Look for changes in the 2004 Si [Archive]

XLR8B4U

06-26-2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by tony speed
i'm looking at the mini pic they have of it. it seems to have side skirts and different bumpers, as well as different wheels.

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU???

You know better than say something like that and not post the picture...

MODERATOR BAN THIS GUY :D :D ;)

Cmon take a pic with digi cam or something and show us.

Craig

blueiedgod

06-26-2003, 10:36 AM

Things I would like.
1) An extra cog - 60 mile commute is really killing my gas mileage. A 6th gear would let me drive 70 at 2500 RPM, thus bringing my MPG's to a Civic respectable mid 30's
2) Height adjustable seats, with adjustable seat coushion.
3) Position memory for both front seats.
4) Self dimming mirrors - one on the way already :-)
5) Better brakes -- mine are already starting to shimmy.
6) Of course more torque/HP never hurts.

furious

06-26-2003, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by tony speed
i'm looking at the mini pic they have of it. it seems to have side skirts and different bumpers, as well as different wheels.

are you talking about this

http://www.collegehillshonda.com/funstuff/funart/typerred_small.jpg

if so, properties on the file is named "Type R Red"...of course then it would have the skirts and diff bumper...and wheels...

2K2SSM

06-26-2003, 10:57 AM

Ha! I just found that tiny ass pic too! Googled it up. :p

Here's the description they had beside it.

2004 Honda Civic Si
October Arrival
Freshened restyling and amenity upgrades. No color changes.

New 2004 Accessories: New Fog Light Kit, New Splash Guards, New Car Cover.

Whoopidy doooo!

hamproof

06-26-2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by idrive
ionno am i missing something?
what do you guys mean by climate control?
dont we have that? it turns on/off... knob for hot or cold?
what more can there be?

What we have is a manual A/C system. You have to set the mode (face, foot, defrost or combo), fan speed and hot/cold.

Climate control (Auto A/C) means you set the temperature and the system figures out the best way to maintain that temperature OR you set the temperature and mode, and the system will maintain the tempt. for you.

The Si A/C works pretty good. Pre 2001 I think uses sliders. You can never get the right fan speed or tempt. using those unlike the rotary knobs we have in our car now.

hamproof

06-26-2003, 11:01 AM

Shouldn't the Si be a 2 year run? Last Si ran from 99 to 00. Why do we have the 04 now?

furious

06-26-2003, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by hamproof
Shouldn't the Si be a 2 year run? Last Si ran from 99 to 00. Why do we have the 04 now?

I'm skeptical of an 04.

In case peeps didn't catch my last comment though, the pic is of a Type R....not the 04 Si (if there is one), and I hope it doesn't as I currently like the oddity

!@#$%

06-26-2003, 11:05 AM

watch them up the displacement to 2.3L like it says on the site.

Honda: "......um no that is not a type-o. We here at Honda do not make mistakes." :rolleyes:

IceD out N CALI

06-26-2003, 11:10 AM

guess we'll jus have to wait and see if anything happens

Civicvtec1ps

06-26-2003, 11:13 AM

if 04 come with k20a2. i be flipping

IceD out N CALI

06-26-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Civicvtec1ps
if 04 come with k20a2. i be flipping

hahaha, i know huh

!@#$%

06-26-2003, 11:21 AM

if they give it the a2, Honda better offer previous a3 owners an option of an a2 swap at a lower price. I don't see that happening.

IceD out N CALI

06-26-2003, 11:23 AM

i dont see that happening either. if anything just a little mid generation restyling, nothing big like sheetmetal changes or anything

PogoFX

06-26-2003, 12:04 PM

"fresh restyling" and added "ammenities" = more weight on an already chunky car. Not interested, unless "A2" appears in the engine type.

BlasTech

06-26-2003, 12:10 PM

Honda could offer their own special ecu reflash and charge a few hundred bucks.

Zero Three Si

06-26-2003, 12:23 PM

You guys lost yo damn mind.....even if they put a bigger engin in it....the price is gonna sky rocket....MSRP on our cars was 19.7k

If they bring the type r over here....its gonna MSRP for like 26....and they wouldnt do that cuz they would have to discontinue the S2000.

If anything they will add better wipers, better tires and a different color.

civic hatch boi

06-26-2003, 12:30 PM

furious

06-26-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Zero Three Si
You guys lost yo damn mind.....

OK, yes.

they would have to discontinue the S2000.

S2000 is a roadster, how would CTR compete from its market segment?

skooba

06-26-2003, 01:12 PM

hello there

Zero Three Si

06-26-2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by furious

OK, yes.

S2000 is a roadster, how would CTR compete from its market segment?

Similar price range....similar engins...

ssvr6

06-26-2003, 01:25 PM

If (and that's a big if) they brought the CTR over, it wouldn't be 26k. 22 to 23k is reasonable (as an MSRP).

As for removing the S2000...how? It's RWD, it's being upped to a S2200 (2.2L) and will have more power.

It's a 2 seater and the Si is a hatchback.

Either way, we're not getting the CTR and the S2k is here to stay.

Steve

2k3BlackSI

06-26-2003, 01:30 PM

Put a 200 BHP engine in the EP3..

No one will buy it because No parent is gonna anti up the insurance for a car that is sure to beat all STOLEN car records..

And the people that are able to buy it on their own will probably go a different direction..

Don't get me wrong.. I totally like the idea of having that motor in our cars but from what I hear from some peeps, insurance is a killer on this car already..

You put 200 ponies in it, in the U.S.A, and the insurance will be no less than 3k a year in ANY state..

I don't agree with that but I think it's the truth..

I think restyling means they are going to add a body kit to it and maybe some internals.. I would think a FULL on Climate Control system would sapp some HP out of the car anyhow.. I never really use AC.. Just don't like to untill I really need it..

I understand for those of you in Texas, Florida, Cali or Arizona/Nevada can't use plain AIR all the time but in Minnesota it's doable..

I expect the 2004 to get some nicer wheels and perhaps ground effects, maybe the Type r wing or Type R Body but not the coveted A2.....

tony speed

06-26-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by ssvr6
If (and that's a big if) they brought the CTR over, it wouldn't be 26k. 22 to 23k is reasonable (as an MSRP).

As for removing the S2000...how? It's RWD, it's being upped to a S2200 (2.2L) and will have more power.

It's a 2 seater and the Si is a hatchback.

Either way, we're not getting the CTR and the S2k is here to stay.

Steve

Yep....people don't buy enough japanese cars (especially performance japanese cars) to make bringing the CTR over profitable. It would just compete with the RSX-S. There are too many american car companies to compete with as well

BlasTech

06-26-2003, 01:38 PM

Maybe the FP kit will make its appearance.

1320_si

06-26-2003, 01:54 PM

The fourth and fifth door.:eek:

BlairSpeed

06-26-2003, 02:21 PM

I checked all over the internet and couldnt find a spy shot. Im sure its nothing special though....

02SilverSiHB

06-26-2003, 02:34 PM

come on guys. Honda thinks that adding a cd changer to the car is a big deal. I bet it's nothing that big of a deal. I bet 20 bucks I'm right.

snubnose

06-26-2003, 02:38 PM

A CD changer and maybe Canada's heated mirrors.

sniperSI

06-26-2003, 02:40 PM

Kiss our resale value bye bye.

Civicvtec1ps

06-26-2003, 02:43 PM

k20a2 wont happen ....
maybe honda will add foglights as standard.
or factory style bodykit and add 2000 from 19500 haha

02SilverSiHB

06-26-2003, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Civicvtec1ps
k20a2 wont happen ....
maybe honda will add foglights as standard.
or factory style bodykit and add 2000 from 19500 haha
haha :D

sniper...I don't think our resale will go down just because they have an 04. If they keep selling, that means people want them, whether they are new or old.

sniperSI

06-26-2003, 03:28 PM

If they restyle it and add more features/options it may cause the reasale of our car to go down.

sniperSI

06-26-2003, 03:29 PM

...maybe..

GOD i wish they would just stop producing after 2 years like every other SI.

CivicHB

06-26-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by sniperSI
...maybe..

GOD i wish they would just stop producing after 2 years like every other SI.

the EG Si ran from 92'-95'. The Si's before that ( 84'-87' 88'-91') also had four year runs...all hatchbacks no fackin trunk.

EP3_DC5

06-26-2003, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by 2k3BlackSI
Put a 200 BHP engine in the EP3..

No one will buy it because No parent is gonna anti up the insurance for a car that is sure to beat all STOLEN car records..

And the people that are able to buy it on their own will probably go a different direction..

Um, I don't think that this car will be stolen all THAT much. First of all it's a hard car to steal. Unless you get specific key made for THAT car. You can't really do much except for stick it on a flatbed. If what you are saying were true, the RSX-S would be one of the most stolen cars around.

EDIT: I hope they bring over the K20A2!!!!!!:D

NamingException

06-26-2003, 05:55 PM

My completely uneducated guess:

Very subtle body changes. Even though they will be subtle, half of the people on this board will think they look good but pretend they look terrible, and half of us (myself included) will think they look good and just be jealous. There is a slim chance that the changes look stupid though, and we'll all get a chance to make fun of everyone who buys one and it will make us feel better. This may or may not include rims.

Gauge cluster will be updated. It will look more modern but won't be all one color. All one color is cool, so I won't be upset.

No climate control. The knobs might be slightly rearranged though.

That's it. No CTR. No K20A2. Maybe not even a FP package.

Surprise

06-26-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by rick77f
I'll bet you won't see automatic climate control in a U.S. bound Civic EVER.

I will take you up on that bet! Go look at the Civic Hybrid.;)

http://www.hondacars.com/images/banners/2003/civic_hybrid/interior_gallery/photo_06_popup.jpg

I SELL HONDAS

06-26-2003, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by rick77f
Here is my guess:

1. added armrest with storage.
2. restyled instrument cluster.
3. maybe different wheels.

Honda usually does not stray far from its preceding lineup. I'll bet you won't see automatic climate control in a U.S. bound Civic EVER.

its already there! (climate control):o

Makross

06-26-2003, 10:20 PM

:eek: man if this 04 si is comin out with a type r kit imma go mad andi doubt itll be a k20a2 in there:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

crispytreat

06-27-2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Makross
:eek: man if this 04 si is comin out with a type r kit imma go mad andi doubt itll be a k20a2 in there:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
If the kit fits our cars that would be nice.

DownTheHatch

06-27-2003, 12:24 PM

My guess is that the 04 will have black housing headlights, and an FP body kit.

Team

06-27-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by DownTheHatch
My guess is that the 04 will have black housing headlights, and an FP body kit.

but had Honda said for sure that the 04 Si will be comming? or is this just dealer talk?

STP03BlueSI

06-27-2003, 12:50 PM

That would be crazy if they bring over the "type R"...hey maybe they will bring over the 20th anniversy...or is it the 30th?

Team

06-27-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by STP03BlueSI
That would be crazy if they bring over the "type R"...hey maybe they will bring over the 20th anniversy...or is it the 30th?

30th Anniversary

http://www.b-factory.com/htech/DSC00976.JPG

audomatik

06-27-2003, 01:03 PM

SniperSi... i think i see you on every post saying about the last SI only being around 2 years... every SI before that, including Preludes and CRXs have lasted for the intirety of their generation (minus the 5th gen prelude cause they got the SH name). But yeah, my Honda dealer guy said theyre gonna be back next year.

ep3guy

06-27-2003, 01:31 PM

My guess....

There will be very minor changes just like the 96-98/99-00 Civics and the 98-99/00-02 Accords. My guess is that the bumpers will have the holes on the sides, and the headlights might be shaped a little different. Some controls might be located in different spots inside the cabin.

VBSI

06-27-2003, 02:27 PM

I bet a slightly different grill will appear, and some different color setup on the tails. The engine will be the same.

BarracksSi

06-27-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by CivicHB

the EG Si ran from 92'-95'. The Si's before that ( 84'-87' 88'-91') also had four year runs...all hatchbacks no fackin trunk.

The 84-87 generation had a 1500 S for 84-85, and the Si for 86-87.

I kinda miss my 86 Si -- it's still running strong, though.

EPTree

06-27-2003, 06:58 PM

Bet my first-born child that whatever the changes are, they will be meaningless, like a cup holder somewhere stupid and some more super awesome fake aluminum interior pieces. :rolleyes:

CleanBlackSi02

06-27-2003, 07:07 PM

They need to make the FP wheels and suspension standard equipment. That's the only change they need to make to sell more Si's.

STP03BlueSI

06-27-2003, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Team

30th Anniversary

http://www.b-factory.com/htech/DSC00976.JPG

wow thanks! I had read in SCC about it and that was all.:D

02TafWhtSi

06-28-2003, 11:40 AM

Maybe smoked headlights as well...

chunky

06-28-2003, 12:43 PM

climate control would be nice.

but i don't use my a/c that often, and I kinda like that I have full control.

I doubt they're gonna give it a new motor.

new wheels & bodykit option are a definite possiblity.

as for why honda is even doing a 2004 run, I suspect that it has something to do with the fact that sales did not meet expectation the first year (early 2002 - early 2003), so they're adding another year to hit their expected sales number.

all this talk of new shit doesn't faze me at all. i've got an OG ep3, and they're only gonna get heavier from here on out (added amentities = added weight).

ep pilot

06-28-2003, 01:14 PM

I would almost be sure (Red) will be offered, as would the lower front aerodynamics possibly be revised.

The Taillamps might get an amber indicator or tranparent lenses like what we have seen familar on the most recent update to the Civic sedan's tails.

I you can also bet the Wheels & tires wheel be addressed, I think 17"s are out of the question, look how long it took Honda to include plus sized wheels on the Accord??? I mean the Maxima has had 17"s since 2k.......My point is that Honda always does what looks symetrical and to scale, For a Civic, 16" would be just right for it's size...

I would expect a subtle change in the interior fabric, I like the red & black in my car now, but feel it's passe if you will, I would like to see Honda black out the red hole in the headrest, offer a factory leather trim interior, and loose the mock alluminum dash trim for a darker smoke gray or mate black finish.

Mabey for '04 the Si will adopt the back-lit incandesent guages similar to what has been in place on the '03 Civic and something similar to the current Accord cluster. I think white faced guages are hot-looking, but too have become passe since have the industry has adopted this styling cue on non-sport oriented cars, like grand-caravans, SUV's , Ford escapes, almost everything Chrysler has white faced dials, i think Honda should drop the White dials entirely, or come up with a stainless or the F1 style pod seen on the original concept Ep.....

I have decided I don't like our little spoiler on the rear boot of our cars, it looks out-of place and isn't fluid with the rest of the lines, I think the hatch wing that the Ek's got and EG's looked 10X's better than the Ep's but I love the JDM Ep wing. I wouldn't be surprised if HID is standard as well.

-Ryan

02TafWhtSi

06-28-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by ep pilot
I wouldn't be surprised if HID is standard as well.

-Ryan

I'm not so sure about that. Honda doesn't even offer them on their top of the line Accords or Pilots :(

PogoFX

06-28-2003, 03:57 PM

Just remember this is Honda. Expect about as many and as radical of changes from 03 - 04 as there was from 02 -03. A lot of the speculation I see is wishful thinking based on our own pet peaves. It's always fun to wish though.:D

Jester

06-28-2003, 05:15 PM

type r kit wont happen either.
maybe something completely different (like ones shown at Car shows across the nation) or close to it but remember the reason we don't have the JDM/European front end in the first place.
DOT standards:'(

LordKoo

06-28-2003, 08:26 PM

type r kit wont happen either.

I disagree! With all the aftermarket taking advantage of the CTR kit, it is hard for Honda to sit by and let them has all the profits. It is HIGHLY possible that Honda managed to molify the CTR body kits to fit the USDM version EP3. After all, Honda is the OEM maker, they do know their shit better than any aftermarket body kits maker out there.

We shall see if the Honda's offers are indeed CTR style...

PogoFX

06-28-2003, 08:34 PM

Something else to keep in mind is cost. I would assume that Honda has figured out by now the the EP is a bit overpriced, i.e. slow sales. I really can't see them doing a lot of fancy upgrades. They'd want to keep the same profit margin. If they threw in some 17 inchers and a body kit, it would probably tack on another $2k to the car. Then we'd have a $21K + EP with no A2 motor. I think it would be hard for the average Joe to shell out that much for a 160hp car, even if it looked a little better than it does now. And once again, it would probably be slower than the 02-03 do to the added weight.

Just trying to think realistically about this, but I might be way off. Personally I'm still undecided if I really want Honda to make improvements or not. Improvements means stuff we could possibly upgrade to.:D But at the same time makes you just wish you had the new stuff stock.:'(

Jester

06-29-2003, 05:18 AM

This just in

Honda Canada

"Civic SIR 5-Speed Manual

trk

06-29-2003, 07:33 AM

mark my words:

1) body effects/alterations of some sort.

2) New rims but same tires.

Thats all.

cvl

06-29-2003, 08:16 AM

Big deal. A riced-out body kit and larger wheels that are certainly much heavier than what you'd get in the aftermarket. I feel much more comfortable about buying an 03 now. The only thing that I'd wait for is the K20A or A2 and a 6-speed.

Makross

06-29-2003, 12:23 PM

i really like the GFX :o i wouldnt mind gettin it

I SELL HONDAS

08-08-2003, 08:46 PM

2004 SI
1) NO COLOR CHANGES.
2) NEW HEADLIGHTS (LOOKS LIKE BLACK W/PROJECTORS)
3) NEW TAIL LIGHTS (CLEAR TOP THIRD SOLID RED BOTTOM THIRD)... PICTURE I HAVE IS BLACK AND WHITH DRAWING. I CANT TELL IF I LIKE THEM OR NOT.
4) 16" WHEELS NO PIX
5) SIDE SILL GARNISH. NO PIX, PROB GFX VERSION.
PRODUCTION NOVEMBER 10, 2003
RELEASE DATE MID-DECEMBER.
10,000 ESTIMATED UNITS...

CIVIC SEDAN 2004
15" WHEELS ON LX
KEYLESS ENTRY ON LX
EX SEDAN ALLOY WHEELS
FLOORMATS ON EX AND LX
NEW FRONT FACIA
NEW HEADLIGHTS
"ACCORD LIKE SPEAKERS ON ALL CIVICS"
MORE INSULATION IN DOORS TO REDUCE NOISE
ADD FIGI BLUE
ADD MAGNESIUM METALLIC

JLannoo

08-08-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by I SELL HONDAS
2004 SI
1) NO COLOR CHANGES.
2) NEW HEADLIGHTS (LOOKS LIKE BLACK W/PROJECTORS)
3) NEW TAIL LIGHTS (CLEAR TOP THIRD SOLID RED BOTTOM THIRD)... PICTURE I HAVE IS BLACK AND WHITH DRAWING. I CANT TELL IF I LIKE THEM OR NOT.
4) 16" WHEELS NO PIX
5) SIDE SILL GARNISH. NO PIX, PROB GFX VERSION.
PRODUCTION NOVEMBER 10, 2003
RELEASE DATE MID-DECEMBER.
10,000 ESTIMATED UNITS...

Scan that sheet and post it,even if your not allowed to...bend the rules for us :D

Jester

08-08-2003, 09:08 PM

post the pic dude!

Civicvtec1ps

08-08-2003, 09:09 PM

man if 04 si comes like that updated, i be pissed,
:(

I SELL HONDAS

08-08-2003, 09:11 PM

i HAVE NO SCANNER BUT ILL TRY TO TAKE A PIC:'(

Jester

08-08-2003, 09:12 PM

right on!

JLannoo

08-08-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by I SELL HONDAS
i HAVE NO SCANNER BUT ILL TRY TO TAKE A PIC:'(

blurry pic is cool, POST IT! :D

bobdobbs

08-08-2003, 09:33 PM

I can host your pic if you need.

02SilverSiHB

08-08-2003, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Civicvtec1ps
man if 04 si comes like that updated, i be pissed,
:(
why? doesn't sound like such a big deal really. not too me anyway.

JLannoo

08-08-2003, 10:23 PM

Here is the Headlight pic "I sell Hondas" sent me to post

Its big,I didnt take time to resize.

Looks pretty cool but I would miss the little lights (city lights?) up top in the corners on our '02-'03 Ep's.

http://home.comcast.net/~jalannoo/headlight.jpg

JLannoo

08-08-2003, 10:31 PM

Here is the tail light pic

http://home.comcast.net/~jalannoo/taillight.jpg

A mod can resize these and host if they think they are too big....I'm too lazy right now LOL :)

Civicvtec1ps

08-08-2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

why? doesn't sound like such a big deal really. not too me anyway.
http://ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18969
looks like these

I SELL HONDAS

08-08-2003, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Civicvtec1ps

http://ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18969
looks like these

i dont think they look alike, that link is ug as a mug!! (aka looks like spit)

:o

JLannoo

08-08-2003, 10:37 PM

I hope honda puts a cover over them though. Hard to tell in the drawings.

I SELL HONDAS

08-08-2003, 10:39 PM

they look covered in my picture. :D
looks a little like the S2000.

JLannoo

08-08-2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by I SELL HONDAS
they look covered in my picture. :D
looks a little like the S2000.

Good deal then, I like having a lens over it all.

Jester

08-08-2003, 10:55 PM

OK now it looks like a modded FOCUS!!!

lame!

Surprise

08-09-2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Jester
OK now it looks like a modded FOCUS!!!

lame!

Oh so true!

Any word on what the new wheels will look like?

bobdobbs

08-09-2003, 12:30 AM

*COUGH* ricey *COUGH*

02SilverSiHB

08-09-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by bobdobbs
*COUGH* ricey *COUGH*
LOL! no kidding. I feel sorry for the bastard that buys the new one. Imagine how popular it would be to sell our stock part now after we buy jdm ones. The guys with the 04 will die for ours :D

Gov_E

08-09-2003, 04:44 PM

what about the 3-door Euro Civic 'sport' model? Kind of a tamer type-R?

http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/newcars/carBuilder.jsp?yearId=2003&modelId=10413&bodyId=10732&bodyDescription=3%20door&engineId=10405&badgeId=10419&transmissionId=&colourId=&colourAllocationId=

http://www.honda.co.uk/newcars/images/cars/GB_front3_2003_10413_10732_10419_10405_28.jpg

JBS02

08-09-2003, 06:48 PM

Honda should end the sport compact wars. Drop in the K24 with i-VTEC on intake and exhaust. Slap on the Mugen sport suspension.

bobdobbs

08-09-2003, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

I feel sorry for the bastard that buys the new one. Imagine how popular it would be to sell our stock part now after we buy jdm ones. The guys with the 04 will die for ours :D

Maybe, unless Honda does something that makes the old head and tails lights incompatible on the new car. It wouldn't take much.

Considering every magazine review says the car is just adequately powered, and the Si isn't really selling that well, it's strange that Honda chose to make only cosmetic changes. Has anybody seriously complained about the tail lights? They're probably the last thing I'd change.

Gov_E

08-10-2003, 10:04 AM

hooray, I can post pictures!

has anyone put up that Civic Spost pic?

here's a side shot in blue:

http://www.honda.co.uk/newcars/images/cars/GB_side_2003_10413_10732_10419_10405_99.jpg

02SilverSiHB

08-10-2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by bobdobbs

Maybe, unless Honda does something that makes the old head and tails lights incompatible on the new car. It wouldn't take much.

Considering every magazine review says the car is just adequately powered, and the Si isn't really selling that well, it's strange that Honda chose to make only cosmetic changes. Has anybody seriously complained about the tail lights? They're probably the last thing I'd change.
so true, I'm beginning to think who ever comes up with these ideas for the new civic is watching F&F and 2F2F over and over again, thinking that's how we want it.

ep pilot

08-10-2003, 05:49 PM

I seriously would be dissapointed if Honda follows the croud and uses the Altezza style rear lamps, also I am not a fan of projector lamps contrasting our cars hard, creased & folded contours. Projectors look more appropriate on cars with a rounder profile. Best example would be a new Bettle.

I like our tails, actually the best improvement would be a transparent all red with a clear flutted (reverse lamp) & all amber signal combo.

As far as the front lenses go, I would only add Hid technology to the existing design, yet only slighltly smoke the insets of the housing.

I think our grill looks drab and dated, I would like to see something a bit more fluid per se.

-Ryan

bobdobbs

08-10-2003, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

so true, I'm beginning to think who ever comes up with these ideas for the new civic is watching F&F and 2F2F over and over again, thinking that's how we want it.

It looks to me like they think the EP3 is too European and they need to rice it up a bit to appeal to the core Civic fans in the U.S. (i.e., the 2F2F4U crowd). They'd double their sales if they marketed the car to potential Mini buyers as a cheaper, more livable alternative that you don't have to wait 14 months for!

IceD out N CALI

08-10-2003, 09:05 PM

guess we're all going to have to wait and see to know for sure;)

t-rex

08-10-2003, 09:30 PM

I'm thinking that the new headlights and tail lights will look like these:

http://asia.vtec.net/article/Jazz/index.html

Gov_E

08-10-2003, 09:44 PM

headlights might look more like these?

http://4hs.org//pv/2002/11/05/HON2002110548837_pv.jpg

BarracksSi

08-10-2003, 09:50 PM

Nah, those are just like the current ones, structurally-speaking. The ones on the Jazz look interesting -- not nearly as Focus-like as they seemed in the brochure pics.

I'm eager to see what they're like in person.

Jester

08-10-2003, 09:57 PM

if honda even puts out a SI version in 04

there are also rumors of nixing the SI and bringing over the 5door version with an opt. auto and 1.7L i-vtec...

styllinep3

08-11-2003, 03:00 PM

16 in wheels. WTF. is that gonna be standard or a option, cause if they come starndard im gonna be way pissed. they ll want a damn fortune to sell them to the 02 03 owners. they can keep all that other shit and should of put the 16s on in the first place, and never changed anything.

ep pilot

08-11-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Jester
if honda even puts out a SI version in 04

there are also rumors of nixing the SI and bringing over the 5door version with an opt. auto and 1.7L i-vtec...

I would actually rather Honda bring the 5 door, would make our '02-'03 Si's that much more exclusive.

-Ryan

ep pilot

08-11-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Gov_E
headlights might look more like these?

http://4hs.org//pv/2002/11/05/HON2002110548837_pv.jpg

What the '02-'03 Si really should have looked like, except even Honda knows they wouldn't have been able to handle the demand;) Hence the Odyssey chicness of the late '90's

Jester

08-11-2003, 07:36 PM

nice and ricey!

dj addicted

08-12-2003, 06:35 AM

see.. I was thinking the best way to improve it would be with wood paneling!!! What minivan doesnt have wood paneling!?!?!?!?!?!

CIVICBOOST

08-12-2003, 07:57 PM

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pfe4b73149486ff0e7e47dab710f68013/fb673821.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p6c6dc4cc8d49c36d6fbbb0e8eae79a13/fb673806.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pbdf7c8b083d1201b1faf3e2995929a1d/fb6737f7.jpg

ep3guy

08-12-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by RacerDre
Take a look at what i found today while doing some training at Honda. Yup you guessed it two 04 SI's with HFP kit (same as the GFX kit in Canada) Brand new updated Headlights and Taillights and 5 Lug suspension with 17in wheels. the interior is the same as the current SI except for the CF trim (that you can buy as an accssory for our cars) and a aluminum FP shiftknob. I have no clue what motor this car has and if this car is actually gonna come out. My guess is the it will be available (like the RSX) as the Factory Performance car package probably minus the 5 lug but you never know. So here are the pics enjoy:D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p439bd33e8cf06973f009308ea9256b4d/fb677375.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p6c7739bf4a76136e9965406b52293ef9/fb67737e.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p4a85201ab24709b9541da44cc6dcbad8/fb677367.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p007e95f903db86cf5ad0be78afa91372/fb677353.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p3b2a6131e8e410aea8e65996a694c2ed/fb67735c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p739c17798295131df7357e4ceffc9725/fb677372.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p41a769b3dc33f2faafc82323ec9efa7b/fb677348.jpg

02SilverSiHB

08-12-2003, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by ep3guy

well, I don't care for the taillights, but they look okay. I can't stand that lip kit...the front just doesn't flow. The rear is okay. The side skirts work though. The headlights look really nice, wouldn't mind having them. In fact if I did get them, I'd paint them gunmetal just like mine :D
I also like the rims....I hope someone gets that car and then sells the rims cheap on ebay...I'll take em for autox.

ep3guy

08-12-2003, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
I also like the rims....I hope someone gets that car and then sells the rims cheap on ebay...I'll take em for autox.

Remember to get the suspension too. :)

02SilverSiHB

08-12-2003, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by ep3guy

Remember to get the suspension too. :)
Nah, I doubt the suspension is that great on the hfp. I have konis already

RacerDre

08-12-2003, 08:43 PM

whos white EP is that?;)

ep3guy

08-12-2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

Nah, I doubt the suspension is that great on the hfp. I have konis already

I meant the 5 lug since the wheels wont fit.

Originally posted by RacerDre

whos white EP is that?;)

Looks like Aldrich's. ;)

02SilverSiHB

08-12-2003, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by ep3guy

I meant the 5 lug since the wheels wont fit.

Looks like Aldrich's. ;)
DOH!!!! Crap! I didn't even notice..that's nuts! damn

CIVICBOOST

08-12-2003, 08:55 PM

Theres a thread on this kit already I ran into it about a month ago with more pics, you can try a search but if the search works for you like it does for me forget it lol this kit is out in Canada according to a member here at EPHATCH who has tie ins with the kit, but there was a problem with supply and demand Honda couldnt keep up so was marked discontinued at the dealerships, I'm afraid the same will happen here.
I dont like that "Lego" added on look so the front doesnt appeal to me but I'm down with the rear, it gives the EP a sexy ass