13 with Cybernation Stage 1? naw..for real?

[furious]

from what I have read...it appears that there is a Cybernation Stage 1 EP that can hang with an Evo?....no shit? I mean, granted there may be 'minor' mods made such as CAI, midpipe, etc...

BUT, Stage 1 right into the power needed for 1/4 with an Evo??

Please explain cause the +85hp would only bring (160+85) to a 245hp and please do explain cause I have NO IDEA what a quality Turbo can do for our EPs...

Thanks in advance:)

[ssvr6]

Well, I gained about 120hp with a dyno'd 262. That's about 301 crank hp. That's 30 more than an EVO VIII and the same as an STI.

(This is considering a 13% loss from the drivetrain.)

Steve

[furious]

Originally posted by ssvr6
Well, I gained about 120hp with a dyno'd 262. That's about 301 crank hp. That's 30 more than an EVO VIII and the same as an STI.

(This is considering a 13% loss from the drivetrain.)

Steve

:eek:

So, theoretically, would I have a prayer to running along side an Evo on a 1/4 if I installed just a Cybernation Stage 1 and maybe Injen CAI?

[Jpax]

theres a great review in k-series.com (http://www.k-series.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=215)

I would go cybernation :eek: Thats if it wasn't so dam expesive;)

[ssvr6]

You can't run a CAI with a turbo, there's no room for the piping since the intercooler piping is in the way.


Steve

[Dunrick]

Originally posted by furious


:eek:

So, theoretically, would I have a prayer to running along side an Evo on a 1/4 if I installed just a Cybernation Stage 1 and maybe Injen CAI?


On the freeway you could kill one --- but they own you on the course until more suspension stuff comes out and will outlaunch on you in the streets if you street race. Part of the reason they have nice 1/4 times is the fact they can rip out of the hole so quick. (awd launches)

[Steve02Si]

Originally posted by ssvr6
Well, I gained about 120hp with a dyno'd 262. That's about 301 crank hp. That's 30 more than an EVO VIII and the same as an STI.

(This is considering a 13% loss from the drivetrain.)

Steve

EVOs are very underrated. They typically dyno 240-250 at the wheels on an AWD dynojet, which translates to about 300 crank.

http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO8_STG1_VS_STK_LG.jpg

[dw735]

hey steve i was thinking since there was no room for a cai, ima go with a custom hood scoop. now that will look tight on our cars.

[ssvr6]

Why? So you could dump water all over your engine bay? A better solution would be a "cowl" induction type hood that forces air down the back of the engine between it and the firewall. That would help with the heat of the turbo.

The intercooler will take care of the rest.


I'm looking for the water injection kit off of a wrecked EVO for the IC on my car. That would be great.


Steve

[Si_til_i_die]

cybernations is without doubt the best turbo out right now, but is very pricey... I think Greddy has a kit but it's kind of sorry.. No intercooler or BOV... When I turbo, I plan on Cybernations stage II so I can get the upgraded pistons... is mucho dinero though.:(

[Steve02Si]

Originally posted by ssvr6
I'm looking for the water injection kit off of a wrecked EVO for the IC on my car. That would be great.


To clarify, EVOs dont have water injection but rather an intercooler sprayer. HUGE difference. Might wanna check out something like this:

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/productdisplay.php?sku=5183&hdwt=31101&loc=101&dealer=

[ssvr6]

You're right. I knew that but chose the wrong words. I'd rather have the evo kit since I value the space in my hatch and hate having to spend $ on N2O.


Steve

[Steve02Si]

We made a sprayer using the stock wiper squirter bottle on an Eclipse. We were running the stock IC and wanted to reduce heat soak. It worked ok, but due to the fact that the IC is in front of the tire, it was dripping and causing wheelspin (FWD car). If you try that, find a nozzle with a fine misting spray.

[ssvr6]

I found one. Then I'm going to hook it up to a micro switch (turned on by an activation switch, like nitrous). Then I can either spray it at WOT or just turn it on like the EVO.

Steve

[tony speed]

Originally posted by ssvr6
You can't run a CAI with a turbo, there's no room for the piping since the intercooler piping is in the way.


Steve

Here's my off the wall solution. I've seen some people sell flexible piping that can be used for the intake. It looks like the tubes they run A/C through in homes and buildings. Couldn't you wind that thing around your engine bay wherever it fit until you had a CAI?

[ssvr6]

You could, but the intercooler cools the charged air from the turbo anyway. It doesn't matter. (not really)


Steve

[Si_til_i_die]

Originally posted by Steve02Si
We made a sprayer using the stock wiper squirter bottle on an Eclipse. We were running the stock IC and wanted to reduce heat soak. It worked ok, but due to the fact that the IC is in front of the tire, it was dripping and causing wheelspin (FWD car). If you try that, find a nozzle with a fine misting spray.


What is exactly are you spraying? I'm lost .. someone please explain... is this only for a turbo app or NA?

[ssvr6]

The wiper fluid resevoir was emptied and filled with water. They routed the windshield squirter to the intercooler of the car and sprayed water on the intercooler with the washer sprayer.

This is for a turbo'd car. It cools off the IC and the air coming into it.

Steve

[STP03BlueSI]

MMM turbo in a ep..nice:D

[Si_til_i_die]

Ahhh... that sounds like a good idea.. I've never heard of that before... hmmm... good thinking:cool:

[DetroitRiot]

and then the link someone sent (sorry forgot who) they spray nitrous or co2 which are both extremly cold.

[tony speed]

hehehe....if you could reroute your A/C to cool your intercooler....:)

[DetroitRiot]

or instead of an intercooler, you could have the turbo compress the air straight out of the AC!

[tony speed]

Originally posted by DetroitRiot
or instead of an intercooler, you could have the turbo compress the air straight out of the AC!

Ford

[DetroitRiot]

they stole my idea!

[Steve02Si]

there is an intercooler system that uses the air conditioner to cool the air charge. I'll try to find a link. biggest setback is that you put additional load on the engine to run the AC, not to mention you'd be spinning the compressor up to redline which isnt good for it. alot of new cars actually cut off the AC at WOT or a certain RPM.

[hamproof]

Originally posted by ssvr6
A better solution would be a "cowl" induction type hood that forces air down the back of the engine between it and the firewall. That would help with the heat of the turbo.


I remember seeing a cowl induction type intake posted by someone in UK awhile back. Anyone has the link handy?

[Steve02Si]

http://www.designengineering.com/products.html

alot of cool stuff to try... fuel line cooler, heat wrap (could wrap IC piping, turbo...), and the intake would be interesting for an NA car.... throw it on the stock airbox even. could even line the inside of the stock box with thermal barrier too.... hmm...

[VBSI]

ssvr6-did you post pics of the turbo install? I can't remember, but I would like to see it.

[DetroitRiot]

do you have the link to the cybernation site?

[andy]

Cybernation Home Page (http://www.cybernationmotorsports.com/)

I think Steve put up pics on here (check the "Boost" forum
within the Engine forums), but I know they should be on
k-series.com, as well. I can't wait until he gets that thing on
the track...should be very interesting.

Here's a quick comparo:
Weight Dyno (hp/lb ft.) 1/4mi.
Srt4 ~2870lb 215/240 13.8-14.1
Mach1 ~3500lb 286/305 13.57
Si ~2740lb 260/200 ???

I'm basing this off very rough estimates I found online, and
without knowing how much the turbo kit weighs. But I've got
to believe anyone with the Cybernation kit is looking at high
13s-low 14s, depending on track conditions, tires, etc. But who
knows?
(Those times/numbers above were stock cars)

[zerofighter]

we should ask IOWNAMAXIMA. IT seem like he knows everything:D :D

[Dunrick]

The si is 2740 lb stock

not 2900

try www.honda.com next time for correct specs on the car

[andy]

Originally posted by Dunrick
The si is 2740 lb stock

not 2900

try www.honda.com next time for correct specs on the car

I found that weight from honda.com (actually, I saw 2740 on
yahoo autos) but I'm "guessing" that the front mount and
exhaust and what not add some weight. You're right, though,
even what I have is probably a gross overestimation.