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Glix
08-14-2002, 05:14 PM
Disappointing. That's best word to describe the new 2002 Civic Si.

Surprised? Incredulous? So were we after putting the Civic up against the SVT Focus and VW New Beetle Turbo S. It's not so much the car; the product is decent. The disappointment came from what was expected.

This is Honda we are talking about. This is a company that has faithfully served up spicy, entertaining and affordable rides for thousands of enthusiast drivers. Back in 1986, Honda got things started with the Civic Si and CRX Si. Today, Civics are by far the most popular car for youths in their late teens and early '20s to hot-rod and modify. One would think that with so much riding on the car, Honda would have come up with something, well, a bit more spectacular.

Read Honda's press kit, and the '02 Civic Si seems impressive. The Si starts off with a three-door hatchback body style, a body style that is new for this year and available only with the Si trim. There's a unique interior, and under the hood is the most advanced and biggest displacement Si engine yet. Other tasty tidbits include a sport-tuned suspension, electrical power steering and upgraded brakes.

Somewhere in the move from paper to reality, Honda fumbled the handoff. The first bobble happens to be the exterior styling. While styling has never been a strength of the Civic hatchback, the consensus during the test was that the car has sunk to new lows. Squint, and the Honda's high cowl, raked windshield and boxy rear end might confuse you into thinking you're looking at a shrunken Mazda MPV minivan. "Rolling doorstop" was another common snide remark. Our test car's Euro Yellow paint didn't do it any favors, either, as it was colorfully renamed "Urine Yellow." (Hint: When automotive journalists fall over themselves trying to come up with witty derogatory remarks, you know a car's in trouble).

For power, the Civic Si utilizes an all-aluminum 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine. It's from Honda's latest family of engines, and a very similar version resides inside the Acura RSX. It features i-VTEC, a variable valve timing and lift system that also adjusts the timing of the intake camshaft. Listed specs are 160 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 132 pound-feet of torque at 5,000 rpm, making the Civic the least powerful car in the test. The engine is connected to an Si-exclusive close-ratio five-speed manual transmission.

Fire the Si up, and it makes very familiar and comforting Honda four-pot sounds. It also has the Honda trademarks of smoothness and refinement when revved. But unlike the previous Civic Si, the engine does little to inspire the driver. Redline is set at an un-Honda-like 6,800 rpm, and, on the road, the Civic feels merely adequate in terms of acceleration. Additionally, the high-rpm VTEC rush found on older Hondas and Acuras has been massaged out. Perhaps Honda listened to people who thought Integra GS-Rs and Civic Si coupes were too peaky. Around here, we dug those sweeping and frantic tach sweeps to eight grand; they gave the cars some personality.

Instrumented testing backed up this impression. Zero-to-60 mph took 8.1 seconds, the slowest of the three cars and 0.6 seconds off the Focus's time. The quarter-mile time of 16.1 seconds at 86.8 mph was also off the pace. If there's a bright spot for the powertrain, it's likely the transmission. Thanks to a rally-style shifter mounted on the dash and a smooth-acting clutch, drivers can crack off impressively quick shifts.

On the highway, the transmission's short gearing has the engine spinning rapidly (4,000 rpm at 80 mph), but the cabin is still pretty quiet. This helps to make the Si a comfortable cruising machine. The suspension, consisting of the front MacPherson struts and rear double wishbones, soaks up road hazards nicely even though it's considerably more sport-oriented than a regular Civic suspension.

The cabin is clean and attractive with generally easy-to-use controls and high-quality materials. Thanks to the metallic-looking instrument panel, large white-faced gauges and orange nighttime illumination, the look is quite modern. The front seats, similar in design to the seats in the old Acura Integra Type R, are firmly bolstered to hold occupants tight during hard cornering. They don't offer much adjustment, however, and one driver complained that in order to sit close enough to the dash to operate the radio, his legs were scrunched up uncomfortably in the footwell.

Build quality on our test car was excellent, and there was not a rattle or squeak to be heard. Accessing the comfortable rear seat is easy thanks to a sliding passenger seat, and there's enough headroom and legroom provided to keep two adults relatively content. With the rear seats in place, the Civic can hold 15.7 cubic feet of cargo, more than the New Beetle but less than the Focus.

Interesting? Sure, but we hope you're reading about this car to learn about its sporting potential, not its ability to swallow baby strollers and Coke cans. Driven on curvy canyon roads, the Civic Si glides about, generally unconcerned with the pavement below. Going from corner to corner, the car has a solid and neutral feel, a result of the stiff body structure and idealized suspension tuning. The car is easy to drive fast, and the electrical-assist steering is light to the touch and easy to wield (though it doesn't provide much information as to what's going on with the front tires' grip).

Because of the competent suspension and smooth drivetrain, it's hard to do anything wrong in this car. The same holds true on the racetrack; pushing the car to its limits brings out no surprises. But compared to the SVT Focus, the Si is not as sharp, direct or involving. The tires, modestly sized 195/60VR15s, are certainly a liability here, and wider rubber would help to improve maximum grip. The car's lap times were consistently behind the Ford's and about equal to the New Beetle's. Braking, too, is soft with a 60-to-0 mph stopping distance of 129 feet, 11 more than the Focus. One editor summed up his track experience with the Si thusly: "Blah."

Of the five categories that we use to score our comparison tests, the Civic didn't win one. It came in second place for the final scoring, though this is almost by default: The New Beetle is playing toward a different crowd. The Civic and SVT Focus should attract the same buyers. Pitting the two against each other, the Civic goes down, K.O.'d by the third round.

For Honda, we offer the following Civic Si version 5.1 patch: Offer it in black only, give the car the 200-hp RSX Type-S engine, install the European Type R body kit and bolt on some slick 17-inch wheels. Call it the Civic SiR. Have a nice day. We anxiously await the update.

SECOND OPINIONS

Senior Editor Christian Wardlaw says:
Honda has ensured high resale values for the 1999-2000 Honda Civic Si Coupe with the release of this uninspiring 2002 Civic Si Hatchback.

Where has the traditional Honda low-cowl dash design gone? I feel like I'm sitting on the floor of this car, struggling to see out. Where is that light and lithe feel I've come to associate with Hondas? This hot hatch feels pudgy and lethargic. Where is the usually clean Honda ergonomic design? The stereo is littered with tiny buttons, and the cruise activation switch is buried behind the wheel spokes and turn signal stalk. Additionally, the wingback sport seats are not terribly comfortable, pinching my shoulders the way they do.

Mechanically, the Civic is the most refined of our group, but I miss that added zing and burst of energy exhibited by the old original-flavor VTEC system, whose action and response wasn't as linear as what is found on this new iteration but was vastly more entertaining.

Styling? The new Civic Si most resembles a doorstop

DJQuikFingaz
08-14-2002, 05:29 PM
What's your point?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Edit: Can somebody please sum this up in like 3 sentences? I'm not waisting my time reading all that.

SpeedRacer
08-14-2002, 05:32 PM
that is one fuct up review damn. That is kinda funny because i smoke a SVT just the other night anyways yea i wish he had a higher redline but other than that in my opinion the car kicks ass and i hope nobody buys it so i can have a more unique car.

Glix
08-14-2002, 05:39 PM
My point? I don't know, maybe I'm getting sick and tired of reading reviews of my car that suck. Maybe I'm a little pissed off that everyone thinks a ford focus is a better purchase. Perhaps I'm kicking myself for being so stupid as to believe everything will be alright just because it's a honda. I don't know, maybe the legacy is over or maybe i just need to stop reading reviews of my car.

Rolling your eyes at me and saying what's my point means your in denial of the situation. Reviews like these are what determine resale values on cars. The car's TMV is already well below what I payed for it so I've lost lots of money on this purchase, well over $2000 dollars that I will never recoupe. I made money on my 1999 EX coupe, I'll never make money on this car.

So yah that 's my point.

SpeedRacer
08-14-2002, 05:43 PM
im sorry you feal this way about your car you never should of bought it as for me i am more than happy about my car and it is worth more money to me then i paid for it so iguess it sucks for you. sorry.

DJQuikFingaz
08-14-2002, 05:52 PM
Seeing as your feeling that way. Instead of kicking yourself for buying the car, maybe you should just kick yourself the hell on outta here.

Edit: Either that or JUST STOP BITCHING!

civic hatch boi
08-14-2002, 05:53 PM
Glix, why do you care what reviewers think? as long as you like it, that's it.

Az02Si
08-14-2002, 05:55 PM
let those tools go find an unmolested 99-00 so i can spank that thing back to where it came from.I LOVE the 99-00,but come on,these guys have to realize that these are two totally different cars;the 02 dosent have the weaknesses the 99-00 had.And personally i love how mine looks.

DJQuikFingaz
08-14-2002, 05:56 PM
Rolling your eyes at me and saying what's my point means your in denial of the situation.

Denial of what situation? Hatch Boi pretty much summed it up. You shouldn't even care what a reviewer thinks.

Glix
08-14-2002, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by DJQuikFingaz
Seeing as your feeling that way. Instead of kicking yourself for buying the car, maybe you should just kick yourself the hell on outta here.

Edit: Either that or JUST STOP BITCHING!

What because I posted something you don't like I have to either shut it or leave? Grow up dude, this is a forum it's supposed to be about discussion.

I don't know what communist country your from.

SpeedRacer
08-14-2002, 06:07 PM
glix your dumb for buying a car you dont like i love the car and that is why i bought it no matter what anybody says i will love it so maybe you should go trade your car in for a ford and join thare forum instead of bringing your negative shit here

we dont come in here telling you how much of a slut your mom is because it wont make a diffrnce if you love her you love her and she is the perfect mother for you even though she is a slut

DJQuikFingaz
08-14-2002, 06:16 PM
glix your dumb
Agreed. Go join ClubSi or something.

HEY, I just realized....
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Spidey
08-14-2002, 06:20 PM
fyi, that came from edmunds.com

SpeedRacer
08-14-2002, 06:21 PM
fyi. I dont care

DJQuikFingaz
08-14-2002, 06:22 PM
Me neither.....either.....WHATEVER IT IS!!! I don't care also.

Glix
08-14-2002, 06:48 PM
Did I piss in your cheerios scooby doo? I didn't write the article numb nuts, nor did I ever say that I agree with it. I don't know wtf kind of eye sight you have but you best get to the eye doctor STAT. You think I'm on some twisted agenda to trash your EP but that was never the case. I posted that article looking for input on what people really think. I spoke my peace because it's my right, I never said I didn't like the car. But, I refuse to be in denial of what it is lacking. I'm not going to put it up on some damn throne and overlook it's weakness.

SpeedRacer
08-14-2002, 06:51 PM
well in that case i cum in you eye

DJQuikFingaz
08-14-2002, 07:04 PM
well in that case i cum in you eye
BWHAHAHA

IceD out N CALI
08-14-2002, 07:11 PM
Glix: sorry you're dissapointed. I love my car I dont really care about reviews. Half the time when I want to check out a new movie- the reviewers bad mouth it... so no need to worry you'll live.:) :)

m0ns00n
08-14-2002, 07:20 PM
I read alot about the Si before deciding to purchase it, including that 2+ month old review.

I actually found some interesting info that shows a very strong correllation between *certain* publications (including the one you quoted) and their advertisers. Woo nothing new here eh ?

But at the end of the day, you're right. If reading bad reviews of a car you bought because (I'm assuming) you took it for a drive and liked it enough to buy it... you should probably save yourself the grief and not read 'em anymore.

Amoung other things, I'm very happy that I don't have to worry about the gas tank exploding (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1523086.stm)
, or my car driving itself. (http://www.bonforums.com/recalls/focus_svtthrottle.htm)

Until western car manufacturers stop building vehicles like bad software my buying decisions won't even begin to consider them.

http://www.bonforums.com/recalls/focus_svtthrottle2.jpg

John Coletti, Director, Ford Special Vehicle Engineering gives an enthusiastic two thumbs up for the 2002 Ford SVT Focus February 7, 2001 in a press briefing at the Chicago Auto Show. Ford Photo.

Burgh
08-14-2002, 07:29 PM
It's just one guy's opinion, just remember that.

Some of the "lows" that were consistently listed in magazines for the old Si were :
- lackof torque down low, engine too peaky
- uninspiring interior
- unsupportive seats
- Si's have always been hatchbacks, what's with the coupe that looks like every other civic?

Hmmm... seems to me like Honda fixed all those things with the new Si. People will always bitch about what they don't get. I can't believe this guy was saying something negative about the seats! If they had the regular civic seats, you KNOW he would've been bitching about not enough support.

K20NutBucket
08-14-2002, 07:33 PM
Heres the way I look at it: It takes VW to come out with a turbo to run with Hondas N/A (natrual aspirated), It takes Ford to call on SVT to help run with SI's, GSR's and type-r's something Honda/Acura has been dominating for years. Apparently Honda/acura dosnt need help, if we did we have mugen over here kicking everyones a$$. Everyone is entitled to an opinion this is mine. Also think about Honda is changing with the times, new body styles, new engines. Some people like to compare apples to oranges......if you know what i mean.;)

Scorpion
08-14-2002, 07:54 PM
I see your point man, I too am a little disappointed with the really bad reviews on the car. Why, like you said, that has an effect on the resale of the car. Not that I want to get rid of it tomorrow, but if something where to come up and I had to get rid of it, then hell ya I'm worried about resale. Some people are so blind to the way things really happen. They love there car and get up tight when people bash it. Here is a great example of what may happen with the EP. Take a look at the Eclipse. 2G eclipses are big with the aftermarket/street racers, they have turbos, are easy to mod and can make some serious power, just like the older SI. Mitsu desided that with the 3G that they wanted to hit a bigger market by refining the car, gave it a v6 and made it a little more conseritive, just like Honda has done with the SI. What happens? Look at the resale for the Elipse right now and you'll see that the 3G is taking a huge hit...why, cause people that really want to buy a sports car don't care about refinement, they want power and excitement. Oh yeah and you'll always have the people that say the old car is better, just because they can't afford the new one :D

02blksi
08-14-2002, 08:01 PM
hey its to bad you dont see the potential in this car, coming from someone like myself i think i have a keen eye for a "tuner" car, and this new civic platform WILL be just that! I laugh out loud at people who hate, magazine articles written by 50 year old mid life crisis i havent gotten any in 30 years gentleman who have nothing better to do than reminis about the"good ole days" when v8's ruled the earth. Of course they find fault in the shape, the style, the engine, god even the fucking seats, this car was NOT geared toward the mid life crisis crowd it was for the younger gen those who dont need viagra to get there freak on. Shit let me write a freikin article and ill give them a 100 reasons why this body style and engine/strut platform is 10 fold better than the 99-00. These magazine editors are starting to sound like the avergae ricer who only associates fast cars with the rev me to high hell VtEc Yooo! I like my si, i enjoy the "minivan" looks A ctr kit and some nice ctr rims ill be golden, the power plant is just fine for me mijamidim (sorry if i killed the name) is already in the 13's with a freikin 60 shot! i mean damn V8's (mustangs, camaros, etc) run the same, handling -shit slap some lower profile wider tires on your stock rims and you let me know how it handles i already know LIKE a DREAM !! Ill end my rant with this, IF you are a follower the new 02 SI is NOT FOR YOU! If you are a leader then you will already have a SI.. --its your choice and thats the way i see things -- joe , who is a leader!

BoricuaSi
08-14-2002, 08:08 PM
The car's TMV is already well below what I payed for it so I've lost lots of money on this purchase, well over $2000 dollars that I will never recoupe. I made money on my 1999 EX coupe, I'll never make money on this car.

So yah that 's my point. [/B]

...and You think the resale value on a focus would be better?

HondaMan
08-14-2002, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by m0ns00n
I read alot about the Si before deciding to purchase it, including that 2+ month old review.

I actually found some interesting info that shows a very strong correllation between *certain* publications (including the one you quoted) and their advertisers. Woo nothing new here eh ?

But at the end of the day, you're right. If reading bad reviews of a car you bought because (I'm assuming) you took it for a drive and liked it enough to buy it... you should probably save yourself the grief and not read 'em anymore.

Amoung other things, I'm very happy that I don't have to worry about the gas tank exploding (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1523086.stm)
, or my car driving itself. (http://www.bonforums.com/recalls/focus_svtthrottle.htm)

Until western car manufacturers stop building vehicles like bad software my buying decisions won't even begin to consider them.

http://www.bonforums.com/recalls/focus_svtthrottle2.jpg

John Coletti, Director, Ford Special Vehicle Engineering gives an enthusiastic two thumbs up for the 2002 Ford SVT Focus February 7, 2001 in a press briefing at the Chicago Auto Show. Ford Photo.

I agree! BTW, interesting articles...

MPgrunt81
08-14-2002, 08:12 PM
Being that I just totaled my car and should be buying an EP in a week or less resale value concerned me for a minute to. Then I remembered Ford resale value. Almost enough to put a down payment on a bottle of coke. So I'll still go honda. As far as the beetle turbo... IF I EVER HEAR SOMEONE BASH THE !@#$%^ EPs LOOKS AGAIN WHILE PRAISING A BEETLES I"M GOING TO SHOOT THEM OR MYSELF. Seriously... If looks where a factor who on earth would buy a beetle... Hippie chicks maybe. NEVER EVER MENTION THE BEETLE AND THE EP IN THE SAME SENTENCE AGAIN.

P.S. thanks for convincing me that I made the right decision in buying an EP.

02blksi
08-14-2002, 08:25 PM
MP glad to see you are happy with what you have decided, and even more glad that you chose the SI -- joe :)

HondaMan
08-14-2002, 08:27 PM
Yep, also remember the EP is a Honda they always have good resale value. :)

02blksi
08-14-2002, 08:34 PM
very very true!!!!

!@#$%
08-14-2002, 08:37 PM
beetle....ewwww, whenever I hear the word Ford Focus....The word "RECALL" immediately comes to mind. EP rules, I dont own one but would sure love to.

VegasEP
08-14-2002, 08:37 PM
This is a pretty familiar argument for me. I remember back in 96 when the EK's came out everyone said they were ugly pieces of shit and now everybody thinks it's the best body style. And we all have seen what has been done to EK's in only 6 years time. All I got to say is take everything with a grain of salt and enjoy your EP's becuase soon enough there will be another debate over which is the best hatchback of all time on all kinds of Honda Forums. And am I worried about a Focus SVT or a Beetle?! Pssshhhh, who gives a shit. To each their own. I love my EP no matter what any magazine review may say. That was from SCC correct? F*ck em, that magazine fell of the map a long time ago. Well just had to throw my .02 in. FLAME ON, lol

Chris

MagusDC5
08-14-2002, 08:50 PM
I remember back in 96 when the EK's came out everyone said they were ugly pieces of shit and now everybody thinks it's the best body style.

that could be debated...the general consensus ive seen is the eg is said to be the best.

slowcivic4now
08-14-2002, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by VegasEP
This is a pretty familiar argument for me. I remember back in 96 when the EK's came out everyone said they were ugly pieces of shit and now everybody thinks it's the best body style. And we all have seen what has been done to EK's in only 6 years time. All I got to say is take everything with a grain of salt and enjoy your EP's becuase soon enough there will be another debate over which is the best hatchback of all time on all kinds of Honda Forums. And am I worried about a Focus SVT or a Beetle?! Pssshhhh, who gives a shit. To each their own. I love my EP no matter what any magazine review may say. That was from SCC correct? F*ck em, that magazine fell of the map a long time ago. Well just had to throw my .02 in. FLAME ON, lol

Chris

No, that's an article from Edmunds. Funny thing is Brent Romans wrote that article. He used to work for Super Street and I thought those folks were Honda fanatics. I guess those Edmunds peeps brainwashed him, seeing how someone from Edmunds also bashed the 2003 Accord.:D And yes, this IS the best Civic Honda has ever given to the U.S. Best interior/build quality/performance/most rounded. Yes I do think it's a better car than the EM1 Si.

civic hatch boi
08-14-2002, 09:10 PM
EG?? ewwww... they're ugly... in japan, Ek's are the best :) and i only care what the japanese think cuz they create these lovely beasts...

2k2civicSi
08-14-2002, 09:54 PM
i love my is but it makes me sad people cant see it how i see it
its looks alsome and drives amazing

DownTheHatch
08-14-2002, 10:06 PM
Those are the stupidest reviews ever. They don't like the style, the color or the lack of sudden rush of vtec.

Good lord, why would you only want access to your power at 6k when ALMIGHTY VTEC KICKS IN. I prefer this super wide powerband we have, its can be put to much more use than the older vtec, if i-vtec wasn't an improvement over vtec, why would Honda have incorporated it in to the new Type-R?

They don't like the european styling, or the yellow color, those sound like personal opinions to me, I say they keep those to themselves. Look at the car for what it is.

DON'T COMPARE IT TO OTHER CARS.

If the Ford Focus and Honda Oddessy didn't exist...how would you look at the car? You would see the car for what it is! What I think is so nice about this car is the fact that it's different, its has absolutely no relation to its other honda family members, all the hatchbacks before it shared the front end with the coupe/sedan models of the civic, this car is unique in every way, it's the first honda with a dash mounted shifter.

Obviously the engine could have more horsepower, but is that any surprise? Everything from overseas is de-tuned for America, we should be glad we even get to see this hatchback.

And to end my comments, isn't it better that the civic is detuned for America? I know I know, you're probably saying "DTH is nuts", but honestly, its better that we don't get the Type-R here with it's body kit and powerfully peaked engine, and 17" wheels etc etc

Know why its better? Because the Si is a canvas, we are to fill in the blanks, we can do anything we want to our Si's, even put Type-R parts on them to make them stand out and be different.

If we got everything as is from Japan/Europe, JDM wouldn't be a household name, nor a craze, we wouldn't import JDM parts to customize our hatchbacks, basically...our cars would come modified from the factory.

Glix
08-14-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by 02blksi
hey its to bad you dont see the potential in this car, coming from someone like myself i think i have a keen eye for a "tuner" car, and this new civic platform WILL be just that! I laugh out loud at people who hate, magazine articles written by 50 year old mid life crisis i havent gotten any in 30 years gentleman who have nothing better to do than reminis about the"good ole days" when v8's ruled the earth. Of course they find fault in the shape, the style, the engine, god even the fucking seats, this car was NOT geared toward the mid life crisis crowd it was for the younger gen those who dont need viagra to get there freak on. Shit let me write a freikin article and ill give them a 100 reasons why this body style and engine/strut platform is 10 fold better than the 99-00. These magazine editors are starting to sound like the avergae ricer who only associates fast cars with the rev me to high hell VtEc Yooo! I like my si, i enjoy the "minivan" looks A ctr kit and some nice ctr rims ill be golden, the power plant is just fine for me mijamidim (sorry if i killed the name) is already in the 13's with a freikin 60 shot! i mean damn V8's (mustangs, camaros, etc) run the same, handling -shit slap some lower profile wider tires on your stock rims and you let me know how it handles i already know LIKE a DREAM !! Ill end my rant with this, IF you are a follower the new 02 SI is NOT FOR YOU! If you are a leader then you will already have a SI.. --its your choice and thats the way i see things -- joe , who is a leader!



He's not running 13's, you need to go back and re read that post.

Glix
08-14-2002, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by BoricuaSi


...and You think the resale value on a focus would be better?

Arg, stop reading into what isn't there. I never said anything about buying a damn ford. I never even said I liked the damn focus. Stop putting opinions in my mouth. The article was posted to open up debate, to get peoples feelings on it. I was looking for a reaction, I wanted to know where your heart is at. Instead what I got was fuck you jerk get out of our site, your mom's a slut and cum in your eye.

One of the best reasons to buy a honda is resale value. Honda's are the ONLY vehicle out there that appreciates. Do you know what that means? It means if you take really good care of your honda you can actually MAKE money off owning it. I made $1800 above what I payed on a 3 year old 99 EX coupe that I personally put 38,000 miles on. It's one of the main reasons I buy honda.

02blksi
08-14-2002, 10:15 PM
actually. i believe he ran a 14.0 @ 97mph (im sure you will correct me if im wrong:rolleyes: ) and since in his thread (READ IT) we already went over his 2.3 60ft (very BAD) on slicks and how with that trap he is mid 13's already. So if it makes you happy and that was the only thing you got out of my write up, then yes i jumped the gun i gave credit were it wasnt earned. --SHOOT ME! joe, who wonders why some people bother posting insignificant shit ?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

BTW -- stop f*cking whining about your si, you dont like it sell it get a frieken fukus and quite yer bitchin....

SpeedRacer
08-14-2002, 10:19 PM
no you go back and read the post he is in the 13's he got a 14.0?? after putting on the breaks ok im sure that scewed his time up more than .1?? anyways he is in the 13's if he ran again the timeslip didnt say 13 because he had to break but he is in the 13's

Glix
08-14-2002, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by 02blksi
actually. i believe he ran a 14.0 @ 97mph (im sure you will correct me if im wrong:rolleyes: ) and since in his thread (READ IT) we already went over his 2.3 60ft (very BAD) on slicks and how with that trap he is mid 13's already. So if it makes you happy and that was the only thing you got out of my write up, then yes i jumped the gun i gave credit were it wasnt earned. --SHOOT ME! joe, who wonders why some people bother posting insignificant shit ?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

BTW -- stop f*cking whining about your si, you dont like it sell it get a frieken fukus and quite yer bitchin....


Dude your an idiot, 14's aren't impressive, automatic altima's run 14's. I'd love for you to talk that way to me in person.

02blksi
08-14-2002, 10:23 PM
*** thanks speedracer****--joe

Glix
08-14-2002, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by SpeedRacer
no you go back and read the post he is in the 13's he got a 14.0?? after putting on the breaks ok im sure that scewed his time up more than .1?? anyways he is in the 13's if he ran again the timeslip didnt say 13 because he had to break but he is in the 13's

No he isn't go get your eyes checked and learn how to read.

02blksi
08-14-2002, 10:25 PM
glix - you really need to calm down, i let you in on a little secret YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME! and BTW read my sig i know whats fast and whats not ! you need proof just ask ill be glad to make you look more foolish than you already do Mr. Internet badass... --joe :D

DJQuikFingaz
08-14-2002, 10:39 PM
****Glix****

Please shutup, because...

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02blksi
08-14-2002, 10:46 PM
**** raises hand and agrees with my fellow photochopping guru quickfingaz**** all in favor .............. agreed GLIX is a fucktard LOL --joe