Another *Look What Came In Today 11/11/03*

[bioevolve]

2 Threads this week, cuz last week I didn't post a new item hehehehe.
The Ebay Test Pipe, box was beat to hell and back. I didn't think UPS or FEDEX ran today, being a holiday. Anywhooooo. VETERANS DAY TO ALL!!!!
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pf3df3e7b76700fce7a8017f61fe21cc3/fa956f4b.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p7cce4f3dc0b80fa1a7269457ecc19076/fa956eff.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p7e1162eb0ccedf6bf0e2cd2cbe565d50/fa956ec3.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p83042fbd22d44297fec0e6242993b6ed/fa956edf.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pb36bc0ab44b3139474a220cc68012bcb/fa956dfb.jpg
Take the Cat out, remove the heat shield cover, remove the O2 sensors and DON'T touch bottom part that enters the cat. Use alotta Penetrator fluid to help break any stuck bolts and nuts.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pb06f1ac40d8148868ef540521fd311a4/fa957245.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p78d19056cd8e8966564a6a7fcb111a13/fa956f93.jpg

[Driftin SI]

Nice, looks like a quality part

[bioevolve]

Plug the holes in old cat with towels or paper towels, for later reinstallment (for the people who live in emmissions areas)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pc3147c1f0ced1f6a6fd9da767845cfe1/fa956e09.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p24c3a5fa188a185e086df4e936f13398/fa956e28.jpg
They made it smart, you can only see the sensor #1 sticking out in the pipe. The same way I was gonna do if sensor #2 was pertruding. They did it right, give less readings for sensor #2 to simulate a cat. Like I said before, it's just a straight thru resonator.;)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pb4461eced9a43bc0893623c14609f4d3/fa956e3a.jpg
Red RTV'd the header doughnut
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pf97f576358982efd4b5334db7b241110/fa9571d1.jpg
Left over RTV from original cat
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pb75739bd0f1f06f4132823ca35dfc010/fa95721e.jpg
Wire brush cleaned it
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pc1e2e8d07f434c24e6772dd55af1bde2/fa957209.jpg
Only had one problem with it, the hanger bar was hitting the subframe. So you will have to get some big channel locks and bend it back some.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p6a7aa31e78fd2478315b450b1d853a83/fa957183.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pf733b19b47aa58346d93e1c6a28c6a5a/fa9570f4.jpg

[RacingCivicSi02]

looks good. let us know how it runs.

[bioevolve]

Finished product:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pd18687e27fc0c4a86a9e62d55f8b42b0/fa9570a3.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p03d697181df31acdf5c585aac476abed/fa957073.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p9f396c3eeb2ecd52ed814d6a77cb6c69/fa957030.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p442c130c5a647cc11de975958d967ea4/fa956f65.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p20d03c3a6bb3289ab37928429d8abc80/fa957006.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/pb2e365ebe2a95a937ed5f9fb607755c1/fa956fd9.jpg
Over all its give the same position as the original cat.
Exhaust sound is slightly louder.
Butt dyno gives it two cheeks up!
Felt alittle more power!
No CEL light yet, will keep you posted.

[Stoop]

Oooooooo, shiiiiiiiiiny..............Very Nice. :D

Looks good. I truly enjoy seeing what you put on your car. Thanks for living out some of my dreams for me, Bioevolve. You have done some seriously amazing things to your ride. Keep it up.

[Mugen_EP]

I saw you were the winner of this item on e-bay and was waiting for this thread.:smilem: Now just keep us updated on the CEL situation.

Thanks for being our guinea pig.:winkm:

[bioevolve]

I take all compliments to the heart, thanks.
Still got a long way to go before I'm finished.

Yeah, I was wondering if anyone was gonna out bid me lol.

Guinea pig = me, true that. :D

[myeverlovinsir]

Sweet, was this a one off joby? What would be your best guess about the ID diffs? Thanks and great work as always!;)

[Civicvtec1ps]

Originally posted by bioevolve
I take all compliments to the heart, thanks.
Still got a long way to go before I'm finished.

Yeah, I was wondering if anyone was gonna out bid me lol.

Guinea pig = me, true that. :D
yea lol i was looking at that test pipe. was about to bid on it.:D

[civicSIracer]

nice man.. how much did it end up costing you? looks like nice product off ebay:)

[andy]

Cool, awesome write up bio and good to know the one you got was not
the one pictured in your auction, lol. Please keep us updated on
the CEL situation - I think fsugatorbait has one of these on the way
as well, will be interesting to see if it's exactly the same piece
and if it also does not immediately trigger a CEL.

One question, though, bio - do you think the hanger problem has anything
to do with the fact you have a different motor (can't remember what
headers you have) - was wondering if that might fit better on our A3's.
Probably not...

[bioevolve]

My plastic dial caliper said:

Stock cat

Inlet 50mm or 1.97 inches
Outlet 46mm or 1.81 inches

Test Pipe

Inlet and outlet 60mm or 2.36 inches

Bought from Ebayer * built4race *


Now the price is raised because of demand/popularity, well looks like others have raised their prices lol.

Hanger problem, I think is hanger/weld placement. I have A2, but I'm using an A3 DC ceramic header. Also it clears my aftermarket swaybar (plenty of room).
Forgot to weight it, but it felt like it was 3-8lbs lighter also. Someone who gets it, weight it, and post it. TIA!

[Mugen_EP]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2441406780&category=33629

[myeverlovinsir]

Thanks bio, I tried to search for it, then used 'built4race'.
I picked one up, even though the pic does not show the correct part.
Thanks again for the heads up. That's 2 pieces I followed you on. First was the ES mounts. Cheers!:D

[Rey]

Super Fast Shipping! *****5 STAR EBAYER***** A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Heh, I like the feedback you left bio.:D

BTW, where did you get the carbon fiber spark plug cover?

[bioevolve]

Yeah, I always leave the same feed back lol. Unless they piss me off.
Usually most of the sellers I buy from have fast or decent shipping times and I try to do the same when I sell something.

CF Spark Cover from a clubrsx.com member, that didn't tell me the weaving was flawed.:mad: So I sold it on ebay with mention of the flaw :D .

[Zero Three Si]

Very sweet....I'm sure performance is SWEET!

[Rey]

How are these seats you bought?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33701&item=2430426444

[bioevolve]

They are good, but haven't installed them yet.

Whole story here http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20426&highlight=seat

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
My plastic dial caliper said:

Stock cat

Inlet 50mm or 1.97 inches
Outlet 46mm or 1.81 inches

Test Pipe

Inlet and outlet 60mm or 2.36 inches

Bought from Ebayer * built4race *

Got it for $75 + $15 s/h intorductory price

Now the price is raised because of demand/popularity, well looks like others have raised their prices lol.

Hanger problem, I think is hanger/weld placement. I have A2, but I'm using an A3 DC ceramic header. Also it clears my aftermarket swaybar (plenty of room).
Forgot to weight it, but it felt like it was 3-8lbs lighter also. Someone who gets it, weight it, and post it. TIA!
sweet, I bought mine from the same guy, should be here this week I hope. How long after he emailed you did you get it? I can't wait :p He emailed me on monday saying he had shipped it. I thought I got a better deal than anyone, but you beat me by 6 bucks :D

[RockEP_SS**]

Very nice work bio! I called another one of these threads for next week, but you posted today :confused: ! Looks like a very nice test pipe. Will this bolt on to a stock header???

Rocky
Showstoppers USA

[bioevolve]

4 business days after he emailed me. (technically 6 days).

It will bolt to stock exhaust manifold/header with no probs. All aftermarket shorty header will work with it (will not work with race header, why would you need that if you had a race header? lol). Just watch out for hanger and swaybar clearances. Stock sways will have no probs since they sit higher than aftermarket ones.

[Rey]

How about a borlas header? From the pictures I have seen it looks huge!!! Does anybody know who sells them?

[1abSi]

one of these days...he will run out of things to buy!!!!....one of these days:D

[1abSi]

he needs his own forum for these posts....titled "Rich's new item(s) of the week" :p :D

[bioevolve]

One exception, borla lol, I don't know about borla, didn't borla header you had to weld the bottom flange or something to make it fit? Maybe a collector pipe/peice was needed?


If they keep making new stuff, I wll keep buying lol

My own little forum would kewl, lol. Than I would have to buy something everyweek to post it, it would be my duty lol.

[andy]

One of the eBay sellers of these (not built4race, but another guy
selling what I think is the same thing) said if we could get 10
people in on a group buy, he could do something like $105 shipped.
If anyone is interested in doing that, just post and I'll try to
email him again. fsugatorbait ordered from this guy I'm referring
to, so I'd like to see how his fits/compares.

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

IS that polished stainless steel or does it look like it has some type of chrome finish on it?
Did it change color when you ran the engine?
Any check engine light yet?

[bioevolve]

I don't think its stainless, chrome finish looks more like it.
I ran it for like 5 mintues today, will know more tomorrow to see if changes colors like a true stainless.
No CEL yet.

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by andy
One of the eBay sellers of these (not built4race, but another guy
selling what I think is the same thing) said if we could get 10
people in on a group buy, he could do something like $105 shipped.
If anyone is interested in doing that, just post and I'll try to
email him again. fsugatorbait ordered from this guy I'm referring
to, so I'd like to see how his fits/compares.

Well, I just paid for mine and had it shipped UPS ground for $98.00 (grand total @ built4race). No need for a group buy. I didn't bother biding or waiting to save 5 bucks. I guess if you shipped it next day air it may be $105 or a little more.:D

BTW: I also included a link of this thread to them after I got confirmation of payment and shipping from them. Hopefully they can make some adjustment to the hanger bracket problem also. Thanks again for the pics bioevolve.:cool:

[Brettnyt]

Ooo... nice... what all will this do? Just free up a lil power? Is that its main purpose? Cause it sure does look purdy too... Sound?

[andy]

Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
Well, I just paid for mine and had it shipped UPS ground for $98.00 (grand total @ built4race). No need for a group buy. I didn't bother biding or waiting to save 5 bucks. I guess if you shipped it next day air it may be $105 or a little more.:D

BTW: I also included a link of this thread to them after I got confirmation of payment and shipping from them. Hopefully they can make some adjustment to the hanger bracket problem also. Thanks again for the pics bioevolve.:cool:

myeverlovinsir, good to know. I saw a couple of the "straight" pieces
(not like the one bio got) on eBay for 75 or so, but all the others
similar to his were 145 buy it now or more than 105. Maybe I can ask
the guy about lowering his price...I dunno.

[myeverlovinsir]

I just got a response from built4race about the hanger bracket. They have what they have in stock and simply stated that it's not a big problem, only a simple bend. We enlightened them to it anyways by bioevolve providing pics and they will eventually make the adjustments.;)

[Suk02Si]

seller lives about 20 mins away from me, hmm... :D

[bioevolve]

Purpose to free up some power. The cat has a honeycomb inside, some with 2 chambers or more. Causing restriction in the exhaust flow, also filters the populated exhaust. My opinion it creates more harmful gaseous chemicals (like acid rain and ozone striping). Honeycomb can/is made of many metals: Raydon(?), precious metals: Platinum, etc......bla bla bla.

Most forum members goals that I've noticed: Looks (ice) and to squeeze out every ounce of power and performance from vehicles as possible, within budgets. This is one of those $100'ish mods that in turn gives the most bang for the buck. Example: N20 is still #1 cost to power ratio bang for the buck, in my opinion, but only temporary.

[ep88]

Originally posted by Suk02Si
seller lives about 20 mins away from me, hmm... :D

same here..
hmmm ur making me think hahah
:D

[Suk02Si]

Originally posted by ep88
same here..
hmmm ur making me think hahah
:D

Yeah dude, let's both drive down there and get 'em for 60 bucks :D

[bioevolve]

Drove it around some more today, getting on it, taking it to redline 1st-2nd-3rd hehehe. Color on test pipe did not change, as I've figured, just chrome plated metal (not stainless). No CEL light yet. For some reason my mid pipe looks lower, might be settling in (sagging). With having an EVO exhaust that already hangs low, just looks lower. Anyways, I'll keep you updated.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Drove it around some more today, getting on it, taking it to redline 1st-2nd-3rd hehehe. Color on test pipe did not change, as I've figured, just chrome plated metal (not stainless). No CEL light yet. For some reason my mid pipe looks lower, might be settling in (sagging). With having an EVO exhaust that already hangs low, just looks lower. Anyways, I'll keep you updated.
too bad you didn't have a before and after a/f measurement...I wouldn't mind seeing it that changes at all. I have a before one...well with stock exhaust, intake, and header, and another with i/h/comptech exhaust. Not much changed between those two. Now I have a midpipe with the i/h. I guess I'll get a a/f read out after driving with the down pipe.

By the way, do you feel quilty at all, not having the cat in? I kinda feel like I am going to feel quilty for it :eek: I don't know...I just wonder how worse it is on the environment without the cat on a NA 4 banger.

[bioevolve]

No guilt at all, mankind has always been poluting the environment and always will. No matter how hard you try to stop it, others will be doing it. Government is the #1 poluter, #2 is Corporations....we are at the very bottom, cuz use mainly use the products.

[STP03BlueSI]

Damn keep us updated. Hey can u take some pics of the EVO exhaust. Is that one a Angled exhaust?


Thanks!
Chris

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by STP03BlueSI
Damn keep us updated. Hey can u take some pics of the EVO exhaust. Is that one a Angled exhaust?


Thanks!
Chris

Picz and write up here
http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21090&highlight=evo

[anjapower]

how come on Ebay it says it is a "hi-flow cat" and you say its a test pipe? Is it really a test pipe or is it a hi-flow cat? I'd be much more inclined to buy it if it were a hi-flow cat.

[bioevolve]

It's just pipe and a straight thru resonator.

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by andy
One of the eBay sellers of these (not built4race, but another guy
selling what I think is the same thing) said if we could get 10
people in on a group buy, he could do something like $105 shipped.
If anyone is interested in doing that, just post and I'll try to
email him again. fsugatorbait ordered from this guy I'm referring
to, so I'd like to see how his fits/compares.

Mine should be here today and will be put on tomorrow night with pics and before and after hp/1040 readings from Gtech thing-a-majig. Im pretty interested in how this works out now that there are two guys who have had relatively good experiences with two types of high flow cat/downpipes. Just something else to spend our hard earned dollars on, right Mr. Mod?:)

[bioevolve]

Don't for get to weight it.;)

[myeverlovinsir]

They seem to be on the ball as far as customer service is concerned. They just sent me confirmation that it has shipped. Should have mine in early next week. Looking forward to it.:D

[fsugatorbait]

on a side note, im hitting the track on friday with a bunch of other ep'ers so well see how this does along with i/h/e :D.
And of course ill be sure to weigh it for all you weight conscious folks ;)!

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

I think I got mine the cheapest:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2441956078&category=33629

Don't worry, I did ask about the picture first, that's just a generic picture, I made sure it was EP3-specific.

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by ADAMnQuickCIVIC
I think I got mine the cheapest:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2441956078&category=33629

Don't worry, I did ask about the picture first, that's just a generic picture, I made sure it was EP3-specific.

You may have, here is another link that started out at 69.95 with the correct pics.

ebay hi flow cat (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2442749579&category=33629) :cool:http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/10056063/Images/03%20civic%20si%20hi%20flow%20cat%20II%20x500.jpg

[K20NutBucket]

i wouldnt think youd get a cel for the fact the o2 sensors are plugged in. I read somewhere, dont quote me, but a test pipe on our cars got like 5 or 6 hp. ill probably wait till spring and get one.

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by K20NutBucket
i wouldnt think youd get a cel for the fact the o2 sensors are plugged in. I read somewhere, dont quote me, but a test pipe on our cars got like 5 or 6 hp. ill probably wait till spring and get one.

Well, from what bio has said and shown. They were smart about how they put this unit together. Effectively you are fooling the ECU and emissions by the arrangement of the sensors. The first one is exposed quite a bit to the flow inside the resonator. The second sensor is looking for a 'reduced' amount of pollutants and is nicely tucked away from the flow within, hence recording a reduced amount of pollutants. I don't know how long or how effective this setup is. The other solution to this is to incorporate an oxygen simulator to fool the sensor. That's more money. Hope they got it right. Time will tell who throws the first cel.:angel:

[bioevolve]

#1 O2 sensor reads raw exhaust (emissions), #2 O2 sensor reads filtered exhaust (A/F ratio and emissions?). Correct me and LMK.

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by bioevolve
#1 O2 sensor reads raw exhaust (emissions), #2 O2 sensor reads filtered exhaust (A/F ratio and emissions?). Correct me and LMK.
I'm not sure but think that the cat #2 sensor does not care about Air/Fuel, instead the #1 sensor does that. Thought the #2 sensor just checked emmissions. Someone with the shop manual needs to chime in.:o

[bioevolve]

#1 is A/F (reads Oxygen content)
#2 is Heated Oxygen (reads Oxygen content)

But the manual reads that both do the same thing lol.

[fsugatorbait]

Say if you had the test pipe with both sensors clearly in the flow of the air, apprx. how long would our ecu's take to register this and throw a CEL?

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by bioevolve
#1 is A/F (reads Oxygen content)
#2 is Heated Oxygen (reads Oxygen content)

But the manual reads that both do the same thing lol.

Just as I thought, they both are looking at the same thing but need a differential reading to satisfiy the ECU. Seems simple enough to fool, and with the way its setup, how confident are you about it? I would have thought that because its the cat, they would have been more stringent than just oxygen content. Nice.

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
Say if you had the test pipe with both sensors clearly in the flow of the air, apprx. how long would our ecu's take to register this and throw a CEL?

I can answer this with one point, sensors are only capable of reading what they are exposed to and if you expose them correctly they will respond at the speed of light. :D

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
how confident are you about it?

Not 100% with it, cuz eventually, I think it might sense a to lean reading in #2, then the ECU will adjust to that and pump more fuel ?!?!?!
I might not do that, but it might. We'll see.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
#1 is A/F (reads Oxygen content)
#2 is Heated Oxygen (reads Oxygen content)

But the manual reads that both do the same thing lol.
not sure if this helps...but the number two has to be spliced into to give a/f readings when people install an a/f meter. I thought it was strange and had first thought the first one was the one that needed to be spliced into. I found this out while helping someone figure out which wire to splice into on the ecu for their a/f readout. It ended up being the wire that gets a reading from the 2 sensor. That's why I'm wondering how the a/f mixture is now...if the ecu has adjusted anything because of this mod. I guess I'll find out soon enough when I go get a a/f read out.

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
not sure if this helps...but the number two has to be spliced into to give a/f readings when people install an a/f meter. I thought it was strange and had first thought the first one was the one that needed to be spliced into. I found this out while helping someone figure out which wire to splice into on the ecu for their a/f readout. It ended up being the wire that gets a reading from the 2 sensor. That's why I'm wondering how the a/f mixture is now...if the ecu has adjusted anything because of this mod. I guess I'll find out soon enough when I go get a a/f read out.

Yeah, your right about the 2nd sensor and providing A/F readings. Just not sure how the ECU does compensate and if what bioevolve said has some effect on the incomming fuel?? Does anyone know if there is a fuel compensation made in the ECU for readings in the CAT?

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
Yeah, your right about the 2nd sensor and providing A/F readings. Just not sure how the ECU does compensate and if what bioevolve said has some effect on the incomming fuel?? Does anyone know if there is a fuel compensation made in the ECU for readings in the CAT?
yeah, good question, I bet hondata would know. I just don't understand why we can't tape into the ecu wire that gets the 1st sensor a/f readings for a a/f gauge...it seems to me that it would make since to get that reading, since that's the first sensor getting the a/f readout when the 2nd sensor is after the exhaust has gone through the cat...I don't get it :confused:

[bioevolve]

Guess Sensor #2 gives the final decision to the ECU.

11/13/03 = No CEL yet. :D

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by bioevolve


11/13/03 = No CEL yet. :D

Good to hear. Thanks:D

[SinisterCivicSi]

i emailed someone on ebay thats sellin one of these too, he said its supposed to give 12-17hp more (but no dyno info on that). i would be very curious to see this on a dyno...anyone up for it?

lemme know how you think it is perfomrance wise, i have seriously been thinking of getting one...but i dont if its not worth it. i already have a dc header, aem sri, and skunk2 catback now....

[bioevolve]

I will be going the clubrsx meet/gathering at Cybernationmotor sports on the November 22 (Saturday) starts @ 10am : Steve and some other EP'ers will be giong also. So I will get a dyno run or 2 while I'm there. $10 per run that day, only for ClubRSX members at that price (so any EP'ers wanna a $10 dyno runs, sign up on clubrsx.com). Hopefully many other Ep'ers will be there.
Only one prob with my dyno results, I have added many things since my last dyno run. So there will be a big jump in gains (I hope lol).

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
I will be going the clubrsx meet/gathering at Cybernationmotor sports on the November 22 (Saturday) starts @ 10am : Steve and some other EP'ers will be giong also. So I will get a dyno run or 2 while I'm there. $10 per run that day, only for ClubRSX members at that price (so any EP'ers wanna a $10 dyno runs, sign up on clubrsx.com). Hopefully many other Ep'ers will be there.
Only one prob with my dyno results, I have added many things since my last dyno run. So there will be a big jump in gains (I hope lol).
not too mention you have a type s motor :D
I guess I'll go soon after I get it....still not here.

I dynod at 149 whp with cai/hp header/comptech exhaust in July.

When I go this time, I will have cai/hp header/2.25 midpipe and the down pipe...not exactly a good way to get a comparison, but if there is a really good gain, I guess that will help me know if this setup is good.

[02SilverSiHB]

:D :cool: :* got mine in today. I checked it out, and it is just about 2.3" in diameter for the piping. It looks mandrel bent to me, not like that cheap crush bent mid pipe I have :p

I was wishing I got it sooner today, I'm going to this Dining out thing, got a suit on and shit :D I wanted to jump out of it and start slapping this thing on :p I'll just wait till tomorrow..then hopefully sometime next week I'll get a dyno

gotta love the packing
http://a5.cpimg.com/image/D9/7A/26065625-8324-01800200-.jpg

Such a beaut :D
http://a6.cpimg.com/image/C6/7A/26065606-c71a-02000180-.jpg

[myeverlovinsir]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
[B]:D :cool: :* got mine in today. I checked it out, and it is just about 2.3" in diameter for the piping. It looks mandrel bent to me, not like that cheap crush bent mid pipe I have :p

I was wishing I got it sooner today, I'm going to this Dining out thing, got a suit on and shit :D I wanted to jump out of it and start slapping this thing on :p I'll just wait till tomorrow..then hopefully sometime next week I'll get a dyno



Excellent, looking forward to mine. Your dyno results are gonna show what reasonable gains can be had in comparison to what I have, except for a few other add-ons I have. Thanks:D

[bioevolve]

Yeah, my package was beat to hell also. Typical UPS lol.

No CEL 11/14/03

But I did run over an item in the road that was unavoidable and put a nice dent in my EVO midpipe:mad: :'(

[Jpax]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Yeah, my package was beat to hell also. Typical UPS lol.

No CEL 11/14/03

But I did run over an item in the road that was unavoidable and put a nice dent in my EVO midpipe:mad: :'(

Road KILL ?

:'(

[bioevolve]

Peice of concrete laying in the middle of the raod, no shoulder to the right and traffic coming on the left going 55+mph. I just cringed and closed my eyes. The car ahead of me had no prob going over it, by the time I saw it was to late.:( :'( :yellm:

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Yeah, my package was beat to hell also. Typical UPS lol.

No CEL 11/14/03


LOL, yeah, the first thing the ups guy said was "they packaged it wrong" not a "hello sir, you have a package"

[Bruce02si]

Hey whats up i got my the same day as you on the 11th put it on that day, a few problem though first, i tried to do it myself not a good idea, a lift is needed so went to a shop, the guy got the stock off fine but the when he took off one of my o2 sens. it spun off and crack the outside casing but he riged it back so it ok now then when he placed it all on the flange on the hp header it didnt hook up perfectly so he striped it then he re taped it then it wouldnt grab then finally it was on. ran great for a little while pulls big in 5-7000rpm then the CEL went on i dont think it does anything but piss me off. Oh yeah my package looked the same also crapy taiwan cardboard
so how bad is it the the CEL is on performance? or worse

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Originally posted by Bruce02si
Hey whats up i got my the same day as you on the 11th put it on that day, a few problem though first, i tried to do it myself not a good idea, a lift is needed so went to a shop, the guy got the stock off fine but the when he took off one of my o2 sens. it spun off and crack the outside casing but he riged it back so it ok now then when he placed it all on the flange on the hp header it didnt hook up perfectly so he striped it then he re taped it then it wouldnt grab then finally it was on. ran great for a little while pulls big in 5-7000rpm then the CEL went on i dont think it does anything but piss me off. Oh yeah my package looked the same also crapy taiwan cardboard
so how bad is it the the CEL is on performance? or worse

that mechanic sounds like a hack.
he broke your O2 sensor (probably a $100+ part) and then stripped the threads on your header.

[bioevolve]

More than likely it's the mechanics fault, you must wait till the exhaust cools (cold) before extracting anything off of it and use some penetrator fluid. The stress to break them loose sometimes can be high and hard on the sensor shell. Your CEL is more than likely from the damaged O2 sensor. Maybe not but you won't know till you get a new sensor.

SENSOR #1 Dealer List $256.40 Majestic Honda Sale $192.29
SENSOR #2 Dealer List $256.40 Majestic Honda Sale $192.29

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by bioevolve
More than likely it's the mechanics fault, you must wait till the exhaust cools (cold) before extracting anything off of it and use some penetrator fluid. The stress to break them loose sometimes can be high and hard on the sensor shell. Your CEL is more than likely from the damaged O2 sensor. Maybe not but you won't know till you get a new sensor.

SENSOR #1 Dealer List $256.40 Majestic Honda Sale $192.29
SENSOR #2 Dealer List $256.40 Majestic Honda Sale $192.29

Damn, will have to make sure not to damage one of those. Dang thats expensive.

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

You can get a universal O2 sensor for about $75.00.

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Hey, If anyone gets a chance can you take a picture of the part after driving for a few days to see if the chrome finish stands up to the heat OK in the short term.

Thanks!

[bioevolve]

I will take a pic tomorrow, forgot to look at it today. Just got back from gas station for some cigz.

No CEL 11/15/03.

[fsugatorbait]

Got mine on today, pretty much a strait pipe with a honey comb filter lining the inside of the 'cat' only filtering the air going to the o2 sensor, :) good design. As far as gains, its by far made the biggest difference when compared to the gains after adding I/H/E. Drove it for about 45 min with no CEL. So far so good. :)

[andy]

Cool, glad to see no CELs yet. I went ahead and ordered one (buy it
now, 100 shipped from a "carparts2003", I think it's the same as
built4race) so I'll try to give updates/pics when I install it (might
be pre-thanksgiving...but we'll see).

[Bruce02si]

so you all think its not the high flow that makes a CEL? you think its the damaged o2 well i saw him do it and it cracked the outside part of the connetor the other side not the sensor side the part where they click together and lock not the actuall sensor its just the weather protector right and i drove like 2 days not light all the sudden a light mabe i'll just unplug and reset and hope it was a fail or mabe i should go to the shop talk some shit and get them to but a new one? i dunno the cat is illigal anyway they could say no to the whole thing they didnt wanna do it in the first place it is $3000 fine for install these for the shop to pay gimme some in put on that and adam most likly the chrome will stay shiny for the most part but the 600+F will make it start to yellow and dark spots will appear when you splash up water when its hot it happened to my flashy POS dc cat back but who cares all go and no show

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by Bruce02si
so you all think its not the high flow that makes a CEL? you think its the damaged o2 well i saw him do it and it cracked the outside part of the connetor the other side not the sensor side the part where they click together and lock not the actuall sensor its just the weather protector right and i drove like 2 days not light all the sudden a light mabe i'll just unplug and reset and hope it was a fail or mabe i should go to the shop talk some shit and get them to but a new one? i dunno the cat is illigal anyway they could say no to the whole thing they didnt wanna do it in the first place it is $3000 fine for install these for the shop to pay gimme some in put on that and adam most likly the chrome will stay shiny for the most part but the 600+F will make it start to yellow and dark spots will appear when you splash up water when its hot it happened to my flashy POS dc cat back but who cares all go and no show
yeah man, they fucked up your o2 sensor. I have a hp header and had no problems fitting the down pipe on. I have no cell and drove around like mad all day today.

I installed mine myself and was quite easy, just had to buy another o2 sensor socket...lost my other one.

As for the performance, it feels pretty good, but it's wet here right now, so I can't say much since I spin out all the damn time when I think I found a dry spot in the road :p

The sound is a tad raspy at first, but the more I drive it the more it goes away. I freaked when I first turned the car on because of all the damn smoke coming out, went away after I let the car idle for a while.

I also noticed that the hanger doesn't hit anything like it did on bioevolve's car, I think it might have something to do with him having the k20a2??? not sure why, but I assume that's it, or it's just the one he got.

[bioevolve]

That smoke is your exhaust breathing now, cleaning out all the build up from slow flow hehehehe.;)

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Originally posted by Bruce02si
so you all think its not the high flow that makes a CEL? you think its the damaged o2 well i saw him do it and it cracked the outside part of the connetor the other side not the sensor side the part where they click together and lock not the actuall sensor its just the weather protector right and i drove like 2 days not light all the sudden a light mabe i'll just unplug and reset and hope it was a fail or mabe i should go to the shop talk some shit and get them to but a new one? i dunno the cat is illigal anyway they could say no to the whole thing they didnt wanna do it in the first place it is $3000 fine for install these for the shop to pay gimme some in put on that and adam most likly the chrome will stay shiny for the most part but the 600+F will make it start to yellow and dark spots will appear when you splash up water when its hot it happened to my flashy POS dc cat back but who cares all go and no show

Well the difference between this and the DC cat back is that the DC cat back is Polished Stainless and this is a crappy chrome "coating" which I tend to beleive will flake off after a few days. The reason I want to know before I put mine on is because I may just get it ceramic coated first, saving me alot of work in the near future cuz I cant stand to have a rusty part, even if its UNDER my car...LOL.

Oh yea, as far as your O2 sensor goes, I bet what is happening is either:
(a) water got into the connector, or
(b) you have a bad connection now
I would reccomend you either have them buy you a new one or just hardwire the O2 sensor (bypass the clip), but be sure to SOLDER it and use heatshrink, otherwise you'll have the same problem.

[SinisterCivicSi]

you guys are giving me super good info on this part...i am seriously thinking of getting one now. Probablly going to be a self install too, doesnt seem that hard to do. Julie, can i use your tools one day when i get it? lol (living with parents right now - they FREAK when i do shit to my car)

I would love to see a dyno on this part, just to see the gains. I know its going to be different with a i/h/e as opposed to a stock engine, but its good to see sometimes. I have heard a range from 5+ hp & torque to 12-15+
does anyone know the "brand" it is? one seller on ebay said his was from "Megan Racing" and i have someone else checking another brand for me.

[bioevolve]

About a total of 5hrs of driving in 4 days. Here are 2 pics of it now. Sorry the pics are not that great, lighting sux. Plus laying on my stomach with just my arms under the car.
The piping has changed colors like statinless steel. But resonator is still the same color.
11/16/03 No CEL.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p94ca4b4381c5e73eb05d76501a6398ab/fa8c403a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/pc4f23969e925a09e29180cbe8cb6fe9d/fa8c4060.jpg

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Originally posted by bioevolve
About a total of 5hrs of driving in 4 days. Here are 2 pics of it now. Sorry the pics are not that great, lighting sux. Plus laying on my stomach with just my arms under the car.
The piping has changed colors like statinless steel. But resonator is still the same color.
11/16/03 No CEL.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p94ca4b4381c5e73eb05d76501a6398ab/fa8c403a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/pc4f23969e925a09e29180cbe8cb6fe9d/fa8c4060.jpg

Hmmmmmmm...I would shit myself it was actually stainless...I should know by like Tues. when mine arrives....

[civic hatch boi]

Originally posted by Suk02Si
Yeah dude, let's both drive down there and get 'em for 60 bucks :D

hit me up too gary!!!

[STP03BlueSI]

Originally posted by ADAMnQuickCIVIC
Hmmmmmmm...I would shit myself it was actually stainless...I should know by like Tues. when mine arrives....


It does look stainless...but hard to tell.

[raiyo]

It could be stainless, I dunno. Here's a link and the dude said it's stainless.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33629&item=2443211256

[02SilverSiHB]

yeah, this is stainless, imo. I it doesn't have that cheap chrome look to it at all.

hey bioevolve or anyone else with this part...do any of you get a raspy sound with the down pipe? I think it might just be an exhaust leak somewhere, I didn't use any gasket sealant like bioevolve did.

[bioevolve]

At first I did, but it's gone.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
At first I did, but it's gone.
how many days...if you can remember...did it take to go away. I've only had mine on since Saturday afternoon

[bioevolve]

The first minute or 2 when I cranked it. Then the I guess, the sealant expanded and sealed it up.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
The first minute or 2 when I cranked it. Then the I guess, the sealant expanded and sealed it up.
ah, damn, guess I'll have to get some of that sealant then and try that. thanks man

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
ah, damn, guess I'll have to get some of that sealant then and try that. thanks man

What is your header and exhaust setup?

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
What is your header and exhaust setup?
I have a hp header, mid pipe (2.25") and injen cai

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
I have a hp header, mid pipe (2.25") and injen cai

No axle back? putting pressure on the rest of the exhaust. You trying to keep back pressure up for low end? lol

[anjapower]

factory muffler flows fine...

How would you guys rate this testpipe + shorty header vs. a race header like the JR one?

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by anjapower
factory muffler flows fine...

How would you guys rate this testpipe + shorty header vs. a race header like the JR one?

I wouldnt say that for turbo or N2O :p

I'm not one to say anything about any race header, since I never had one, but this is a cheap alternative to it for less than half the price.:D

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
No axle back? putting pressure on the rest of the exhaust. You trying to keep back pressure up for low end? lol
:rolleyes: stock muffler of course

[MyBlkSI]

Damn Bio still no CEL? now I want it.....

[fsugatorbait]

CEL came on after an 1hr with the test pipe on. Im thinking I might try pullin the 2nd sensor to try and wrap some sort of filtering substance around it to try and fool it for a while, or just remove the CEL light in the dash all together. Oh well, I kinda expected the light to come on sooner or later, its the price we pay for performance. :)

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
CEL came on after an 1hr with the test pipe on. Im thinking I might try pullin the 2nd sensor to try and wrap some sort of filtering substance around it to try and fool it for a while, or just remove the CEL light in the dash all together. Oh well, I kinda expected the light to come on sooner or later, its the price we pay for performance. :)
what did the cel come on for? you might want to check the reason before doing that. I've been running my car like crazy..autocrossing and the usual drive like a mad man since Saturday and it has been fine.

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
what did the cel come on for? you might want to check the reason before doing that. I've been running my car like crazy..autocrossing and the usual drive like a mad man since Saturday and it has been fine.

I just ordered the palm software for monitoring ODB II cars. It should be here by the weekend, so Ill know for sure then. As for the installation there were no problems, so I know the o2 sensors are ok, I noticed it came on after I idled for a while in a parking lot for about 15 min. I think ill reset the ECU and see how long it takes to come on again. BTW there was no difference in performance before/after the CEL came on, so that answers the question about if our cars adjust for the CEL. Ill keep you guys updated.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
I just ordered the palm software for monitoring ODB II cars. It should be here by the weekend, so Ill know for sure then. As for the installation there were no problems, so I know the o2 sensors are ok, I noticed it came on after I idled for a while in a parking lot for about 15 min. I think ill reset the ECU and see how long it takes to come on again. BTW there was no difference in performance before/after the CEL came on, so that answers the question about if our cars adjust for the CEL. Ill keep you guys updated.
I spoke to soon :D my damn cel just came on when I went back to work after lunch...I noticed that it sounds more raspy, as if there is a sealant problem. I need to rebolt the bolts and use some of that liquid sealant bio used...I'm hoping that's the reason the cel came on. But if it is the o2 sensor detecting theres no cat or that it's malfunctioning, you are right...there is no different in performance. I've had no problems while driving it. No bogging, no running rich...still feels awsome!

I know what a car feels like when the car is running rich due to an o2 sensor....it runs like utter shit! But not this car! runs good still.

I need to see if there is a plug to jump like I did in my 97 EX...there was a plug I could jump with a wire that went to the ecu, then turn the car to on and the cel would flash...then you count the flashes and compare that to the service manual and it would tell you the problem...if not, then I guess I'm going to end up buying something like you have.....do you have a palm pilot already and then bought the software separate? how much and where did you buy it?
Thanks,

[andy]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

I need to see if there is a plug to jump like I did in my 97 EX...there was a plug I could jump with a wire that went to the ecu, then turn the car to on and the cel would flash...then you count the flashes and compare that to the service manual and it would tell you the problem...if not, then I guess I'm going to end up buying something like you have.....do you have a palm pilot already and then bought the software separate? how much and where did you buy it?
Thanks,

02Silver, check out honda-tech. There was some discussion a while back
on whether you could/could not do this on the k-series. Probably would
make a good write up (hint, hint) if you can. ;)
Also, I think you can head to an Autozone or Pepboys, one of them will
scan your ODB-II and give you the code for free.

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

I need to see if there is a plug to jump like I did in my 97 EX...there was a plug I could jump with a wire that went to the ecu, then turn the car to on and the cel would flash...then you count the flashes and compare that to the service manual and it would tell you the problem...if not, then I guess I'm going to end up buying something like you have.....do you have a palm pilot already and then bought the software separate? how much and where did you buy it?
Thanks,


No, I remembered awhile back bioevolve posted one of his famous threads ;) about where he bought the software. So I searched and went from there. I got the software off ebay, and got a Palm Pilot M515 to run it from ebay as well, the software was $190 and the pilot was about $170 or so. It looks like an extremely handy tool, gives you read out from all your sensors, 1/4 mile, 0-60, the ablility to clear check engine codes, pretty much an onboard monitor, plus they sell a GPS setup for the pilot thats about $120. :D I love toys.:D

[Bruce02si]

See i dont beleive that the CEL dosnt effect performance my shit was monstrous sounding from 5-7 now the light on i dont feel it i think it makes the car run the leanest it can safely because it is a emmission code it would make sence that honda would do that sort of things does anyone know about this trick sensor that cybernation has i heard its part of there elf magic ecu they give you with the set beacause i think this will fix out CEL prob because mabe it disnt do anything i think it does and that light just agravates me looking at it

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
No, I remembered awhile back bioevolve posted one of his famous threads ;) about where he bought the software. So I searched and went from there. I got the software off ebay, and got a Palm Pilot M515 to run it from ebay as well, the software was $190 and the pilot was about $170 or so. It looks like an extremely handy tool, gives you read out from all your sensors, 1/4 mile, 0-60, the ablility to clear check engine codes, pretty much an onboard monitor, plus they sell a GPS setup for the pilot thats about $120. :D I love toys.:D

It is a much better tool than the regular scan tool and more versitle.

Got my Lug nuts today but, the bastard sent me 1.25 thread pitch instead of 1.5 tp pissed me off.

11-17-03 No Cell.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
11-17-03 No Cell.
you suck :D

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
you suck :D

Maybe because I have less restrictive exhaust system and or JDM ECU?
Or maybe cuz of TB big bore or JDM IM hand polished?
Or Nology Hot wire kit burning the fuel more efficiently?
I don't know, to many variables.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by andy
02Silver, check out honda-tech. There was some discussion a while back
on whether you could/could not do this on the k-series. Probably would
make a good write up (hint, hint) if you can. ;)
Also, I think you can head to an Autozone or Pepboys, one of them will
scan your ODB-II and give you the code for free.
I haven't checked there yet, I'll check in a second...but I was reading through my service manual, and there is a read out of MIL's (Malfunction Indicator Lamp). Now if there is a read out and it shows the number of flashes next to each detection...there's got to be a way. So I look at the bottom and it says when it's lit, you can jump the SCS (Service Check Signal) with a Honda PGM Tester...all a PGM tester is, is a connector that jumps a connection..just like using a wire that I would use for my previous civic. So then I tried looking through to find this SCS..only thing I've come across so far is the wire, it's pin number 29 in connector 31P E of the ecu. I found the wire, but it's getting me all confused. I'm used to finding a connector then jumping it with a wire...like I did with my older car. But this is a wire going into a connector to the ecu...if I take out the connector the cel, of course goes away. So I'm not sure if I need to splice into the wire or not, or follow it back to where ever the hell it goes, and hopefully find a connector to jump.
For those interested in the CEL codes:
http://members17.clubphoto.com/hill728301/1776969/owner-2761.phtml

[Mugen_EP]

Keep us posted Mike. I had a group buy for 10 of these damn things but am holding off until this whole CEL issue gets taken care of.

[andy]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Maybe because I have less restrictive exhaust system and or JDM ECU?
Or maybe cuz of TB big bore or JDM IM hand polished?
Or Nology Hot wire kit burning the fuel more efficiently?
I don't know, to many variables.

Hmmm...I kind of forgot about this (mainly the JDM ECU). My guess is
that it's much, much more lenient about exhaust issues. Dang.

Oh well, time for 02 simulator fix. :)

[STP03BlueSI]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Maybe because I have less restrictive exhaust system and or JDM ECU?
Or maybe cuz of TB big bore or JDM IM hand polished?
Or Nology Hot wire kit burning the fuel more efficiently?
I don't know, to many variables.


Does Japan have emissions? So then the ECU might play a huge part in the Cell light.

What does that JDM ECU help u with RPM's?

[fsugatorbait]

Im thinking of solutions to get the CEL to go off the easiest way possible. Does anyone know of a thin material that can be wrapped around the o2 sensor that would fit into the housing to help filter more of the air? I have an old K&N filter that I thought I could cut up and just use the cloth material to wrap around. Anyone have anyother ideas?

Also, Im getting a nice little raspy sound out of the exhaust that I cant stand.:mad: I dont have a gasket between my b-pipe and axel back because it pretty much fell apart when I took the exhaust off my old car, could this be part of my problem?
Bioevolve, what is the sealent in the tube that you have been using called? and would you recommend also applying some of it on the donut gasket between the header and downpipe? Anyone have anyother suggestions to rid my car from this 'rice' noise?:o

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
Im thinking of solutions to get the CEL to go off the easiest way possible. Does anyone know of a thin material that can be wrapped around the o2 sensor that would fit into the housing to help filter more of the air? I have an old K&N filter that I thought I could cut up and just use the cloth material to wrap around. Anyone have anyother ideas?

Also, Im getting a nice little raspy sound out of the exhaust that I cant stand.:mad: I dont have a gasket between my b-pipe and axel back because it pretty much fell apart when I took the exhaust off my old car, could this be part of my problem?
Bioevolve, what is the sealent in the tube that you have been using called? and would you recommend also applying some of it on the donut gasket between the header and downpipe? Anyone have anyother suggestions to rid my car from this 'rice' noise?:o
I have that same "rice" sound at a certain rpm when cold. It goes away a little after warming up, but it's still there...it's not there all the time while driving, just at about 4-5k rpm then goes away under WOT. I'm hoping something like that liquid gasket will fix the problem, it sound like a slight exhaust leak, and when the exhaust gases travel faster it creates that noise as it is escaping. Once and a while, when I get out of the car while it's running and no surrounding noise is around, I can hear some exhaust leak...sounds like it's actually coming from the midpipe to down pipe area of the gasket. I used the provided gasket, but I guess there's still a leak somewhere?

As for the CEL thing, I tried taking a wire to jump pin number 4 (SG2 Ground/pink) and pin number 29 (SCS/brown) on connector E 31P. It didn't work, no flashing cel to tell me what's going on. I'm still confused as how to get this to work..there has to be a way, I just don't know why the manual would provide MIL's if there wasn't a way.

Also, the down pipe has changed to gold..here's some pics...one of the pics it's hard to tell that it changed gold, but in person, you can tell without a doubt
No flashlight, but flash used from camera
http://a5.cpimg.com/image/17/D7/26203415-1644-02000180-.jpg
Flashlight used with the flash from the camera also:
http://a6.cpimg.com/image/0E/D7/26203406-61f4-02000180-.jpg
Downpipe to header
http://a5.cpimg.com/image/0D/D7/26203405-d0c3-02000180-.jpg
No problem with hanger hitting car
http://a9.cpimg.com/image/11/D7/26203409-2b55-02000180-.jpg

[02SilverSiHB]

oh, and I went ahead and reset the cel. Hasn't came back on...Bruce02si: I think maybe if you car is running kinda like crap, it could be the primary o2 sensor that was damaged. When I had the cel go on for me, there was no change in performance...and trust me, I would know if it was in limp mode..I had my 97 EX do that, that thing ran rich as hell, gas mileage went down and it bogged at low rpms

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

As for the CEL thing, I tried taking a wire to jump pin number 4 (SG2 Ground/pink) and pin number 29 (SCS/brown) on connector E 31P. It didn't work, no flashing cel to tell me what's going on. I'm still confused as how to get this to work..there has to be a way, I just don't know why the manual would provide MIL's if there wasn't a way.



I think you are missing the Honda PGM tester, whatever this little tool is?

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
I think you are missing the Honda PGM tester, whatever this little tool is?
it just a plug that goes into another plug..on the end of the pgm plug there is a loop of wire...it's the same as taking a wire and sticking it in the plug...jumping it. I did this with my older civic. worked everytime

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
it just a plug that goes into another plug..on the end of the pgm plug there is a loop of wire...it's the same as taking a wire and sticking it in the plug...jumping it. I did this with my older civic. worked everytime

Yeah, I remember on my MR2 it was as easy as jumpering a wire in the ECU to read out the MIL codes from the # of engine light flashes. Not sure what honda has done.:confused:

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by STP03BlueSI
Does Japan have emissions? So then the ECU might play a huge part in the Cell light.

What does that JDM ECU help u with RPM's?

Dont know about their emissions, More likely it does help with CEL.
8400-8600 Rev Limit, smoother vtec engagement, better fuel mapping. But it's for the A2 and A.

I was getting CEL's (reading rich) way before test pipe and JDM ECU, since I have put both on, no CEL.

O2 SIM Click here (http://casperselectronics.com/cgi-local/store/commerce.cgi?product=IMPORTS)

If not, try www.cybernationmotorsports.com

[02SilverSiHB]

damn, I got some red rtv sealant..I'm letting it settle in right now, we'll see if that helps my problem of the rice sound I get. It's off and on....but when it is ricey sounding, it's fucking embarrassing! :o

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by Mugen_EP
Keep us posted Mike. I had a group buy for 10 of these damn things but am holding off until this whole CEL issue gets taken care of.
chunky was telling me over on honda-tech that the cel can be checked by jumping the connector just under the driver side dash...once I get another cel light (reseted it) I'll try jumping some of the connections in that connector...it will be harder, as the connector is quite different.

Either way, I think we will all get a cel eventually, I guess, but who knows, it could have been an exhaust leak and that was why I got the cel...

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Got mine today.
Hopefully get it on tomorrow.
:D

[02SilverSiHB]

well, I found out yesterday that the rice sound I'm getting isn't the down pipe...it's the axle back area. djsolution got in front of my car looked under the hood while I revved it, and he said it's solid up front, no problems. Then he got in the back and he said it's clear as day that it's coming from the back. I think I know why...when I installed the downpipe, I went ahead and adjusted my midpipe's height by putting the exhaust hanger near the midpipe/axle back area a little higher...so maybe it's not sitting right. I'm just glad it's not the downpipe

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
well, I found out yesterday that the rice sound I'm getting isn't the down pipe...it's the axle back area. djsolution got in front of my car looked under the hood while I revved it, and he said it's solid up front, no problems. Then he got in the back and he said it's clear as day that it's coming from the back. I think I know why...when I installed the downpipe, I went ahead and adjusted my midpipe's height by putting the exhaust hanger near the midpipe/axle back area a little higher...so maybe it's not sitting right. I'm just glad it's not the downpipe

Good to hear and not good to hear lol.

[myeverlovinsir]

I got mine in today. Seems to have the same raspyness at certain rpms. There are no leaks, however the exhaust resonates more and creates a 'rice' sound occasionally. I guess a resonator on the midpipe may calm it down, but at the sacrifice of power. I will live with it for the time being anyways. I did notice that the butt dyno likes it though. I had a friend pump the gas a few times to see if there was any added smoke or fumes coming out the back. This was just after it went on and could not see anything. Seems quite clean. No cel so far after driving it all day. :crosses fingers: ;)

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Good to hear and not good to hear lol.
yeah, I'm still fucked I guess. I just readjusted the exhaust hanger back to the way it was before the install...then I even used some more red rtv gasket sealant, and it still does it! I don't get it. I need to have someone rev the car while I check to see where it's at. I'm getting really sick of it...or maybe it's just the way it is, and the reason you don't hear is because of your greddy evo.

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait

Bioevolve, what is the sealent in the tube that you have been using called? and would you recommend also applying some of it on the donut gasket between the header and downpipe? Anyone have anyother suggestions to rid my car from this 'rice' noise?:o

Sorry, I didn't see your question.
Red RTV High Temp Sealant.
Yes, put sealant on doughnut gasket and to mid pipe end.

Some people use aluminum foil around the O2 sensor, but I think that wouldn't last very long and blow off in the exhaust. Need something to to close most of the slits in the O2 sensor to get a lesser reading.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Yes, put sealant on doughnut gasket and to mid pipe end.

I guess I can try putting it at the mid pipe...I didn't try that yet.

[Mugen_EP]

http://www.casperselectronics.com/cgi-local/store/commerce.cgi?product=IMPORTS

Scroll down to bottom of page.

I also will be testing a cheaper ($20-$25) solution on Sat. I'll keep you guys posted.


-Tony

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by Mugen_EP
http://www.casperselectronics.com/cgi-local/store/commerce.cgi?product=IMPORTS

Scroll down to bottom of page.

I also will be testing a cheaper ($20-$25) solution on Sat. I'll keep you guys posted.


-Tony
thanks, I'll probably get that if I can resolve this ricey raspy sound I get with the down pipe now....I hate to get rid of the down pipe, but shit, this sound is kind of embarrassing

[02SilverSiHB]

by the way, here is a vid of me driving with the downpipe on..you can hear the sound I think in this vid...sorry for the crazy vibration look, it was a temporary mount of the cam :D

RIGHT CLICK SAVE TARGET AS (http://www.imagestation.com/video/view.html?id=4202835048&dl=1)

[BlackNRedSi]

VERY NICE TONY!!!! GOOD FIND!!!! ;)

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1127/csmimg/1127p3a.jpg

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by Mugen_EP
http://www.casperselectronics.com/cgi-local/store/commerce.cgi?product=IMPORTS

Scroll down to bottom of page.

I also will be testing a cheaper ($20-$25) solution on Sat. I'll keep you guys posted.


-Tony

I posted that link on page #9 already lol.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
I posted that link on page #9 already lol.
shit, how'd we miss that :D

[Mugen_EP]

Originally posted by bioevolve
I posted that link on page #9 already lol.

duh, sorry Rich...didnt see that:p

[my02si]

Ok, I read all the posts and I didnt see anything. Did this get rid of the horrible sulfur smell?????
Thanks, Josh

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by my02si
Ok, I read all the posts and I didnt see anything. Did this get rid of the horrible sulfur smell?????
Thanks, Josh ??? horrible sulfur smell????? I never had anything like that with my car.

Did anyone watch the vid? what do ya think?

[Mugen_EP]

Nice vid, next time roll your windows up to keep the air rushing in from blocking the motor sound.:p Oh, and next time could you roll by my moms house and record my family for a bit....I miss them.;) :D She lives off of 410 & Old Pearsal Rd.

Oh and I dont think the sound you are hearing is a leak. Most cars that put on a straight pipe suffer from this. Now I am comparing this to the B-series motors since I have not yet experienced a K-series with a straight pipe.....yet. ;)

Hope everything works out ok for you and I will keep you guys posted on my progress here on the west coast.

-Tony

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by my02si
Ok, I read all the posts and I didnt see anything. Did this get rid of the horrible sulfur smell?????
Thanks, Josh

That smell is usually from the cat mixed with bad high octane gas. Yes it will get rid of rotten egg odor from the exhaust. lol.

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Regarding that video, I only heard the raspiness in the beginning of the LOOOOONG video, does it go away once the car warms up? Because mine does that now even w/o the HF cat...it's caused by my non-resonated midpipe.

[my02si]

Oh sweet I am getting one now!!! Thanks B

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by ADAMnQuickCIVIC
Regarding that video, I only heard the raspiness in the beginning of the LOOOOONG video, does it go away once the car warms up? Because mine does that now even w/o the HF cat...it's caused by my non-resonated midpipe.

I agree. The midpipe is what is whats sounding rice now, because of the less restrictive flow. I drove to work this morning and only get a slight raspyness at certain rpms. It really depends alot on resonating freqs. and how hard you tramp on it. I may test out my stock midpipe to see what that does.

[Jpax]

Hum, well you were driving faster then the posted speed limit of 35 mph, i will not tell on you. :D cool vid though .

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by Mugen_EP
Nice vid, next time roll your windows up to keep the air rushing in from blocking the motor sound.:p Oh, and next time could you roll by my moms house and record my family for a bit....I miss them.;) :D She lives off of 410 & Old Pearsal Rd.

Oh and I dont think the sound you are hearing is a leak. Most cars that put on a straight pipe suffer from this. Now I am comparing this to the B-series motors since I have not yet experienced a K-series with a straight pipe.....yet. ;)

Hope everything works out ok for you and I will keep you guys posted on my progress here on the west coast.

-Tony
no way, I didn't know you had family over there :D I'll make another vid with the windows up...the rice sound is almost gone...I guess that rtv sealant is working :D The sound is barely noticeable now. But I think you are right, there's no real way around it. I'm just glad it's not near as bad as it was.

[bioevolve]

11-21-03 No Cell.

This test pipe is Stainless Steel, pics below.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p5cf3dec3cf8543d67e291d1c9d7aa3b9/fa80bb00.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p9573733c7bd46f0c860e4a66c45ad735/fa80baba.jpg
EVO is slow to change color also.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p542edf66c0fafb5f6b7c37fa924bfac7/fa80ba71.jpg
Here is the Concrete in the middle of the road damage :mad: Dent in the bend.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p0c80cddf88831a62a79bea6af3026500/fa80ba88.jpg
Another dent.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p41d7e20887e26adaca4b0180dab9796e/fa80ba9d.jpg
I need a new resonated mid pipe (not Greddy version nor Stock version) anyone got one for sale?

[02SilverSiHB]

so bio, you don't get any ricey type of sound at all?

[bioevolve]

No ricey sounds, just exhaust is slightly louder.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
No ricey sounds, just exhaust is slightly louder.
I guess the wimpy mid pipe doesn't help :( I wish I had kept the damn comptech I had. :'(

[myeverlovinsir]

After driving a few hun today, I did notice that the 'rice' sound seemed to taper quite nicely. I belive it's all due to the midpipe and how the exhaust is now being resonated by the increased flow. I have my ebat test pipe hanging on a rubber mount, as most do. The rest of the exhaust, midpipe and muff are solely hanging on one rubber hanger. This allows it to vibrate(resonate) when pushed. I really like the sounds when its not making a raspy noise. I don't think it's going to go away totally, but there should be some small fix here that could help other than throwing in a resonator on the midpipe. Any suggestions? I fear that making a fixed mount at the rear will accentuate the raspyness of it. Not sure. :confused:

I did get my first cel today, removed the battery cable and have not had it since. Also I have not reset my ECU for quite some time with Hondata and noticed a nice change.:D

[ADAMnQuickCIVIC]

Tuesday mine will be installed (next day off).
Hope I don't get a C.E.L. cuz nothing annoys me more.

[02SilverSiHB]

the cel comes back quicker the more it stays on. it's now to where if I reset the ecu, it comes back on within about 3 hours

[andy]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
the cel comes back quicker the more it stays on. it's now to where if I reset the ecu, it comes back on within about 3 hours

Interesting. Sounds like we'll need that 02 sim after all...how about
it affecting the performance? Any problems driving with the CEL?

[andy]

Just a bump to see if the CEL's have affected performance/driving
at all yet. Mainly aimed at 02Silver, but I know a few others have
this.
Reason I ask is because I'll be installing some crap tomorrow night/Wed.
morning, then driving 8-9 hours, and obviously don't want to get
stuck on I95 or anything like that (traffic will be bad enough, I'm
sure).

[myeverlovinsir]

I got the first cel and it seems to be gone after a reset. I have driven 3 days since the reset.

[02SilverSiHB]

I've been running with the cel for days now...no difference in performance on the butt dyno, but I still plan to buy the o2 simulator to get rid of the cel...I can't stand having it there.

[bioevolve]

Exhaust tip is building up more blask sout (no cat filteration;) ) Bumper is getting some on it :( .
11-26-03 No Cell. It's the JDM ECU:rolleyes:

[02SilverSiHB]

mine's for sale
http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25063

[myeverlovinsir]

Oh well, I haven't had a cel since the first one. Go figure. If it does start showing up again and/or all the time I will take it off too, but won't bother with trying to sell it, just not that expensive to buy new. I also noticed that the raspyness is quite infrequent now, not near as often as it was when it first went on. Still gonna see how the stock midpipe works out.

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
Oh well, I haven't had a cel since the first one. Go figure. If it does start showing up again and/or all the time I will take it off too, but won't bother with trying to sell it, just not that expensive to buy new. I also noticed that the raspyness is quite infrequent now, not near as often as it was when it first went on. Still gonna see how the stock midpipe works out.
yeah, my 2nd cel took a week I think to come on, after that, it was non stop when I reset it :D Either way, it doesn't seem to affect performance from what I've noticed.

[andy]

OK, need to make this quick, but I installed this same "hi flow cat"
last night (along with AEM CAI and Comptech cat-back). Piece looks
really nice, it's a perfect fit, etc.

No real "raspy" sound, but since the Comptech went along with it that's
pretty much all I hear (louder than I thought it would be, it has
an RSX-S tip installed on it). I did smell some funky-ness after
running around for 10 minutes after installing, though. Been better
today.

Limited driving so far (50 miles, max), since I installed coilovers
today and spent most of the day doing that instead of driving up to
NC. Dumb = me. Anyway, no CEL yet, but limited driving so far.

Favorite part about this mod:
"...Let's keep that on the down low, she ain't exactly street legal."
Frank the Tank, Old School ;)

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by andy


Favorite part about this mod:
"...Let's keep that on the down low, she ain't exactly street legal."
Frank the Tank, Old School ;)


Hahahahahaha, thats the best movie ever...

[andy]

I know, I love that flick.

Update: CEL came on (I wish it said "Check Engine Light, instead of
that funky symbol") after about 300-400 highway miles. No noticeable
loss in performance, but I wonder if it isn't dumping more fuel or
something. I only got about 240-250 miles per tank (granted, when I'd
fill up I'd only put in 8-9 gallons) on the trip up, but that may be
due to the fact I was going 80-90 and now have a bigger exhaust. I
dunno.

I'll try to get some pics tomorrow.

[David K.]

Just installed mine today; definately pulls harder from 5k up. Very slight increase in noise under heavy throttle, almost like air rushing through or an exhaust leak. I'll check on that tomorrow. Anybody else notice this noise?

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by andy
No noticeable loss in performance, but I wonder if it isn't dumping more fuel or something. I only got about 240-250 miles per tank (granted, when I'd fill up I'd only put in 8-9 gallons) on the trip up, but that may be due to the fact I was going 80-90 and now have a bigger exhaust. I dunno.



I noticed the same problems as soon as my CEL came on and was wondering the same thing, gas mileage has significantly dropped on the last two tanks since the pipe went on.

[02SilverSiHB]

I think you guys are getting less mpg, because you have a new mod and punch the gas more ;)
I never noticed any difference in gas mileage. I drove normal one tank and it was the same as before the test pipe...I use 93 octane...not that it matters

[dobiejoe]

Did you happen to check the car on a dyno with the OEM cat and again with the new test pipe?
I was looking at some reports earlier about test pipes and that if its inner diameter is larger then 2.25 you will loose some Torque due to lack of back pressure. But this was mostly talking about A3 engines. But I really don

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
I think you guys are getting less mpg, because you have a new mod and punch the gas more ;)
I never noticed any difference in gas mileage. I drove normal one tank and it was the same as before the test pipe...I use 93 octane...not that it matters

Same here, my old girl only sizzurps on the 93 but noticed about a 30-50 mpt decrease in the last two tanks and ive been careful with my driving only runnin her hard when I have too :). I got the palm in with the dyno-scan software and will monitor to see if anything changes when the CEL comes back on.

[02SilverSiHB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dobiejoe
[B]Did you happen to check the car on a dyno with the OEM cat and again with the new test pipe?
I was looking at some reports earlier about test pipes and that if its inner diameter is larger then 2.25 you will loose some Torque due to lack of back pressure. But this was mostly talking about A3 engines. But I really don

[andy]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
Same here, my old girl only sizzurps on the 93 but noticed about a 30-50 mpt decrease in the last two tanks and ive been careful with my driving only runnin her hard when I have too :). I got the palm in with the dyno-scan software and will monitor to see if anything changes when the CEL comes back on.

fsu, let me know how that turns out (the palm software). Does it
read A/F ratio? Or exhaust temp? That might give us a clue (you might
have to reset ECU, test, then test with CEL on as well).

I took my car to Honda yesterday for an oil change. The service guy
(not the tech) was like "Well, the CEL is because your catalytic
converter is non-existant. I don't know why you'd do that on a brand
new car...blah blah blah". lol. I wanted to talk to a tech guy, to
see if they'd know what would happen with the CEL (i.e. run rich
or not), but I didn't get the chance.

[andy]

One more update.
I continued to get sub-par (sort of) gas mileage on the highway, from
NC to FL. I would get about 240-250 per tank and I'd fill up about
9 gallons when it got close to E - so I was getting about 25-26 miles
per gallon, I guess, which isn't *that* bad since I was doing ~90 most
of the time.

When I got back in town, I was around long enough to drive about 50 miles
on the highway and another 230 or so on the street. Got about 280 miles
on the tank on that one. Didn't fill it up the whole way at the next
stop, but I'm starting to think that it was just the high revs/speed
and not the cat that was causing the gas mileage difference. So
hopefully we're good there.

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by andy
fsu, let me know how that turns out (the palm software). Does it
read A/F ratio? Or exhaust temp? That might give us a clue (you might
have to reset ECU, test, then test with CEL on as well).



Andy, the software doesnt give you A/F ratio's becuase we dont have a MAF sensor. It does give reading for both o2 sensors though which is pretty helpful. Im gonna try and save a graph of a sample of both o2 readings and try to get it from the handheld to my comp to upload as a pic to show.
As for the CEL, I reset my ecu to get the light to go off then hooked up the palm to see if it was still reading a DTC. There was a pending code in the ECU that would eventually cause the CEL to come back on. I drove around for about another day and let the light come back on, then cleared the code with the software and to date (apprx. 4 days) I havent gotten another CEL or even a pending code. Not sure what that means but ill keep an eye on it.
Bioevolve if you have comments or suggestions that you could give me regarding the DTC's or hints that you have figured out over the course of you playing with the software id like to hear about them.
Ill keep you guys posted.

[DJLJS32]

Has any1 tried that yet?

If so let us know how that works.

[myeverlovinsir]

Originally posted by DJLJS32
Has any1 tried that yet?

If so let us know how that works.

Haven't had to yet, my ride seems content with the new cat. hmmm

[fsugatorbait]

Still no CEL after reset with palm software (6 days and counting).

[andy]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
Still no CEL after reset with palm software (6 days and counting).

fsu, what's the latest update? I'll be going home Friday, wondering
if I should order a 02 fix and install that this weekend, or just
reset the ECU and go from there...

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by andy
fsu, what's the latest update? I'll be going home Friday, wondering
if I should order a 02 fix and install that this weekend, or just
reset the ECU and go from there...

I got the light at about 10 days. its a better fix than resetting the ECU because even though you reset it, it still stores the code in a 'pending' folder and then retests for a specific time period before you get the CEL again. Racerdre is working on a o2 sim fix, ill pm you when I hear back from him on the progress. What o2 fix did you have in mind?

[simione]

I have the megan racing cat and I purchased the caspers electronics o2 sim and i love it. it was so easy to install. It was just plug and play. I have had it on the car for almost 3 weeks and no cel. I haven't measured gas mileage yet but it seems to be about the same or even a little better.

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by simione
I have the megan racing cat and I purchased the caspers electronics o2 sim and i love it. it was so easy to install. It was just plug and play. I have had it on the car for almost 3 weeks and no cel. I haven't measured gas mileage yet but it seems to be about the same or even a little better.

Sounds great, keep us posted with the CEL. Where did you get it from and how much?

[andy]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
I got the light at about 10 days. its a better fix than resetting the ECU because even though you reset it, it still stores the code in a 'pending' folder and then retests for a specific time period before you get the CEL again. Racerdre is working on a o2 sim fix, ill pm you when I hear back from him on the progress. What o2 fix did you have in mind?

I was thinking either the RacerDre one, or one I had seen on clubrsx.

simione, also wondering about where you got it from? Is this the one you ordered? (79.95) (http://www.casperselectronics.com/cgi-local/store/commerce.cgi?product=HONDA)

[simione]

Originally posted by andy
I was thinking either the RacerDre one, or one I had seen on clubrsx.

simione, also wondering about where you got it from? Is this the one you ordered? (79.95) (http://www.casperselectronics.com/cgi-local/store/commerce.cgi?product=HONDA) Yes this is the one that i ordered. Kinda pricey but i don't mind paying for the option of plug and play. I bought it from a shop in apopka called velocity resources. (407-464-4680) They had 6 in stock when i bought mine. The product is high quality. Lets just hope that i never get a cel, that would piss me off.

[fsugatorbait]

Simione:
How is the o2 sim coming along? Anything that you've noticed since you've been running it. How long have you had it on for without the CEL now? Thanks.

[simione]

Originally posted by fsugatorbait
Simione:
How is the o2 sim coming along? Anything that you've noticed since you've been running it. How long have you had it on for without the CEL now? Thanks.
Its running great! I have had no problems and no cel since installing it and it has been about a month now. I love the way that car feels up top and a really think that gas mileage is a tad bit better. I did notice a little drop in the low end tq after installing the megan cat but i guess thats just because there is no restriction now. FSU did you notice a little loss in low end when you put the cat on? I am just curious. if you have anymore questions please feel free to ask.

[fsugatorbait]

Yah, I did lose some of the low end tq, but what we gained with the test pipe up top more than makes up for it. Im definately going to be ordering the sim to get rid of the engine light now that its been at least 4 weeks or so for yourself without a CEL. Good to hear we have an option. Thanks bro. :)

[djsolution]

Just to reinforce simione's experience, I've had the caspers o2 sim on for about 300 miles with no CEL. Good product!

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by djsolution
Just to reinforce simione's experience, I've had the caspers o2 sim on for about 300 miles with no CEL. Good product!

Im runnin past 1k and no CEL here either. :)

[beansbear]

sorry if i missed it but what ever happened to the resistor thingy someone was working on? i think it was Mugen_ep?

[fsugatorbait]

Originally posted by beansbear
sorry if i missed it but what ever happened to the resistor thingy someone was working on? i think it was Mugen_ep?

It was racerdre, I pm'd him a couple times, he said he was in the process of testing it, but never got back to me and stopped returning PM's. Judging by the lack of communication on his part, my bet is it didnt work.

[03EP3Si]

I have a CEL and i need that 02 Sensor tricker. where can i get one.

[andy]

Originally posted by 03EP3Si
I have a CEL and i need that 02 Sensor tricker. where can i get one.

There are numerous links in this thread for that 02 sensor. Use
those, or go to casperselectronics.com, IIRC.

FYI, I'm also at 1K+ miles and still no CEL. fsu and I got ours
at around the same time.