sc.

[Delta Mike]

Originally posted by D16Y8_Turbo
I was guessing for the supercharger only...no other mods. The special K article in Velocity has the Si 0-60 in 6.6 with i/h/e/sc.

Damn, that sucks!!...
Oh ya, i just drove a 2003 Accord V6 6-speed today. VERY NICE! I would hate to see what that thing can do when it is supercharged.

Anyway, 6.6 seconds really sucks...I was hoping for around the mid 5.5-5.7 range. I really need to re-think this whole "supercharger" thing...I mean, for the money it will cost me...6.6 sec is not adequate AT ALL...I may sell my EP to my Brother and then get the Accord or WRX.

Peace

mike

[isaac biggin]

Look fellers,I think the numbers go something like this for are cars.The supercharger puts out 5 psi and that translates to 40 hp to the wheels in the dyno charts that i saw with it installed on our k20a3.. first i was thinking supercharger now i thinking turbo.:cool:

[ephatchback]

Correction. My si ran a 7.1 0-60, and 15.60 qm at 93mph with i/e and coilovers. 5 pounds of boost should at least lower that to low 6 0-60 and mid 14 qm. A friend of mine has a jrsc on his gsr running 5.1 0-60 and low 13 qm. But he's also got a 8.5:1 pistons(mistake) cause he thought he'd be able to run more than 13 psi on the blower.

[Wht-Si]

I red from sportcompactcar magazine talks about JR supercharger for RSX-S and Si. They were at the Pomona strip for testing and they were able to run 60mph in 6.6sec and 1/4 miles in 14.6sec I think. Anyway they also claimed that it makes 204HP from 125HP stock. I don't remember the TQ number though. I think it was like 170 something.

I think that's pretty good with only 5psi. If Hondata come out with flash for that setup, we are might get another 15 ~ 20 out of this setup.

[Mad02Si]

[i] they were able to run 60mph in 6.6sec and 1/4 miles in 14.6sec I think. Anyway they also claimed that it makes 204HP from 125HP stock. I don't remember the TQ number though. I think it was like 170 something.

I think that's pretty good with only 5psi. If Hondata come out with flash for that setup, we are might get another 15 ~ 20 out of this setup. [/B]I just hate what if's I want some testing that would appeal to me. 125 hp at the wheels?? that must be on that Cali gas. Thats claiming a 80 hp gain?? So if my car is 145 at the wheels than I would be making 225 with the Super charger? If they could come out with base numbers like most of us here have like 135-150 at the wheels and say we will get an 80 hp gain than I would really pinch my pennies for their kit but companies like JRSC seem to fix there numbers to make them look better than they are.. Just my .02 cents..

[D16Y8_Turbo]

Originally posted by Wht-Si
I red from sportcompactcar magazine talks about JR supercharger for RSX-S and Si. They were at the Pomona strip for testing and they were able to run 60mph in 6.6sec and 1/4 miles in 14.6sec I think. Anyway they also claimed that it makes 204HP from 125HP stock.

SCC didn't mention the mods but those are the same numbers that were in the Velocity magazine and Oscar Jackson WROTE the article and stated that he used a DC Sports DAC intake, Jardine Header (specially designed), and exhaust INCLUDING hondata work in order to get the 204 at the wheels numbers you were talking about. SCC is not mentioning in the article those mods Jackson used to get those numbers.

I already wrote SCC and asked them to print correct info not some BS and give people certain aspirations that is not obtainable with more than the Jackson Racing blower.

In short, the 204 numbers were with i/h/e/hondata/SC (4.8lbs) not just the Supercharger as SCC claims on page 31 of July 2003 mag.

So now you know :)

[I SELL HONDAS]

here it is:p :cool: :p :'(

[I SELL HONDAS]

you must have i/h/e to get any thing out a boosted car, turbo or s/c................duh

[S2KplusSI]

I've been disappointed w/the JRSC numbers, turbo is the way to go.

[CSMsi311]

Originally posted by I SELL HONDAS
you must have i/h/e to get any thing out a boosted car, turbo or s/c................duh
you do not need an aftermarket intake and header if you are going to run TURBO, they will come with the kit.

[I SELL HONDAS]

Originally posted by CSMsi311

you do not need an aftermarket intake and header if you are going to run TURBO, they will come with the kit.



Your point being?

[D16Y8_Turbo]

Originally posted by I SELL HONDAS
Your point being?

He is referring to your previous post:


Orginally posted by I SELL HONDAS you must have i/h/e to get any thing out a boosted car, turbo or s/c................duh

You don't need i/h for a turbo car as you stated. His point is that they're in the turbo kit and you need not buy aftermarket intake or header.

Although, i/h/e are important to adding additional power to a supercharged ride, THEE most important thing you get out of a boosted car is....BOOST ;)

[I SELL HONDAS]

to maximize ANY motors performance you must get air/fuel into and out of the motor as efficienty as possible. intake header and exaust is the only way to do that. if it comes with the kit thats fine but that does not mean thay are free.

[SlickShoes]

Looks like you guys also get a "street version". Any idea what the difference between the "street" and the "race" versions are? Just more boost?

Street version
http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/details/detailjr/images/03%20Civic%20SI%20Street%20SC%20.gif

[D16Y8_Turbo]

Race version includes a Hondata spec reflash ECU and a total of 10 lbs of boost (5 lbs for street version). This according to Jackson Racing sales associate.

[Papa Bear]

Am I the only one that thinks that those numbers are a joke? Three grand for that? I have been holding off for this kit and now I'm not even considering it. Guys on here are putting down 160+ with just I/H/E. And what's up with the 125hp base dyno? Do they think that we are all stupid? A turbo seems the only viable upgrade for the ep3 if you want some real power.

[SiR Medic]

Originally posted by SlickShoes
Looks like you guys also get a "street version". Any idea what the difference between the "street" and the "race" versions are? Just more boost?

Street version
http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/details/detailjr/images/03%20Civic%20SI%20Street%20SC%20.gif

Some of you haters ain't seeing the forest for the trees.

Turbos are ALWAYS better for straight up horsepower... Superchargers... Well...

JUST LOOK AT THAT TORQUE CURVE! :p

[Rueda del Queso]

That torque curve is pretty lame considering the turbo ssvr6 gets about 50-60 ft-lbs more torque throughout the curve.

[Papa Bear]

Ya, almost 150lb/ft of tourque. I don't know if my body can handle the g's!:D

[Papa Bear]

Wait, I just noticed something else. The top HP # comes on a spike at the end, the real power never tops 175HP and due to the red line it looks like that is WITH the Hondata flash!

[ssvr6]

On 7.5lbs, I made 200+ ft lbs at 4200rpm ALL THE WAY to redline. It's a straight line.

Steve

[SiR Medic]

So...

What's the price difference (if any) between the supercharger and the turbo?

[ssvr6]

$4400 for the Cybernation Stage I (MSRP)

But who pays MSRP?


Steve

[SiR Medic]

So how much is the Jackson Supercharger?

I think it would be pretty good if its a lot cheaper than a turbo.

Personally, (no offense Steve!) I couldn't deal with an expensive, finicky turbo, but a nice, simple supercharger...:o hmmm....

[Papa Bear]

I am guessing the street version will be about $3000, similar to the RSX and Focus versions.

[chet]

And according to the email I received from JR, we won't know until the end of July (price and availability). They WILL jack the price on us. We'll be lucky to get it for $3500.

[Rueda del Queso]

Medic, In case you didn't catch on by his comment ssvr6 didn't pay $4400. He is partially sponsored by cybernation so he got a deal. My guess is he paid . . . $2400.

[Papa Bear]

Originally posted by chet
And according to the email I received from JR, we won't know until the end of July (price and availability). They WILL jack the price on us. We'll be lucky to get it for $3500.
You mean, they'll be lucky to sell it for that! I was just looking at the dyno section where Joshua is getting 165hp & 130lb/ft of tourque with i/h/e and hondata. You will get 10hp and 20lb/ft for $3500? Good luck moving those Oscar!

[FailureToStop]

Well as you guys may already know, the JRSC si is in July issue of Honda Tuning.

With "identical mods" of the JR Type-S:

DC Sports Intake
DC Sports Catback exhaust
Jackson Racing Header
Hondata Flash

The JRSC was getting 206 HP and 125 lb-ft at the wheels.

I'm not quite sure if the above mods are included with the kit, but priced alone:

DC Sports Intake ~$150
DC Sports Catback ~$550
Jackson Racing Header ~$300-$500
Hondata Flash ~$5-600

You are looking at $1500-$1800 in addition to what the SC will cost if the above mods aren't included with the kit.

Those prices for the above mods are street prices. If the JRSC has a street price of $2700 (NopiOnline prices for 2000 si JRSC) you are looking at $4200-$4500 street price for the JRSC and the mods to get that 206HP.

With a MSRP of the Cybernation kit at $4400.00 the JRSC just doesn't seem to be a good bang for the buck.

The JRSC system is going to cost more while also delivering less HP and less Torque!

... that's AWFUL! :'(

[chubbychu]

Whats the point of this NEAR useless mod? dump a bunch of $$ down the drain so that JR can make better superchargers for other cars. im a little dissapointed. i wish someone made a GOOD SC for our cars....turbo can be too expensive to keep. But SC woohoo!

[FailureToStop]

The Revhard kit can be had for $3500 delivered.

http://www.afterhourzracing.com/shop/index.php?action=item&substart=0&id=197

If I am reading it right, the $3500 Revhard kit puts out 244HP and 199TQ at the wheels.

It's supposed to comes with:

Rev Hard Custom Manifold
Rev Hard T3T4 Turbo
Rev Hard Intercooler (28x6.5x3)
Turbo Smart Wastegate (7 psi)
Vortech Blow-Off Valve
2.25" Aluminzed Mandrel Bent Piping
2.5" Downpipe
Rev Hard FC (Fuel Controller)
Purosil Hoses and Clamps
Steel braided -3 Oil line
Oil Return Line
High Pressure Silicon Line
Necessary Vacuum Lines
Necessary Vacuum Tee's