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phatfreeza
08-08-2003, 01:19 AM
so i was reading somewhere ...i think one of hondaman's posts and he posted jaydub's five step program:

1)clay bar
2) 3M swirl remover
3) klasse all in one
4) klasse sealant
5) something i can't remember...

so i have the first four steps of it, the mothers clay bar to be exact...i have a couple of questions...do i use the sealant wax included in the mothers clay bar thing? how long do i need to wait between each step? also, to take off the wax i intend to use a terry cloth...anything wrong with that? i just want to do it right! i'm tired of seeing these swirl marks on my car!! any tips and insight would be greatly appreciated!!! :D


i want a porter cable! :rolleyes:

AkronSi
08-08-2003, 05:47 AM
I think Jaydub uses Blitz wax for his topper. What color do you have? P21S or S100 (the same thing, S100 is available at most Harley places and is cheaper) is a great topper. Wipe on, wipe off. You don't even need to let it haze. Put it on super thin (the whole less is more thing) and wipe off immediately.

The wax that comes with the Mother's clay is, OK. I'd save it for your wheels or use it to dress up the paint in your engine (after you clean it of course). It's a cleaner wax, so you wouldn't want to put it on last. It would take off the layers of klasse that you had just put on.

As for time, it depends. the Klasse AIO can be taken off almost immediately. You might want to do two coats though. You don't have to wait at all between the clay and SMR, or between the SMR and AIO. The Klasse Sealer Glaze is the step that will take some time. I think they say to let it sit for at least 20 minutes (more if it's humid).

Check out Autopia (http://www.autopia.org) for lots of tips. To buy the stuff look at Proper Auto Care (http://www.properautocare.com) or Autopia Car Care (http://www.autopia-carcare.com). Autopia Car Care has a good Klasse/S100 kit.

phatfreeza
08-08-2003, 02:49 PM
thanks akron si! that was very helpful! another question tho..do i need to buy a topper? or are the first four steps adequate enough? the blitz is like 20 more bucks... i mean if i have to i'll get it...oh yeah my car is black so i want that baby to SHINE! :) :p


oh yeah what's the best towel for taking off all this stuff?

AkronSi
08-11-2003, 08:06 AM
I'd say the first four steps would be fine. The carnuba topper (Blitz or whatever you use) is just going to add some more depth and warmth to the shine.

I'd say go with the first four and see how you like it. If you think it needs a little more, than try a carnuba. I've heard some good things about Mother's carnuba wax (just make sure it doesn't have the word "cleaner" in the name).

I'm partial to microfiber towels for buffing. Both autopia car care and proper auto care sell really good towels. You might want to check out this (http://www.autopia-carcare.com/klcokit.html) kit.

Also, check out your local walmart. In the automotive section they have packs of microfiber towels (blue and white) for like 5 bucks. Not the best towels, but decent and the price is right.

One last tip, remember the mantra "Less is More!" Especially with the Klasse, you might barely be able to see the stuff on your car. The AIO can be put on and buffed off imeadiately (althought I like to do the whole car first) but the Sealer Glaze (SG) should sit for at least 20 minutes. Some people leave it on for 24 hours before buffing and then put another coat on right away. I can't do that, but I've had good luck with the 20 minute rule.

Ok, one more :D don't forget to really clean your wheels and put the Klasse on them too. It will help really keep them clean.

Ok, that's it.

Ocelaris
08-12-2003, 12:23 PM
I used to use the clay bar method, and it definetly helps, but it's not gonna get rid of your swirl marks.

I have a 3 stage process for taking care of my car.

Stage one is just wash, that happens every week or two.

Stage 2 is a wash, clay bar (maybe), Rainex, wash, quick detailer that happens once a month or so.

Stage 3 is the deep clean, once every 4 months is all I can physically handle it takes so long. Ok, first wash of course, dry, and then 3m Professional Machine Polish (machine HIGHLEY reccomended). I don't have an orbital buffer/polisher, so I used my hands, about a 1 foot area took 3 minutes... really Fing long. Then the 3M Polish for dark cars for my NBP (fills in the swirl marks). Finally Mothers hard cake caranuba wax, the stuff you have to add water to, and takes a hell of a lot of elbow grease to remove...

That is the best process I have found, the machine polish really does the most of the work, so be careful if you use an orbital buffer though, because you can rip right through your clear coat...

HondaMan
09-05-2003, 09:29 PM
This is jaydub's wax process (what I do as well):

1) Clay Bar
2) 3M Swirl Mark Remover (for dark cars) - this will help your swirl marks or water spots IMMENSELY
3) Klasse All-In-One
4) Klasse Sealer Glaze
5) Blitz One Grand Carnuba

Porter Cable rules! :)

See my sig links for more...

Ocelaris
09-05-2003, 09:54 PM
I was talking to the local auto paint specialist, and the lady there said she'd never used the clay bars. 3M makes one, but she said it was ONLY for overspray, like heavy duty... she gave me the impression that really the only way you're going to get rid of swirls is to use a good cleaner, and then use some polish, she reccomended machine polish my 3M professionals, which I did use (BY HAND!) and it took me forever, I'll never do that again without an orbital buffer. And then I used the 3M swirl remover for dark cars (the filler in stuff) and then on top of that a "pure" Caranuba wax sealer, (as opposed to the polymix liquid blends).

By far that was the best wax/cleaning job I'd ever done. It's awesome. but I could only exert that 5 hours to do that once maye twice a year max... Buffer required almost. Bill

HondaMan
09-06-2003, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by Ocelaris
I was talking to the local auto paint specialist, and the lady there said she'd never used the clay bars. 3M makes one, but she said it was ONLY for overspray, like heavy duty... she gave me the impression that really the only way you're going to get rid of swirls is to use a good cleaner, and then use some polish, she reccomended machine polish my 3M professionals, which I did use (BY HAND!) and it took me forever, I'll never do that again without an orbital buffer. And then I used the 3M swirl remover for dark cars (the filler in stuff) and then on top of that a "pure" Caranuba wax sealer, (as opposed to the polymix liquid blends).

By far that was the best wax/cleaning job I'd ever done. It's awesome. but I could only exert that 5 hours to do that once maye twice a year max... Buffer required almost. Bill

Cool...I plan to do my 2-3 hour wax job process today or tomorrow. It's a lot of work but well worth it! Also, if I didn't have a Porter Cable orbital polisher I would not do it (I'm lazy) and it would probably take twice as long, if not longer. :D

Ocelaris
09-06-2003, 12:24 PM
Any tips on not rubbing through the clear coat with the orbital buffer? And how nice/cheap is the porter cable you have? My mother in law had a no name buffer, and I was going to give it a shot next time, but I don't wanna burn through the clearcoat. And not sure as to the capabilities of this no-name buffer yet...
Just wondering if you put down a significant investment in your porter cable... and whether it'd be a good investment on my behalf as well...

HondaMan
09-06-2003, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by Ocelaris
Any tips on not rubbing through the clear coat with the orbital buffer? And how nice/cheap is the porter cable you have? My mother in law had a no name buffer, and I was going to give it a shot next time, but I don't wanna burn through the clearcoat. And not sure as to the capabilities of this no-name buffer yet...
Just wondering if you put down a significant investment in your porter cable... and whether it'd be a good investment on my behalf as well...

A Porter Cable polisher is an excellent investment IMO. However, they are not cheap...I think I paid about $175 for mine. They are the best you can get...ask any professional detailer and they are made in Germany if I recall correctly.

Go to http://www.autopia.org/ for lots of info on detailing right. Set you polisher to a slow RPM and becareful with how much force you use. Porter Cable's have a RPM dial to dail in your polisher speed for different applications. See this guide for lots of great info: http://autopia-carcare.com/autguidtodet.html

http://www.autopia.org/ebook/Cover%20V2.jpg

Good Luck!

AkronSi
09-08-2003, 07:27 AM
Lowes has the Porter Cable for about $110. It think it's the best deal around. That's where I got mine from.

I agree with HondaMan....head over to Autopia and buy the eBook. It was a great investment and taught me a ton. And, the people over there really know their shit.

HondaMan
09-08-2003, 07:53 AM
There are 2 Porter Cable models I know about...the $110 model and the 7424 (top of the line) model I have that runs about $175.

http://www.autopia.org/ is a great place for detailing info!

I did my/jaydub's multi-step wax process (mentioned above) yesterday (damn I'm sore & it takes 3-4+ hours not 2-3 hours even with my Porter Cable) and will try to post some pics of the results later today (after work). :D

jaydub
09-24-2003, 03:17 PM
haha how awesome! I have a process named after me!

Next time I do it, I'm gonna take some pics so people can see the steps, sometimes visual cues are better than verbal! :)

HondaMan
09-24-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by jaydub
haha how awesome! I have a process named after me!

Next time I do it, I'm gonna take some pics so people can see the steps, sometimes visual cues are better than verbal! :)

You da man! :D