Fujitsubo Legalis-R + JR Race Header Review w/ Pics

[DynaSpeed]

Finally.... after almost 3 months of getting jerked around by Jackson Racing, I finally have my exhaust hooked up.

Install went fairly smooth, limited tools and doing it myself with no help kinda slowed me down, but all-in-all, I would say anybody could do it. The JR race header and the Fujitsubo Legalis R hooked together with no modification to the A3.

Performance Review: Noise levels are increased slightly, normal droning at highway speeds, low-end has a nice grumble. I'm not a big fan of the "butt-dyno", but I'm quite sure that there is a bit more "kick-in-the-pants" at mid-range to upper.... I have penciled in some dyno time on August 9th, so stay tuned.


Here's some pics:

p.s. - This image hoster is probably gonna over the allowed bandwidth, so if somebody can host these for me, I would appreciate it.


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[DynaSpeed]

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[DynaSpeed]

With the JR header, you must extend the primary o2 sensor wires as shown here -

http://a3.cpimg.com/image/67/DA/21108583-b508-01F4015A-.jpg

b-pipe hangs a little lower than stock -


http://a4.cpimg.com/image/68/DA/21108584-941b-01F4015A-.jpg

The old 'Tin Foil on the o2 sensor' trick.... seems to be working so far....


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[RyteN2Ep3]

wow!!! very nice!!
1 question- any mods towards the fujitsubo Legalis R to fit the USDM ep?

[DynaSpeed]

You *cannot* fit the Legalis-R to the stock catalytic. You need a header-cat combo that fits a CTR or RSX-S or R.

[RyteN2Ep3]

so how much was for the JR header-cat combo??



Originally posted by DynaSpeed
You *cannot* fit the Legalis-R to the stock catalytic. You need a header-cat combo that fits a CTR or RSX-S or R.

[DynaSpeed]

i got it for $540ish shipped from Summit

[JSIR]

sounds like a really nice setup Bob , no pics though !, keep us posted on the dyno results. If you get the pics to work that would be cool.

Joey

[DynaSpeed]

hmmm... I went through my allotted bandwidth in 4 minutes.
Just bought some more, but it probably won't go through til tomorrow.

[dustinhurley]

Pics are down again. I've heard that the exhaust will smell bad without a cat. What are you doing about passing emissions?

[DynaSpeed]

Michigan doesn't have emissions testing.

[JSIR]

last time I tried the tin-foil trick it didnt work for me, kept getting CEL's.

keep us posted bud !

[MYEP3]

what happened to the pics?

[Suk02Si]

maybe you can host on imagestation? I wanna see pics:D

[fishboy]

somebody host them please!

looks like your car is coming along nicely, dyna. what else have you done?

[heihei0330]

can you post some sound clips of the exhaust

Terence

[fishboy]

fujitsubo exhausts sound hella clean. they have a sound clip on this site: fujitsubo sound (http://www.funny-funny-pictures.com/insanity/)

[heihei0330]

Originally posted by fishboy
fujitsubo exhausts sound hella clean. they have a sound clip on this site: fujitsubo sound (http://www.funny-funny-pictures.com/insanity/)


i am trying to find a sound clip of the exhaust on our ep's, but i think there's gonna be one soon, since the fujitsubo group buy thing is almost arriving. they sure look great, now is the sound and performance dat i am waiting until i make my purchase.

[David K.]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DynaSpeed
[B]With the JR header, you must extend the primary o2 sensor wires as shown here -

Sounds interesting. Does JR have an Si specific race header, or are you using the RSX design, and if so, do you use the base or Type-s header? Thanks.

[DynaSpeed]

There's only 1 header made by JR.... it's for the RSX-S. You just need a CTR exhaust for a fit that doesn't need modification.

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Nice.
I cant see spending almost a G on exhaust...but it's :cool:
BTW: I would re-do that wiring if I were you. You should solder it and throw heat shrink over it....otherwise you're gonna get those crimps wet and short something out.

[klik]

do u think the JR header will work with the HKS exhaust?

[fishboy]

now that is a header. everything looks excellent. you are so lucky you don't have emissions. i'd gut my cat if i could, i probably will anyway later on. and thanks for getting the pics up.;)

[DynaSpeed]

I cant see spending almost a G on exhaust haha.... more like $1300. And I thought I got a good deal!

[anjapower]

does the JR header bolt up to a hiflow cat? What parts would need modification to fit with the stock exhaust?

[RockEP_SS**]

Nice setup! I love those exhausts.

Rocky
Showstoppers USA

[siver-SI]

Ok what is the tin foil thing?

[MYEP3]

i've seen that foil thing a couple times can some one explain it...besides oww it takes away the cel light....ie...how do you apply it, where does it go, does it even work?

[02SilverSiHB]

hey dynaspeed, I hosted the pics for you, wasn't sure if anyone else had. I just edited you post and put my pics in place of yours.
Nice setup by the way

[ep3guy]

Wow nice setup!!! So the JR header wont bolt up to the stock muffler? Would it fit if I used a high flow cat and then bolt on my mid-pipe and stock muffler? I've been interested in doing this but I'm not sure.

[heihei0330]

Hey DynaSpeed


Can you get us some sound clips of the exhaust. Thx a lot!!!!



Terence

[Makross]

sweet ass setup

[NamingException]

Originally posted by fishboy
fujitsubo exhausts sound hella clean. they have a sound clip on this site: fujitsubo sound (http://www.funny-funny-pictures.com/insanity/)

So goddam funny... I'm still chuckling!

[DynaSpeed]

02SilverSiHB - thanks for hosting the pics.

The tin-foil wasn't applied well, and I think it blew out. I got a CEL this morning. For the questions regarding the usage of this, it fools the secondary o2 sensor into thinking that it's working without an actual functional catalytic converter. It's not so bad, cuz with the foil on, it was making my A/F gauge go all wiggy.
Cybernation is working on an o2 simulator, so I'll throw that on when it gets here.

[Dunrick]

I think that sensor from cybernations is already out! I might be wrong though. So without the cat, is the power completely all up top? I got i/h/e and the borla header is basically a short racing header that ends right before the cat. So my only bottleneck now is the cat, but I don't know if I want to get rid of the car, because I want some torque for autox. It feels like I got real vtec around 6k with my setup of i/h/e - I bet yours does aswell

[DynaSpeed]

No, that o2 sim that they have right now is throwing codes, and the problem is with the TPS.... Clubrsx has extensive info for your further reading enjoyment.

I really think I'm getting more power all through the power band, not just up top. I'm really diggin' it. The dyno will hopefully shed some light.

[ep3guy]

Originally posted by ep3guy
Wow nice setup!!! So the JR header wont bolt up to the stock muffler? Would it fit if I used a high flow cat and then bolt on my mid-pipe and stock muffler? I've been interested in doing this but I'm not sure.

[DynaSpeed]

So the JR header wont bolt up to the stock muffler?

no... it's too long, and the flanges aren't the same angle, as you can see in the pics with the 2 side-by-side.



Would it fit if I used a high flow cat and then bolt on my mid-pipe and stock muffler

no... the A3 cat is not the same dimensions as the "test-pipe" part of the JR header (See pics). To use a cat, you'd have to buy one, than chop it up to dimensional specs to fit between the "header" part of the header, and the stock dimensional A3 mid-pipe.

I dunno if that was clear... throw me a PM if you need detailed info on your proposed setup.

[ep3guy]

Ahh ok. Thanks a lot. I know exactly what to do now. I might give it a shot if I can sell my stuff.

[redronin22]

awesome set up! im just weary of paying that much n not getting a perfect fit.

guess ill have to wait it out for neuspeed.

[dustinhurley]

I noticed your support bracket for the header does not lign up. Am I right?

[DynaSpeed]

yes, I meant to point that out....

The hanger for the header does not function at all. The hanger is technically a part of the stock catalytic, and JR welded it to the "header" part of the header instead of the "test-pipe" part because of the length. It will go on, but the rubber grommet would not have any load on it, considering that that piece is bolted to the block, and therefore not doing anything at all.

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/506/8924/p/389979_5345525966625321014_vl.jpg

[jerky]

Originally posted by redronin22
awesome set up! im just weary of paying that much n not getting a perfect fit.

guess ill have to wait it out for neuspeed.

didn't he just say that it was a perfect fit. sure the midpipe hangs alittle low, but all exhausts do that.

[si-lum]

what exactly is the old tin foil trick?

[DynaSpeed]

"Old Tin Foil Trick" -

If you can successfully wrap tin-foil around the secondary o2 sensor and have it stay, then you'll fool the ECU into thinking that it's working, therefore no CEL's due to "Catalytic Degradation".

P.S. - I can't get it to stay, so CEL is on constantly... I don't even notice it any more.

[si-lum]

do oyu notice any power loss, or any other side effects?

[DynaSpeed]

Power loss because of a CEL?
No.
the only side-effect of a CEL is normally the nice orange-yellow light in your dash, other than the actual problem, of course.
And a Catalytic Degradation CEL isn't going to make the ECU go into limp mode.

[LordKoo]

I think we should do our part as good humans by not using any header without cat. It is very damaging to the environment.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by LordKoo
I think we should do our part as good humans by not using any header without cat. It is very damaging to the environment.
yeah, I'm keeping my cat. I don't care for the no cat deal, not worth it for daily driving imo

[siver-SI]

I would keep the cat since it is illegal to not have on in I think it is 1974 or 76 and newer cars. I do know one guy that had his car towed because of it on a mid 80's car. They gave him a ticket for no Cat and not being able to pass emissions. With that the suspended the plates on the car till it got to a test place and since it was late and night and there was no place to drive it to they towed it since under the suspention the only place you can drive your car is testing center. IL has become a real pain in the butt about this depending on what cop you hit.

[bioevolve]

Try wrapping a thin piece of aluminum (instead of foil) around that sensor and tack weld it on or JB Weld (or liquid steel) it on? Just a thought (idea).

[CivicGSiR]

did you ever get any #'s from the dyno you were going to in August?

[DynaSpeed]

Unfortunately not... On the second pull after the warm up, I blew it up with an n2o burp..... sorry.

but if I could guesstimate, I would have had about 155 uncorrected whp.

[BlackNRedSi]

thats awesome man!

[cpu519]

Does the header hit the sway bar? I like this header because it allows the option of adding a high flow cat instead of the test pipe.

[DynaSpeed]

There's quite a bit of clearance for the front sway. I've never had problems. Note that I have the stocker, though. Although, I'm quite certain the aftermarket bars wouldn't have trouble.

[CivicGSiR]

what ever happened with your blown motor? do you still have the car?

[DynaSpeed]

runs better than ever!

[HK_EP3]

so all u need is the JR header and Fujitsubo exhuast, and the exhuast itself will fit perfectly? just need to extend the wiring?
thanks

[DynaSpeed]

I heard that JR is coming out with a Si specific header, or maybe it's out, or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. I saw it on some thread around here. It would only mean that you wouldn't have to purchase a Type-R exhaust, but what fun is that?

[fsugatorbait]

any new dyno #'s?

[DynaSpeed]

no... and unfortunately, it's not likely. Maybe, though.
I'm certain it's in the mid-150's, and a few horses in either direction isn't going to make me happy or sad. It's just too expensive to find out.

[TheAnhDy]

http://a3.cpimg.com/image/67/DA/21108583-b508-01F4015A-.jpg

do you have a gasket between the header and the test pipe?

i just put this header on the base rsx with magnaflow exhaust and it's loud as fuck

[DynaSpeed]

yep... the gasket that came with the header.

and "loud" is relative, but I just had some people just this week tell me after they took a look at the car how quiet it is. And Tom Payn from Payn Technologies told me I had the best sounding lightly modded civic he's heard.... :)

[ToingToing]

haha.... more like $1300. And I thought I got a good deal!

i unno if thats just for the fujitsubo legalis-r exhaust, but if it is, then i think that's too much. i talked to polepositionproducts.com a while back and they are givin em to me for $650 shipped. btw, nice exhaust. i was plannin on that one before but uhhh, im goin for t1r connected wit spoon.

[I SELL HONDAS]

$1300 bucks, I am pretty sure is both jr header and Fujitsubo.

[DynaSpeed]

I bought it from Pole Position, as a matter of fact.

Good seller!

and, of course, 1300 for both.