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RedLight_Si
12-15-2003, 10:29 AM
Does anyone know of any lightweight forged wheels that arent too expensive? Im looking for 15's that weight around 8-10 lbs. I like the Volk TE-37's but they are $300 a piece. Anyone know of any quality wheels that are cheaper than this?

oogy-boogy
12-15-2003, 10:34 AM
You can always grab some Rota's .......Light, but I don't believe that they're forged.

K-Series
12-15-2003, 10:36 AM
The Spoon SW's are light but also expensive as hell. What about the Superlegarras from OZ? What do they weigh?


Steve

anjapower
12-15-2003, 11:03 AM
the only cheaper forged wheel is the SSR competition. You're not gonna have much luck going cheap with a forged wheel.

Mighty_Mouse
12-15-2003, 11:37 AM
SSR Comps are junk though. They don't hold a candle to the TE37s.

Your best bet is to get lightweight cast wheels like Rotas, Enkei RP-F1s (under 10lbs), OZ Superleggeras (the 15s are 11lbs), etc. Forging costs a lot of money because of the equipment, R&D and amount of waste metal associated with it. There's really no way to do forging inexpensively.

BlasTech
12-15-2003, 12:24 PM
The RFP-1s are an interesting wheel, as they're made with a diferent casting process. Im thinking they might be the next ones for me.

Something in the superleggara's design or casting process that makes them strong as similarly sized wheels that weigh 3 lbs more.

If anyone knows any details about why superleggaras are so light, yet still considered strong, please enlighten us!

Mighty_Mouse
12-15-2003, 12:29 PM
Superleggeras are made from a Ti rich alloy, heat-treated and shot peened. All three of those reasons, plus some very good CAD/CAM designing makes them some of the strongest cast wheels available, even with their light weight. I've got a set of 17s on my car right now with some new PZero Nero M+S's.

BlasTech
12-15-2003, 01:21 PM
Ahh, well that explains it. A normal cast wheel cant come close to that wieght without bending easily under the wieght of any car over 2000lbs.

That must explain why the Superleggaras cost more too... I'm starting to like those now :D

anjapower
12-15-2003, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
SSR Comps are junk though. They don't hold a candle to the TE37s.


While they have a bad rap for bending easier than other forged wheels, I would hardly call SSR comps "junk.":rolleyes:

Mighty_Mouse
12-15-2003, 02:38 PM
Just compared to the TE37s that you also mentioned.

C1V1C
12-15-2003, 03:28 PM
but I bent my Superleggera, it still holds the air, but I am not feeling safe driving on it.

Mighty_Mouse
12-15-2003, 03:49 PM
Thanks for sharing. Just think what it would look like if it were a lesser wheel.

Rey
12-15-2003, 04:29 PM
What's a forged wheel? What other types are there?

oldschoolimport
12-15-2003, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Rey
What's a forged wheel? What other types are there? forging is when metal (cold or hot,but still solid) is forced into shape under extreme pressure. semi-solid forging is when a semi-solid (almost molten) block of metal is forced into a die under extreme pressure. casting is pouring molten metal into a die at ambient or low pressure. pressure cast is just that, casting that is then put under extreme pressure. it is stronger than cast, but not as strong as forging.

Mighty_Mouse
12-15-2003, 05:13 PM
Right on all accounts. Don't forget vacuum casting. The liquid metal is sucked upwards into the mold (BBS uses this technique a lot). It results in a wheel that's stronger than low-pressure casting, but not as strong as forging. It's also more easily heat-treated because the vacuum casting process results in less air intrusion into the metal matrix.

oldschoolimport
12-15-2003, 05:15 PM
thats a new on me, thanks for the knowledge;)

BlasTech
12-15-2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by C1V1C
but I bent my Superleggera, it still holds the air, but I am not feeling safe driving on it.

Is it bent on the lip from a curb, or is the whole wheel itself warped a little out of shape?

Rey
12-15-2003, 05:43 PM
How does volk make their wheels?

BSEVEER
12-15-2003, 09:03 PM
What about Velox (http://www.veloxperformance.com/wheel_competition_detail.asp?wheel=pg-rev10&color=s) , they make some nice wheels but some of them seem hard to find.

Mighty_Mouse
12-15-2003, 09:07 PM
Most of Velox's wheels are no good. Cast and very heavy.

RedLight_Si
12-15-2003, 09:22 PM
Their Pro-Gear wheels are nice though. They are hot die forged. A 17" wheel is about 11lbs and 18" are 12.5lbs, I believe. Thats light!
Still expensive though.

Mighty_Mouse
12-15-2003, 09:30 PM
The PGs aren't quite that light in real life, but they are light. The only problem is that almost none of them are real. They're just ideas that they have for future wheels. Hopefully they'll decide to actually produce them.

BSEVEER
12-15-2003, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
The PGs aren't quite that light in real life, but they are light. The only problem is that almost none of them are real. They're just ideas that they have for future wheels. Hopefully they'll decide to actually produce them.

Actually I agree. I've contacted them more than once to find out where I could go to see some pg-rev8's or 10's in person and they are of no help. I even asked if I could go there because they are pretty close to me and they don't even have them. I'll correct my previous post by saying they "could" make some nice wheels, but it doesn't seem like they do, as far as the pg series goes anyway.

klik
12-16-2003, 01:31 AM
where can we get watanabe rims? i would love to have a set?
how heavy are the Rays engineering United Arrows in 16" they are cast i think, cuz they are cheap and i like them

C1V1C
12-16-2003, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by BlasTech
Is it bent on the lip from a curb, or is the whole wheel itself warped a little out of shape?

Well, I ran into a pothole, pretty fast, I forgot there is one over there. so the lip is bent out towards outside, may be .5"

btw, is it safe to drive ? at high speed ?

KimchiBoy_TypeR
12-16-2003, 02:29 AM
I would go with the 5Zigen FN-01r's. They are a high quality forged wheel and weight a hella light ( not sure of the exact numbers). They are a classic 5 spoke design and look absolutely tight on the Ep! They make two versions of this rim, they got the forged and the cast. They are increasingly getting more popular in the tunning market and can be seen on a number of factory cars like Rotora's drifting silvia to the Ep seen in Motor Trend's fourgasm competition.
I think Us_Si has them on his car. Just search for his username and you should find some pics of them.

Mighty_Mouse
12-16-2003, 07:32 AM
FN01-Rs aren't all that light. The 15x7s are 10.6lbs, 16x7s are 11.7lbs and 17x7.5s are 14.5lbs. Not bad, but not in the league of the TE37, Regamaster EVO, etc.

K-Series
12-16-2003, 07:54 AM
The 5Zigens aren't that light. I'm already on a quest for a new set. I may keep these for shows, but I need some super light 15's for the track.


Steve

Mighty_Mouse
12-16-2003, 08:10 AM
Super light, 15", forged, track = Volk CE28N, TE37 and Regamaster EVO/SW388. Tough to go wrong with Regamasters on a Honda.

K-Series
12-16-2003, 08:29 AM
Yeah, but how much?


Steve

BlasTech
12-16-2003, 09:27 AM
I just got a good link for lightweight wheels:
http://www.good-win-racing.com/goodwinracing_005.htm

Ignore the 6.5" wheels.

KeNnYtAkEr
12-16-2003, 10:49 AM
Anyone know anything about the Velox PG-5S?

PG-5S (http://www.veloxperformance.com/wheel_competition_detail.asp?Wheel=Pg-5s)

http://www.veloxperformance.com/Products/86200224120AMpg-5s%20full%20pci%20copy.jpg


I'm looking for a set of these wheels but can't find them. Any help will be great thanks.

klik
12-19-2003, 10:42 AM
dont forget ADVAN wheels, they are forged too.