Last Mod for the year!

[bioevolve]

Better than stock but not as good as a big brake kit.
BUT WAY CHEAPER THAN A BIG BRAKE KIT.
Besides, with this set up you can run 15" rims for drag.

Brembo Cross Drilled and Slotted rotors F & B $235 shipped - EBAY.com
Russell Stainless Steel Brake Lines F & B $80 shipped - EBAY.com
Hawk HPS Street Pads F & B $117 shipped - Tirerack.com
Totaling $432 for a nice brake upgrade!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pc78e9fa8fde1385697cadf3d5fcdd055/fa5a6c5b.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pbcc9839b0f79ba88ed553eee6f1b1cb2/fa5a6c05.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p6675f17cfa90c21bc2e3933b1eecb6ba/fa5a6d0a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pd038f74b0f2ca554fa032835e1a1ff7a/fa5a6cc0.jpg
Install and write up will be done this weekend :D

[icegrill]

Looks good, only problem is the hubs on the brembos rust like a motherf'r. They make a huge difference in stopping I had them on my eg. ;)

[STP03BlueSI]

Brembos rust really bad?

[mrfixit687]

do you know if they have brembo blanks for our cars? and how much?

[oogy-boogy]

Holy crap....If I see it on an E-Bay SI search, it almost a given that it'll end up on your car..

:)

Nice mods!

[Civicvtec1ps]

Make DIY for all those fun installs ;)

[bioevolve]

These are supposed to be zinc plated for anti rust, but I will paint them anyways. Stockers rust like a mother thou.;)

Yes they sell blanks for the EP's, just contact tirerack.com or the ebay vendors that are selling the drill/slotted, I'm sure they have or can get them. About the same price, if not alittle lower.

Well Ebay has some great prices hehehehe.

I should make a library of all these installs, a book more like it lol. NAH........to much work hahaha.

[civicSIracer]

damn man.. you need your own forum for all the stuff you buy.. lets see some install pics..

[SiR_d1]

nice buys

[andy]

bio,

Let us know how those stainless lines work out. I don't know if I've
seen a DIY on that, or if they even fit exactly or need cutting or
whatever.

Cool mods, stopping power is always a good thing. ;)

[Vertigo]

Bio-

Last mod for the year..i doubt it. What are you going to spend your $$ on now..Christmas presents!

Nice brake upgrade without breaking the bank. My roommate just recived his 13 inch titatium rotors and calipers by ZMI in the mail today. I'll try to get some pics of those bad boys when there on the car!

[VividDreams]

i think that is pretty much the best setup for our cars, big brake kits are overkill unless your EP is an autox'er only.

the only thing i woulda done different is gotten Goodridge lines, cause ive never heard of what you got, and i woulda got either drilled, or slotted, not both, both is 1. overkill, and 2. takes away too much friction surface area, you now have about 30% less friction area that on OEM style rotors. ive actually seen that figure smoewhere, so im not just making it up.

[Loudpedal]

Originally posted by VividDreams
you now have about 30% less friction area that on OEM style rotors. ive actually seen that figure smoewhere, so im not just making it up.
Swept area is the tech. term for the area of the rotor that is "swept" by the pad, and yes having drilled and slotted rotors does reduce this. I think there is a formula somewhere around that will allow you to determine the loss of swept area based on size of rotor, number of slots and/or cross drills.

A nice brake setup for the EP though, without going large dollar.

[VividDreams]

and i totally agree

im just saying, ill prolly go with either/or as far as rotors go, not both

[hernameis?]

keep us posted and once you get them installed. I was planning pretty much the same setup *cept only slotted rotors* once I get to Norfolk. Great buys

[1abSi]

Originally posted by bioevolve


I should make a library of all these installs, a book more like it lol. NAH........to much work hahaha. shit more like a complete series......:cool: any way gawd....another thing to install.....nothing a little shopping can't cure;) and dang man where have you been i haven't talked to you in forever.....let me know how you like those things!

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by 1abSi
shit more like a complete series......:cool: any way gawd....another thing to install.....nothing a little shopping can't cure;) and dang man where have you been i haven't talked to you in forever.....let me know how you like those things!

Everything is going ok nowadays lol.

Brakes are going on in 15 minutes :D , pics will be up soon.

[Civicvtec1ps]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Everything is going ok nowadays lol.

Brakes are going on in 15 minutes :D , pics will be up soon.
Sweet;)
Gotta love FL for that. I cant even stay in garage for 5 mins now. Too cold.
:(

[bioevolve]

Taking off the rear lines.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p18035a38def5a5d15cdf5efd4f902a52/fa4f6ebb.jpg
rear rotors are smaller, not for the EP :( but I dont have time to send back, putting them on anyways lol.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pfaaa4186d0a54526bb12c39f0b8dd66f/fa4f6d41.jpg
Remove caliper,pads,e-brake linkage, caliper braket.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p2e9839025e51f8e278b3cf3112c7838b/fa4f6da2.jpg
Take the Rotor screws out, install line. Caliper piston requires a special tool, but dont have to. Just a thin screw drive, lay it flat against the piston and turn, one direction is up and the other way is down easy.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p067ef6d8dea675400a7aa2d3095b07bf/fa4f6e60.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p4ea0768d9b4ba8560a4906e68663a0e5/fa4f6cd2.jpg
See how much the rear rotors are short, definitly the wrong ones.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p084b35f8ef6f534a46780dd23c46c93d/fa4f7197.jpg
I dont recomend anyone doing this with wrong rotors.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pafd9c7a67dedfbd28191d55fa8454a67/fa4f6e17.jpg

[bioevolve]

Front is the same as rear, but without the e-brake lol. Same size, right one.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p1f92108624197b5ee8ac478bbf456c12/fa4f6bd8.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p857fe06fe157ed33176fae987878e3dd/fa4f6c7e.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pcc19c6f82f6d9d7eccded93726efd6a6/fa4f6c4b.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pad30137aca1de7b7f48feda30c8b4be9/fa4f6c0c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pcb9f3be7e40b2b8eba45777e6e49f2a6/fa4f6b32.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pc7582286cc2e1c644f8cade38f0b5e3e/fa4f6b91.jpg
Finished
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p84d4424369d770b5e062170b266c22d4/fa4f6eff.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/peb683cfe9de60051f33cb153cb6411fd/fa4f6f3d.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p5ae233797efc91050ee2430de65f63aa/fa4f6f8f.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p793b3bf7c402214e0141072df4c47ccd/fa4f6fda.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pf4fb18c2f8eedcc206f1d367878da83a/fa4f70cb.jpg

[bioevolve]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pf2f021cf60c268d00237c108d9a6b064/fa4f7090.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pda5a01a32455ae683bd5a25b1f91552d/fa4f7036.jpg
Poor gloves took a hit for me, they did their job:(
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p8a4b62a1317e05d3409f02c52af2a57c/fa4f7100.jpg


Oh yeah, don't forget to BLEED YOUR BRAKES and don't let the Master Cylinder go dry during the install of the lines and bleeding.;)

FYI: The bleeding sequence for the EP is (1) Front Left (2) Front Right (3) Rear Right then (4) Rear Left.

[oogy-boogy]

Another great write up!


Did you get a chance to take a ride yet? How is it compared to stock?

[Civicvtec1ps]

Will you have any problem with smaller rotors? Nevertheless, new rotors looks nice. I will wait for another new thread 1/01/04
"Look what i got . First mod of the year"
hahaha

[bioevolve]

Have not driven it yet.

With smaller rotor, it might not give any stopping power lol. We'll see ;) But I will change the rear rotor and pads out later next year with the correct ones.

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Oh yeah, don't forget to BLEED YOUR BRAKES and don't let the Master Cylinder go dry during the install of the lines and bleeding.;)

FYI: The bleeding sequence for the EP is (1) Front Left (2) Front Right (3) Rear Right then (4) Rear Left.
I thought the proper sequence to bleed your brakes was (1) Right Rear (2) Left Rear (3) Right Front (4) Left Front. Start with the one farest away from the master cylinder and work your way towards it. But then i have not done it to the EP like you have. That's just the sequence that i have allways used. To each his own..i guess.

[MrCivic03]

i bleed like bio said it works nice... so i want to see what these things perform like now go drivin, hehe. nice mods. like u gonna stop. and why not new brake fluid to add to arsenal??

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by Vertigo
I thought the proper sequence to bleed your brakes was (1) Right Rear (2) Left Rear (3) Right Front (4) Left Front. Start with the one farest away from the master cylinder and work your way towards it. But then i have not done it to the EP like you have. That's just the sequence that i have allways used. To each his own..i guess.

Yeah, that is the normal way to bleed brakes.
But the shop manual says to bleed the new way. Guessing cuz of ABS and EBD Block.

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by MrCivic03
why not new brake fluid to add to arsenal??

Didn't buy any new fluid to put in lol. Just used some Dot3 Honda brake fluid for now, will change to better fluid next year when I get new rear rotor and pads.;)

[bioevolve]

Pedal feel is spongy, guess I will have to bleed them again. Most likely I didn't get all the air out. I did a gravity bleed first, then pedal bleed them 3 times on each corner. I must have alot of air further up the channels lol.

[MrCivic03]

i just some some endless rotors and calipers. they look nice and would fit on ep. will be my mods for brakes soon. but costly like 145 for the fronts on the rotors and slotted are 215 for fronts. and some nice pads too but then again expensive...

[DarkHatch]

PLease let us know how much of a difference this stuff made because I am considering you setup. Thanx

[bioevolve]

1 week of driving.
Front, normal, but alittle dusty on the wheels.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p3e635d9b59e94fe75b992f93487ac804/fa41b4a3.jpg
Rear, abnormal lol. That is what happens when you put the wrong rotors on.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/pb9947489505332e7791c951e0fd10ce0/fa41b472.jpg

Will re-bleed the brakes tomorrow and give a final result.

[STP03BlueSI]

ouch...so how do u fix the rears?

[bioevolve]

Originally posted by STP03BlueSI
ouch...so how do u fix the rears?

Get the right rotors hahahaha. I will next year when I get settled in after the move.:D

[styllinep3]

yeah bioevolve. i saw those on ebay, and noticed that the rear was slightly smaller. i belive they are the previous si rotors cause there rears were smaller. he might not know, and be selling the wrongs ones i would check with him . cause the one guy on ebay that sells the other slotted front rotors and brake bads. told me that brembo doesnt make a rear for our car yet. just a thought

[bioevolve]

OK, Re-Bleed the brakes 5 times each corner. WAY BETTER!
There is a very noticable difference than stock brakes, duh. lol.
Stopping is alot faster and ABS is working like MAD hahahaha. Did test runs up and down the street, 90mph and slamming on the brakes ;) :D It stops very quickly and controlled, ABS and EBD is doing it's job nicely. Did get a few lock up chirps hehehehe. But overall Two Thumbs Up! Would have been better if the rear rotors were the right ones.

FYI: You can bleed 6 times on each corner before refilling the master cylinder when it is on max. (full), before hitting min. mark (low, add some).

[TezGari]

Nice, this looks to be my next mod! :D

If i just upgrade my front (rotors, brake line/pads), will it effect my stopping...Like if i press the brakes uneven brake power distribution?

Thanks, also another question, are these brembo rotors built tuff (like ford lol)...? Will the wholes crack? I know their is no rust because of Zinc...

Thanks!:cool:

i guess when you tell people you have brembo's as your brakes they will be like, "WOW"! Because mainly fancy cars have brembos...

[bioevolve]

Yes, you feel a difference by just changing the fronts. Most of your stopping is done with the fronts. ABS and EBD will adjust the power to each wheel.
I don't know if these rotor will crack or not, we'll just have to wait to find out. These are low end Brembo, nothing like the high end stuff with higher quality material and construction.

[STP03BlueSI]

Originally posted by bioevolve
Yes, you feel a difference by just changing the fronts. Most of your stopping is done with the fronts. ABS and EBD will adjust the power to each wheel.
I don't know if these rotor will crack or not, we'll just have to wait to find out. These are low end Brembo, nothing like the high end stuff with higher quality material and construction.


OH so u purchased the Cheap brembos. Well i guess time will tell.

[bioevolve]

No Rust yet.

[mrfixit687]

cross drilled holes will crack eventually, thats why its better just to get slotted or blanks

[02SilverSiHB]

I was confused why you said big brake kit in the first post :D they are supposed to be stock size...but what did the seller say after you told him the rears were actually smaller?

Also, for those bleeding brakes, I'd suggest speed bleeders :D

[bioevolve]

They are stock size.
They were cheaper than a big brake kit lol.

Seller said, thanks for telling me.:rolleyes:

Yes, speed bleeders are better for bleeding when by yourself ;)

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve
They are stock size.
They were cheaper than a big brake kit lol.

Seller said, thanks for telling me.:rolleyes:

Yes, speed bleeders are better for bleeding when by yourself ;)
damn! what an asshole! he says thanks for telling me :rolleyes: what was the sellers ebay name again?

[bioevolve]

I think it was irotors.com
But can't remember, A couple owns it maybe, Elvis@irotors.com I think.

[USMCSI PT.2]

Dude that is like not that cool that you are driving around with thise small ass rear rotors.

I would be pissed at the seller, braking is one of those kind of total package things, maybe I'm just crazy.:rolleyes:

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by USMCSI PT.2
Dude that is like not that cool that you are driving around with thise small ass rear rotors.

I would be pissed at the seller, braking is one of those kind of total package things, maybe I'm just crazy.:rolleyes:
Yeah, no way in hell would I have put them on...I know it sucks finding shit out after you uninstall everything, but no way, I'd be one pissed mofo

[USMCSI PT.2]

yeah you don't mess around with brakes it's like one of those things on your car that could get you killed.

Please man I have seen brakes go bad before get the right kit for the rear, for all of us here at ephatch.

[02SilverSiHB]

not too mention the rears look like ass in a matter of a few minutes of driving around. It's a sign that they are the wrong size and aren't sitting in there correctly...uneven wear that soon is no good imo

[USMCSI PT.2]

yeah plus instead of just returning the shit now he has to buy new rear everything because he fucky McFucked his rear brake pads now.
All for cheap thrills, ohhh the agony:eek:

[bioevolve]

Yeah, I know. That is why I posted it is not recommended to do that earlier in this thread.:D

I will replace the rear rotors and pads when brembo comes out with rear rotors for our EP's. These are definitely for the 2000 civics and lower.

This is the price we teasters pay for, R & D, Testing, Reviews, Sellers lack of knowlegde or lack of care, etc.

But as I post products and stuff, we as a community, will be better prepared and informed.;)

[02SilverSiHB]

Originally posted by bioevolve


I will replace the rear rotors and pads when brembo comes out with rear rotors for our EP's. These are definitely for the 2000 civics and lower.


yeah, I noticed that tirerack lists only front discs for us

This link might not work
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/results.jsp?scat=Pads&category=Rotors&scat=Rotors&category=BigBrakeKits&scat=BigBrakeKits&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Civic+Si+Hatchback&autoModClar=&autoYear=2003&brand=all&perfcat=perf&x=48&y=12

[Lucid Moments]

Originally posted by bioevolve

I will replace the rear rotors and pads when brembo comes out with rear rotors for our EP's. These are definitely for the 2000 civics and lower.



You might want to check with Sherwin over at Brake Zone. I ordered rotors from him 12/29 for all four wheels so maybe you don't have to wait for brembo

[digitldlnkwnt]

FYI Russell is a hose company, part of Edelbrock. They make top notch DOT approved stainless brakes line and have done so for quite some time. Goodridge is another name synonymous with european racing since they are a british company. Both are good and both should offer great fit and finish. Goodridge does not make lines for u.s. spec ep3 but they do list them for civic r 02-04. I know our cars have different brakes so i wouldnt order those just to find out they dont fit. I would go with the russell lines and speed bleeders along with hawk hps pads and DOT 4 brake fluid. DOT 4 is compatible with our systems and offers a higher boiling temp range. Perfect for trying to stop fast in july.