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myeverlovinsir
11-12-2003, 03:23 PM
I just spoke with Doug from Hondata about obtaining the flash for the Race version of the JRSC. Currently the Base JRSC can be had from Nopi for $2912.00 (everything included). The race version and boost levels are still not finalized with hondata/JR. I was told it will be out in the next 3 weeks. The race flash from hondata will include larger injectors, and a MAP sensor relocator. ($795.00 for existing customers) The Race JRSC is gonna run you $900.00 more than the base version. ($3812)


Not sure how this compares to turbo, but I don't want to live under a hood either. My best guess at power levels are in the 240 hp range, which is not far off from the CN turbo.
One conflicting issue was both Hondata and JR say they are supplying the larger injectors for the Race version????

I also brought up the chance that I may throw a type-S head on it as well. JRSC and Hondata both think that it would be a unique setup and may require additional tuning. Doug suggested that you could run the type-S head with the JRSC and use the type-S/JRSC flash. Only downfall would be the compression would be a little lower. Will tackle that one another day.:D

02SilverSiHB
11-12-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
I just spoke with Doug from Hondata about obtaining the flash for the Race version of the JRSC. Currently the Base JRSC can be had from Nopi for $2912.00 (everything included). The race version and boost levels are still not finalized with hondata/JR. I was told it will be out in the next 3 weeks. The race flash from hondata will include larger injectors, and a MAP sensor relocator. ($600.00 for existing customers) The Race JRSC is gonna run you $900.00 more than the base version. ($3812)

So all told before installation, which I plan to do myself, it will run about $4412. Not sure how this compares to turbo, but I don't want to live under a hood either. My best guess at power levels are in the 240 hp range, which is not far off from the CN turbo.
One conflicting issue was both Hondata and JR say they are supplying the larger injectors for the Race version????

I also brought up the chance that I may throw a type-S head on it as well. JRSC and Hondata both think that it would be a unique setup and may require additional tuning. Doug suggested that you could run the type-S head with the JRSC and use the type-S/JRSC flash. Only downfall would be the compression would be a little lower. Will tackle that one another day.:D
whoa, something doesn't make since to me....the race setup from jrsc will run me 900 and you just said that includes a hondata reflashed ecu, relocated map sensor to the im, and bigger injectors...but for you...you have to pay the same amount, but then fork out 600 more for another flash...just because you have a flash already?

44xx is way too much imo. I know it will be easier to install and all, but you'll still need to eventually upgrade the clutch/pressure plate...that's more $$$$.

But then again, I guess the price isn't too bad, since a decent mechanic like yourself can install it...yourself. so that saves money right there for the clutch/pressure plate...not to mention that you don't need time on the dyno when hondata gets the flash out...so shit, yeah, that is a good deal....but what about that pricing you mentioned...seems off

02SilverSiHB
11-12-2003, 08:30 PM
basically, I was saying that is should only cost 3512 for you....
2912 for the base, but then add 600 since you are an existing customer...while the non customers pay 300 more than you (900 over the base jrsc for a total of 3812)

myeverlovinsir
11-12-2003, 09:12 PM
I wish, I don't have the gratitude from JR as I do from Hondata at this point. I will have to pay $4412 all told to get the Race version in my ride. The only savings is that in Hondata eyes I am an existing customer and save about $195.00 because I am an existing customer. Your right there is not much of a saving here if I was bone stock and I don't expect Hondata to make up any difference. The problem is that I am first out of the gate with JRSC and they don't know me from Adam. Shame but everyone must pay one way or another.:eek:

1abSi
11-12-2003, 09:22 PM
ok something isn't adding up...if you buy base jrsc...and have hondata already you should be able to get the upgrade for 600making it 3512, and if you don't have hondata already then it should be 3812....what the heck am i missing....you got to pay 1500 for the race upgrade??????? that would be insane!!! imho

Tenacious G
11-12-2003, 09:22 PM
240 whp? is this with I/H/E? i thought on Little Oscar's post several weeks ago they were looking at 210-ish whp for the race version? i'm guessing the were able to tweak some things to squeeze out more ponies. after reading some threads on Club RSX, JRSC owners were saying larger diameter exhausts were really helping out, especially when paired with the Race Header.

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Tenacious G
240 whp? is this with I/H/E? i thought on Little Oscar's post several weeks ago they were looking at 210-ish whp for the race version? i'm guessing the were able to tweak some things to squeeze out more ponies. after reading some threads on Club RSX, JRSC owners were saying larger diameter exhausts were really helping out, especially when paired with the Race Header.
yeah, I wouldn't expect more than 210 to 220 with only 5lbs of boost on a jrsc...240 is wishfull thinking with only i/h/e.



Originally posted by 1abSi
ok something isn't adding up...if you buy base jrsc...and have hondata already you should be able to get the upgrade for 600making it 3512, and if you don't have hondata already then it should be 3812....what the heck am i missing....you got to pay 1500 for the race upgrade??????? that would be insane!!! imho

I ditto that! I still don't get where he is adding up the extra 600 for...it's like because he has a NA modified ecu, hondata has to work harder to remodify it to the boosted application??? that still wouldn't make since, it takes like 15 minutes for them to attach the ecu to the computer and load the new profile...I say lie about having the hondata NA flash and just pay 3812...why the hell pay 4412...that doesn't make since.

This is what I understand from what I read on myeverlovinsir's first post:


Situation 1: Have an ep with no hondata flash and want the race version and pay 3812

Situation 2: Have an ep with no hondata flash and want the street version and pay 2912

Situation 3: Have an ep with hondata flash, but want the race version and pay 3512 since it's only 600 more than the street version and you are a hondata customer.

Situation 4: Have an ep with hondata flash, but want the street version and pay 2962. 50 bucks more to have it reflashed to stock

So myeverlovinsir...where are you getting the extra 600 added to your total of 3812 for the race version? you already have hondata, so they should hook you up for 600 above the street kit which would total 3512.

shit, I'm just going to call or email hondata and have them striaghten this twilight zone theme up...jkindle was saying the same thing...but it doesn't have any logic to it to pay freaking 44xx bucks

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 11:32 AM
I don't see why your confused????

BASE JRSC from NOPI: 2912.00
RACE JRSC from NOPI: 3812.00 (900 more)

Hondata for base JRSC: 0.00
Hondata for RACE JRSC: 600.00 (because I am an existing customer) $795.00 for non existing customers

Grand total for me: $4412.00;)

Another thing is the boost levels and Hondata tuning is not completed, Hondata has not even tested a car with the race version. So don't go by any quotes or numbers about what output will occur. 240hp is doable.:eek:

1abSi
11-13-2003, 12:04 PM
doooooooooooooooooood i am stil confused as hell..."The race flash from hondata will include larger injectors, and a MAP sensor relocator"...so that is what the extra 900 is for to add onto the base correct? why would the race not come with that stuff...i thought that is what the race was...just the flash with injectors and the relocator...maybe i am retarded but i am lost as hell
EDIT: i see how you are saying the price of the race version plus the 600 to flash....but i thought the whole point in the race version was the flash...i mean what the hell is the difference in the race and street withough the flash and new injectors??????

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
I don't see why your confused????

BASE JRSC from NOPI: 2912.00
RACE JRSC from NOPI: 3812.00 (900 more)

Hondata for base JRSC: 0.00
Hondata for RACE JRSC: 600.00 (because I am an existing customer) $795.00 for non existing customers

Grand total for me: $4412.00;)

Another thing is the boost levels and Hondata tuning is not completed, Hondata has not even tested a car with the race version. So don't go by any quotes or numbers about what output will occur. 240hp is doable.:eek:
okay, yeah, I'm even more confused now...holy shit, this driving me crazy :*
When I see: BASE JRSC from NOPI: 2912.00
I think just a compelete JRSC from JR that's it, no ecu upgrade, no injectors...etc.

When I see RACE JRSC from NOPI: 3812.00 (900 more)
I think a JRSC that comes with a flashed ecu from hondata (as long as I send in my ecu), injectors and map relocator

Then when I see Hondata for base JRSC: 0.00
I get extremely confused...is this the base kit with a flashed ecu only (nothing else, no injectors, etc) for free!?

Then when I see Hondata for RACE JRSC: 600.00 (because I am an existing customer) $795.00 for non existing customers
That confuses the shit out of me....the race kit already has the hondata upgrade.....why they hell is there a 600 added or for non members 795? you just mentioned that it was 900 extra for the race kit...which would include hondata flash, injectors and map relocator.

I understand the 600 to be for you since you are a hondata cutomer...instead of the 900 for us for the race kit....that makes since.

So are you saing that the RACE JRSC from NOPI: 3812.00 comes with nothing extra? and that's why you are paying 600 for the upgrade to injectors, ecu, and map relocator???? if so, why the hell bother with the race kit if it doesn't come with anything....

on JRSC they say that the base kit comes with nothing, but the usuall...where as the race kit comes with the ecu, injectors,and map relocator, and stays at the stock boost of 5lbs:
http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/partsnew.html

So if that is true, the race kit is 3812 and no reason to add 600

So do you see why I'm confused?

And hondata has tested it, hondata himself posted about it, I'll find it later, but here is the dyno:
Race kit:
http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/details/detailjr/images/03%20Civic%20SI%20Race%20SC.gif
Street kit
http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/details/detailjr/images/03%20Civic%20SI%20Street%20SC%20.gif


EDIT: shit! I think I see what's going on with those dynos....the 206 is with the JR header put on! damn that's good! JRSC needs to update their site, their info is off, and that may tell me why I'm confused with what you are saying...here's is their dyno for the race header on the JRSC with intake and exhaust:
http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/details/detailjr/images/SI%20Header%20Dyno.gif
They have 3 dynos...one race jrsc, one street and one race header dyno....the race header and race jrsc are the same thing. I don't know why they are doing that. So I can see that bigger gains can be had once the hondata upgrade is made on top of that 206whp. myeverlovinsir...I think we have been getting some screwed up info and that is why we are confused.

street kit includes the usual stock blower stuff for 2912
race kit from jrsc includes???? what? a race header and something else for 900 extra? The hondata upgrade for the race JRSC is 600 for you (795 for us) and includes the injectors ecu and map relocator...am I on the right track now...sorry for the confusion.

sniperSI
11-13-2003, 12:34 PM
jeezus you guys are killing me here, someone make a database or something.

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by sniperSI
jeezus you guys are killing me here, someone make a database or something.
LOL,no kidding, I think I know what myeverlovinsir is saying now...some of other people were mis lead into thinking the race kit from jrsc was including the ecu upgrade, injectors, and map relocator. I guess it wasn't...the race kit must be the header and some fuel management/map controller of theirs.

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 12:44 PM
okay myeverlovinsir...don't hate me okay :D....just trying to figure this confusion out


JR junior says that the race kit comes with an ecu upgrade, then hondata replies saying that people with the current hondata flash will need to upgrade to the race version or go back to stock version....that to me implies they are working have been with the JRSC and the race version comes with an upgrade for the ecu
http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17892&highlight=hondata

but even this jr guy didn't know half the shit that was going on with the JRSC, as he was in college most of the time.

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 12:49 PM
Well thanks for breaking it down for me. I wonder if Doug is also confused. I suspect your right about the race version including the flash, injectors and Map relocator. He quoted me $795 first for the race upgrade then said because I was an existing customer it would be $600, NOPI is charging 900, but as you said that will include their race header and piggy or whatever they have done to date (without Hondata)

I am gonna call back NOPI and Doug tonight to clarify things more.
It makes sense now, that I would get the base charger for $2912, do the install, then upgrade to the Race version when it's released through Doug. I hope this is the case. Just wondering if the race setup also will include a larger pulley for more boost. According to Hondata they may up the boost when they test and tune, hence the larger power. If I choose to go with the JR Race version (Headers etc.) than mabey there is more to be gained once hondata tops it off. Still have a few questions here that need to be answered. Thanks for your help.

I know JR has dynos of what they say is a race version, but I spoke to Doug about that, he has not set eyes on a Race setup yet, so I guess in the next few weeks we will know what the final numbers are.

Hondata
11-13-2003, 12:53 PM
Arrrrggggh.

You guys are jumping the gun on everything. The tuning for the race version has not been done. A little bit of prototyping has been done.

Lets look at what the RSX customers pay.

If you are an existing RSX-S customer of ours we will have your ECU's serial number in record.

In this case the reflash upgrade to the JRSC race version will be $795 and includes bigger injectors and a map sensor relocator. This is available from any Hondata dealer.

If you are not an existing Hondata customer, we will not have your serial number on record. Then the price will be about $1100 give or take what the various dealers charge it out for

1abSi
11-13-2003, 01:31 PM
yeah i knew i wasn't goin looney....yeah so it would be the base plus the extra for the race...and not the 4400 unless they make us pay the same as the rsx guys cause i think 4k is a lil steep for this charger....i mean that was the price of the vortech for the bseries and it was justifyable cause it was a different charger and made more power...and as far as upping the boost...i haven't seen anything like that for the rsx yet...but regardless i think i will stick with the street version when the money is finally saved up....wait awhile for the race....

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Hondata
Arrrrggggh.

You guys are jumping the gun on everything. The tuning for the race version has not been done. A little bit of prototyping has been done.

Lets look at what the RSX customers pay.

If you are an existing RSX-S customer of ours we will have your ECU's serial number in record.

In this case the reflash upgrade to the JRSC race version will be $795 and includes bigger injectors and a map sensor relocator. This is available from any Hondata dealer.

If you are not an existing Hondata customer, we will not have your serial number on record. Then the price will be about $1100 give or take what the various dealers charge it out for
ahhhhhhh, thanks :D this was driving me nuts! so basically it is going to be close to 4100 or so for the JRSC and when we upgrade with you guys...2912 (give or take) for the JRSC and 1100 or so for the upgrade..which we will go through hondata for, not JR.
Thanks for the response.

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by 1abSi
yeah i knew i wasn't goin looney....yeah so it would be the base plus the extra for the race...and not the 4400 unless they make us pay the same as the rsx guys cause i think 4k is a lil steep for this charger....i mean that was the price of the vortech for the bseries and it was justifyable cause it was a different charger and made more power...and as far as upping the boost...i haven't seen anything like that for the rsx yet...but regardless i think i will stick with the street version when the money is finally saved up....wait awhile for the race....
yeah, seems steep, but 2912 for the JRSC isn't bad. The injectors are probably going to be RC eng injectors (????hondata????) or something like that...which are about 90 a piece..then we would need the clips to convert (I assume), which would be an extra 20 bucks are so for the set of clips. So that's like 360(injectors)+20(injector clips)+ like 720 I guess for the hondata and would equal to the 1100 price that hondata mentioned...really that isn't bad. Seeing how the ecu will be upgraded specifically for our car with the JRSC...that means no time on the dyno since it's tuned already...more of a standalone, no apexi afc or any crap like that. Much safer, imo. I think I'm going JRSC if this is the case.

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
Well thanks for breaking it down for me. I wonder if Doug is also confused. I suspect your right about the race version including the flash, injectors and Map relocator. He quoted me $795 first for the race upgrade then said because I was an existing customer it would be $600, NOPI is charging 900, but as you said that will include their race header and piggy or whatever they have done to date (without Hondata)

I am gonna call back NOPI and Doug tonight to clarify things more.
It makes sense now, that I would get the base charger for $2912, do the install, then upgrade to the Race version when it's released through Doug. I hope this is the case. Just wondering if the race setup also will include a larger pulley for more boost. According to Hondata they may up the boost when they test and tune, hence the larger power. If I choose to go with the JR Race version (Headers etc.) than mabey there is more to be gained once hondata tops it off. Still have a few questions here that need to be answered. Thanks for your help.

I know JR has dynos of what they say is a race version, but I spoke to Doug about that, he has not set eyes on a Race setup yet, so I guess in the next few weeks we will know what the final numbers are.
so with what hondata said, you should be able to get up to about 230whp with the JRSC at least with the hondata and race setup that jrsc used...hopefully.
JR still hasn't worked on a boost upgrade for the JRSC. If I were you though, I'd not go over 7 or 8 with the JRSC...anymore and it's too much on the blower and more heat is generated...just my .02
I had a JRSC before on my EX, damn thing got hot with 10lbs of boost :D

Edit: oh and there are two ways to upgrade the boost on the jrsc...the crank pulley or nose pully. I believe JR will advise using an upgraded crank pulley, they usually do...then other companies will probably make some nose pulleys to up the boost.

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
so with what hondata said, you should be able to get up to about 230whp with the JRSC at least with the hondata and race setup that jrsc used...hopefully.
JR still hasn't worked on a boost upgrade for the JRSC. If I were you though, I'd not go over 7 or 8 with the JRSC...anymore and it's too much on the blower and more heat is generated...just my .02
I had a JRSC before on my EX, damn thing got hot with 10lbs of boost :D

Edit: oh and there are two ways to upgrade the boost on the jrsc...the crank pulley or nose pully. I believe JR will advise using an upgraded crank pulley, they usually do...then other companies will probably make some nose pulleys to up the boost.

I think the first thing is to get the base version. Should be a straight forward install, about 6-8 hrs from what JR said. Because I have Hondata now, I think I would have to go back to stock ECU for the street version of JR to run properly. In that case I have really no choice but to wait for the upgrade to Hondata race ECU and do it all together.

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
I think the first thing is to get the base version. Should be a straight forward install, about 6-8 hrs from what JR said. Because I have Hondata now, I think I would have to go back to stock ECU for the street version of JR to run properly. In that case I have really no choice but to wait for the upgrade to Hondata race ECU and do it all together.
yeah, good idea...on a side note...this ass hole Matt from Hondata can kiss my ass! He sends me back this smart ass email when I asked him to help us out on the info:
"Unless you get information straight from the proper source you cannot expect it to be valid"

I'm thinking...gee, thanks :rolleyes: that's going to help sells through hondata. :rolleyes:

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
yeah, good idea...on a side note...this ass hole Matt from Hondata can kiss my ass! He sends me back this smart ass email when I asked him to help us out on the info:
"Unless you get information straight from the proper source you cannot expect it to be valid"

I'm thinking...gee, thanks :rolleyes: that's going to help sells through hondata. :rolleyes:

I have spoken with Matt as well, I tend not to get the best answers from him. Doug is the smartest cookie in the jar by far, however he is also the glue in that shop so if you can bend his ear for a few minutes its gold.

I wanted to find out more about what JR is offering and they seem to be flaky as well. It's been a long wait thus far and I am looking forward to being one of the first to run this setup. One thing about JR is that they don't like to deal directly either and it's hard to get a good feel for things unless you are already a customer. Then again I've heard some horror stories from the support they provide. I'm hopping to not have any glaring glitches with their product. It seems that NOPI has the lowest price currently for the street version, so I'll probably go through them. The contact I delt with in NOPI is David. He can be reached @ 1-800-689-9307 x265 :)

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
I have spoken with Matt as well, I tend not to get the best answers from him. Doug is the smartest cookie in the jar by far, however he is also the glue in that shop so if you can bend his ear for a few minutes its gold.

I wanted to find out more about what JR is offering and they seem to be flaky as well. It's been a long wait thus far and I am looking forward to being one of the first to run this setup. One thing about JR is that they don't like to deal directly either and it's hard to get a good feel for things unless you are already a customer. Then again I've heard some horror stories from the support they provide. I'm hopping to not have any glaring glitches with their product. It seems that NOPI has the lowest price currently for the street version, so I'll probably go through them. The contact I delt with in NOPI is David. He can be reached @ 1-800-689-9307 x265 :)
yeah, I saw the price on nopionline.com that is pretty good. Overall, I'm still struggling with what I want...turbo or sc :confused:

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 05:09 PM
I was doing some research and saw on this posted page: http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116115&perpage=25&pagenumber=3 they say that using the k24 crank pulley can up the boost..hmmm, interesting :D

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
yeah, I saw the price on nopionline.com that is pretty good. Overall, I'm still struggling with what I want...turbo or sc :confused:

My decision is based on reliability, instant power, little or no tweaking, cost compared to turbo, ease of install, engine longevity and peace of mind. I think that the clutch upgrade is a neccessity for either. I have spent enough to date to have a quick N/A ride, I just want to add to it, put a finishing touch. I think the bored TB mod, high flow cat, header, CAI, Hondata heatshield gasket and flash all contribute nicely to adding the SC. For me to go turbo now would be going in reverse. The only other thing that I may do is throw on the type-S head with an intercooler in the future. Just my opinion.:D

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
I was doing some research and saw on this posted page: http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116115&perpage=25&pagenumber=3 they say that using the k24 crank pulley can up the boost..hmmm, interesting :D

Yeah, so they are getting to 8psi with the k24 pulley. Nice.;)
For us though It would probably be 6-7 and still need tuning to be stable. They were only speculating about using the programmable Hondata. Like he said we will have to wait and see.

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
Yeah, so they are getting to 8psi with the k24 pulley. Nice.;)
For us though It would probably be 6-7 and still need tuning to be stable. They were only speculating about using the programmable Hondata. Like he said we will have to wait and see.
yeah, I wonder how much different out pulley is from the type s then...hmmmmm.

But as for your other reply..you make me want the jrsc with that kind of logic...I mean, shit, I could keep the mods I have now. I sometimes heard though, that a cai isn't as good as a sri with the jrsc...because the jrsc reacts better to the sri since there is less restriction...hhmmmmm

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
yeah, I wonder how much different out pulley is from the type s then...hmmmmm.

But as for your other reply..you make me want the jrsc with that kind of logic...I mean, shit, I could keep the mods I have now. I sometimes heard though, that a cai isn't as good as a sri with the jrsc...because the jrsc reacts better to the sri since there is less restriction...hhmmmmm

Ha, you just reminded me, many months ago I went with the K&N CAI filter which has the high flow end on it. If there was a restriction with the CAI and JRSC, I think I have helped elieviate any.

Edit: I went to try and retrieve the pic but that thread is corrupt, I got some surfer doing wakes instead (shit, looks like it may be PaXiE). Damn database. Anyways the K&N CAI replacement filter is p/n RR-3001

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
Ha, you just reminded me, many months ago I went with the K&N CAI filter which has the high flow end on it. If there was a restriction with the CAI and JRSC, I think I have helped elieviate any.

Edit: I went to try and retrieve the pic but that thread is corrupt, I got some surfer doing wakes instead. Damn database. Anyways the K&N CAI replacement filter is p/n RR-3001
so it helps enough to actually feel that the kn type works better?
I have the same kind as you did with the aem on my injen... I'll have to see if nopi or optauto has a good price on that filter.
Thanks

02SilverSiHB
11-13-2003, 08:42 PM
damn...55 bucks :( http://www.optauto.com/webstore/product_information.asp?number=KN-RR3001&variation=&aitem=2&mitem=3&back=yes&dept=3766
Maybe I'll wait a little bit for that :D

myeverlovinsir
11-13-2003, 08:48 PM
Yep thats the one, on the dyno I swapped out the AEM for K&N and found minimal gains. The true test will be when it's put to the limit and SC starts pumping. My guess is that its filter surface area, because it's greater, will react more favorably than the AEM. Will keep you posted on that. :D

Hondata
11-13-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
a cai isn't as good as a sri with the jrsc...because the jrsc reacts better to the sri since there is less restriction...hhmmmmm

No. Quite the opposite. A SRI increases the intake temps and lower the boost by about 1/2 a pound.

On one turbo RSX I tested, a CAI picked up 35 hp over a SRI. Typically on a supercharged K20A2 series engine a CAI is worth 5-10 hp.

The race upgrade includes a map sensor relocator which is worth about $65.

02SilverSiHB
11-14-2003, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by Hondata
No. Quite the opposite. A SRI increases the intake temps and lower the boost by about 1/2 a pound.

On one turbo RSX I tested, a CAI picked up 35 hp over a SRI. Typically on a supercharged K20A2 series engine a CAI is worth 5-10 hp.

The race upgrade includes a map sensor relocator which is worth about $65.
sweet, thanks :D another reason not to trust someones butt dyno :D

fsugatorbait
11-17-2003, 09:50 AM
This is starting to sound like the best direction for myself, as well as a lot of us, however, I remember that 02silversiHB blew his EX motor with the JRSC becuase it wasnt tuned properly...if we were to get the street version first and wait for the race to come out, is the street version going to require any tuning to get it to run properly with our stock ECU or would an AFC be needed to tune our fuel accordingly?

02SilverSiHB
11-17-2003, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by fsugatorbait
This is starting to sound like the best direction for myself, as well as a lot of us, however, I remember that 02silversiHB blew his EX motor with the JRSC becuase it wasnt tuned properly...if we were to get the street version first and wait for the race to come out, is the street version going to require any tuning to get it to run properly with our stock ECU or would an AFC be needed to tune our fuel accordingly?
just so you know the "race kit" that JRSC talks about is not with the hondata. you can still get the base kit, and then used hondatas upgrade ecu, injectors and map relocater.

and how did you know about my blown EX :D bad experience, but due to bad install, and non tuning.

From what I've read, JR has a better version of it's "fixes" with the street kit, so even if you get the street kit and that's it, I'm sure it will run okay, but the amount of money you'll end up spending to make it run good, you may as well buy hondata's system..it'll probably run cheaper, and you won't have to worry about dyno time, except to see what you are putting to the wheels

fsugatorbait
11-17-2003, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
just so you know the "race kit" that JRSC talks about is not with the hondata. you can still get the base kit, and then used hondatas upgrade ecu, injectors and map relocater.

and how did you know about my blown EX :D bad experience, but due to bad install, and non tuning.

From what I've read, JR has a better version of it's "fixes" with the street kit, so even if you get the street kit and that's it, I'm sure it will run okay, but the amount of money you'll end up spending to make it run good, you may as well buy hondata's system..it'll probably run cheaper, and you won't have to worry about dyno time, except to see what you are putting to the wheels

I thought the race version included the injectors, map relocator and the hondata flash, thats why they were charging apprx. $1100 more for it??? What does the race kit include from JR.
I read about your car in the boost section a while ago, I was leaning towards the SC at the time so it kinda stuck out. Now im back looking at the SC after going back and forth between turbo/swap/JRSC. Theres just too many options to spend our hard earned money on. :D

02SilverSiHB
11-17-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by fsugatorbait
I thought the race version included the injectors, map relocator and the hondata flash, thats why they were charging apprx. $1100 more for it??? What does the race kit include from JR.
I read about your car in the boost section a while ago, I was leaning towards the SC at the time so it kinda stuck out. Now im back looking at the SC after going back and forth between turbo/swap/JRSC. Theres just too many options to spend our hard earned money on. :D
there was a ton of confusion and hondata cleared it up on the bottom of the first page I believe...or was it the second page.

Anyway, the race kit from jrsc had a dc intake, exhaust, and jr race header and put down 205whp...not sure what else it had, but that's all they list, so I'm sure that's it. We were all under the assumption that the race kit was with the hondata ecu, inject., map relocater, etc.

So hondata is still working on finishing the kit for the street kit and I guess it will also work for the race kit...since all the race kit is, is a race header, hence why it wasn't street legal.

also, the price for the rsx's is 795 for the upgraded ecu, injectors, and map relocater...much better price:
http://www.hondata.com/k20a2_jrsc_release.html
Edit...I keep leaving out that the price is for those that already had a hondata flash, so I assume it'll still be about 1100 bucks like hondata said before...and this will be from hondata, not jr.

fsugatorbait
11-17-2003, 12:51 PM
gotcha, that makes sense now. Any idea how long hondata will take to release their flash for the JRSC? With your experience in tuning their superchargers, how much tuning/dyno time would be needed for the JRSC without hondata?

02SilverSiHB
11-17-2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by fsugatorbait
gotcha, that makes sense now. Any idea how long hondata will take to release their flash for the JRSC? With your experience in tuning their superchargers, how much tuning/dyno time would be needed for the JRSC without hondata?
about three hours I guess without...all depends on what's going on with the car and who's doing it. Also you'll have to get other things to tune it, possibly a afc from apexi, maybe never know. You may also need bigger injectors. It all depends. It could end up the street kit for the new si will work just fine.

As for hondata's upgrade, I think they are still working on it and may take about a month or so.

02SilverSiHB
03-16-2004, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
I just spoke with Doug from Hondata about obtaining the flash for the Race version of the JRSC. Currently the Base JRSC can be had from Nopi for $2912.00 (everything included). The race version and boost levels are still not finalized with hondata/JR. I was told it will be out in the next 3 weeks. The race flash from hondata will include larger injectors, and a MAP sensor relocator. ($795.00 for existing customers) The Race JRSC is gonna run you $900.00 more than the base version. ($3812)
4 months later..still no reflash for the jrsc ep and the prices have gone down a good 400 :D

myeverlovinsir
03-16-2004, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
4 months later..still no reflash for the jrsc ep and the prices have gone down a good 400 :D

Not for the EP anyways. I'm glad you brought this up. It reminded me about the MAP sensor relocation. I will need to inquire about that again, and see if it's entirely required for the EP race version(my version anyway) ;)

02SilverSiHB
03-17-2004, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
Not for the EP anyways. I'm glad you brought this up. It reminded me about the MAP sensor relocation. I will need to inquire about that again, and see if it's entirely required for the EP race version(my version anyway) ;)
if you're using that kpro...the a2 versin one...I believe it's necessary, as that version will read the boost from the map sensor and give the ecu the necessary changes under boost..at least that is the way it's been done from my understanding.

myeverlovinsir
03-17-2004, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
if you're using that kpro...the a2 versin one...I believe it's necessary, as that version will read the boost from the map sensor and give the ecu the necessary changes under boost..at least that is the way it's been done from my understanding.

They all use the MAP to determine boost. The upgrade from hondata is just a bracket to relocate the MAP sensor and am not sure if I need to buy it from them yet. Hondata recommends that you buy the street version, and then buy their upgrade kit -> (JRSC reflash, RC 440cc injectors, and MAP relocator, $795)

I'm thinking I should save $$ not getting the JR powercard and not needing the JRSC hondata reflash.

Here is a link to the pulley upgrade (from 4" down to 3.4")

LINK (http://www.jacksonracing.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=41567)

02SilverSiHB
03-17-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by myeverlovinsir
They all use the MAP to determine boost. The upgrade from hondata is just a bracket to relocate the MAP sensor and am not sure if I need to buy it from them yet. Hondata recommends that you buy the street version, and then buy their upgrade kit -> (JRSC reflash, RC 440cc injectors, and MAP relocator, $795)

I'm thinking I should save $$ not getting the JR powercard and not needing the JRSC hondata reflash.

Here is a link to the pulley upgrade (from 4" down to 3.4")

LINK (http://www.jacksonracing.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=41567)
yeah, I know all of that, it's just you said you didn't know if you need the map relocater if you went with the k20 pro that you'll be using...it has to be relocted which is attached the the jrsc which is where the boost is happening at...if you leave it at the tb, hondatas flash will not receive boost signals...there fore not opening your injectors for proper fuel. I actually may not even get the hondata flash for my setup...unless the driveability of the car seems a tad slugish...reason I say this is, unlike most of the installs from jrsc...this power card reads boost and signals the injectors to open up more. It reads boost from an adapter from the IM...before, on my last car, it was just a relay on the iat that was supposed to fool the ecu into think cooler air was coming in..not very good imo.
when you buy the jrsc, it comes with it, so trying not to pay for the powercard would be interesting.

But on the other hand...I cant' really tell from reading that site you gave, but it almost seems that if you get the race kit directly first, you'll get hooked up with a discount since you're not going to use the power card.
It's almost tempting to get the pulley for mine..but I don't want to take the chance. Hondata emailed me back and said the reflash for us a3 guys will be a little down the road still.