F20C1 Engine

[dobiejoe]

I have never seen a F20C1 engine but it looks like are K20A2-3. Has anybody looked into the posability of the engine mating to our tansmission and putting it in a EP.?

Just thinking. I want to do something to my 03-Si. eather a A2 swap, head only swap, or I dont know..

Joe

[Peking]

Originally posted by dobiejoe
I have never seen a F20C1 engine but it looks like are K20A2-3. Has anybody looked into the posability of the engine mating to our tansmission and putting it in a EP.?

Just thinking. I want to do something to my 03-Si. eather a A2 swap, head only swap, or I dont know..

Joe

What kind of cash do you want to throw down. I would love to see the S2000 motor in a EP, but for the money. Not wise IMO. A2 swap is best for the cost and is a safe bolt-on (when I mean safe, it is because it has been done quite a few times now). Just the A2 head has been done too. It would be cheaper than the whole A2 motor swap. Yet I feel that you have to do more when it comes to tuning, unlike just using a Type-S ecu like the motor swap. Then again I fear what I do not understand so hopefully someone like Adam will post here.

Jon

[03EP3SiHB]

Go for the A2 swap, it's worth it!!!!!

[dobiejoe]

After reading here on the head swop i'm leaning to just swop the whole thing. Now all I would have to do is get the keys coded and saw some shifter housing away. I do however like to compression of our bottom end for futer boost. But there are also good head gaskets out there and with a bloack guard would be the good on a A2 and lower it close to a A3. I just need to do something. I Want to start with the engine and make it strong. then either boost(15-20psi)+nos or JR supercharger(12psi)+nos.

I leaning towards
A2 swop
rods
rings
pistins
turbo
head job
valves
springs
port+polish

and the intake, headers, pipe, cat back.

I want to do it all at once and get it done. Or hell just put in a f20 and boost it.

[chet]

Isn't the S2000 rwd?? wouldn't that involve a little more than just engine swap??

[03EP3SiHB]

Do the whole swap, and while you are at it throw on the turbo kit. Or just buy the K20A3 from Japan and go all motor along with clutch and tranny upgrades, with lsd.

[SiRman]

K20A3 from Japan

??:confusem: :banana:??

[VividDreams]

Originally posted by chet
Isn't the S2000 rwd?? wouldn't that involve a little more than just engine swap??

yes, and no

it is RWD, but he was talking about taking the F20 and bolting it to a Si/RSX tranny. In theory it is possible because the F20 and K20 should have pretty identical external dimensions because they are very similar engines, however, the one problem i see for sure is that the RWD tranny may have a different bolt pattern than the FWD triannies. other than that, it shouldnt be *too* hard

[Rey]

It must be possible because there is a bolt on kit to put a 5.0 liter Ford GT-40 V8 engine inside of a focus and convert it to RWD. The kit costs 7000 bucks, and includes engine and everything.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[chet]

Originally posted by VividDreams
yes, and no

it is RWD, but he was talking about taking the F20 and bolting it to a Si/RSX tranny. In theory it is possible because the F20 and K20 should have pretty identical external dimensions because they are very similar engines, however, the one problem i see for sure is that the RWD tranny may have a different bolt pattern than the FWD triannies. other than that, it shouldnt be *too* hard

Thanks for responding to my comment/question. I've had it in my head since this rush of drifting has come on the scene, to see a RWD EP throwing down 300whp to the rear wheels and being one serious drift monster.

If someone was serious about this swap and rwd conversion, what would really be involved? I'm truly curious.

[anjapower]

I'd say just put in a small block chevy:confused:

[Peking]

Originally posted by chet
Thanks for responding to my comment/question. I've had it in my head since this rush of drifting has come on the scene, to see a RWD EP throwing down 300whp to the rear wheels and being one serious drift monster.

If someone was serious about this swap and rwd conversion, what would really be involved? I'm truly curious.

To much work and money for the average man. Need serious time and money for that one. Lots of work.

[Rey]

Well, there is really only a couple ways to get the drive shaft under the car is to either cut into the existing floor, or to lower the engine and have the shaft ride below the floor and then back up to the custom differential that needs to be made. Also, a whole new cooling system will need to be designed too. :confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


BIG WASTE OF MONEY!!!!

GO OUT AND BUY A BEATER 240SX and drop a SR20DET IN IT FOR A TOTAL COST OF ABOUT 4000 BUCKS!!!!!!

[Siman]

its already been done..some hybrid garage company i found on the internet did it about 2 months ago, the K20 and the F20 have the EXACT same bolt patter for the tranny, and i believe the engine mounts are quite the same.....I think the future is F20's in our cars guys....I will try to find the website people who did the research;) :D

[Siman]

http://www.prototyperacing.com/f20kit.htm

they had to make there own bell housing....i was wrong..:rolleyes: :cool: its all gravy though:D

[Siman]

http://www.prototyperacing.com/exigevideos.htm

need i say any more??? this is why i want a k20A!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[madbrain]

Hey Siman I posted this over a year ago, no one was inerested then... Go figure.

[dofu]

my dream set-up... crv all wheel drive w/ k20a2 block, f20 head or k20a2 swap, turbo. iz jus a lil work, thats all. lol k24 would be nicer tho

[ATRIOT]

I was under the assumption that the K20a was a better engine with more potential than the s2000 motor. True or Untrue... Discuss.

[TWEST]

what car is the F20 originally from?

[ATRIOT]

Designed for the Honda S2000.

[VividDreams]

Originally posted by ATRIOT
I was under the assumption that the K20a was a better engine with more potential than the s2000 motor. True or Untrue... Discuss.

i would say that each engine has its own purpose.

the K20 is a better street motor cause it has a more uesable torque curve. its also a better drag racing motor, if thats waht youre looking for.

the F20, contrary to popular belief, because if its high redline, HP peak, and tq peak, is better suited for roadcourse racing/auto cross. i hate when i hear people saying that the S2 is so low cause a neon can keep up with it till it gets above 6000 rpm. well, yeah, so. it wasnt made to drag race. its a roadracer. plain and simple.

so it depends what youre looking for.

[myeverlovinsir]

A port and polished A2 head will flow better than an F20C1. The compression and bore are the only other differences. Mind you the tq of the F20 is less than a stock K20.;)

[Endersi2]

Think about the possibilities this year though... the 2004 s2000 (or is 05?) gets a new 2.2l i-vtec engine with a much, much better torque curve.

[VividDreams]

very true, i forgot about that. yeah its the 04. im assuming theyre calling it the F22?

[2.0L Monster]

Doesn't the new s2000 have the same redline as the k20a?

[rs_1101]

f series swap is outdated. id go into why but im lazy. trust me tho. if you made a 2.4 litre version of the k20a itd kill the f series. look at skunk2.

[sniperSI]

Originally posted by rs_1101
f series swap is outdated. id go into why but im lazy. trust me tho. if you made a 2.4 litre version of the k20a itd kill the f series. look at skunk2.

does not the Euro Accord R or TSX fall into that description? Imagine doing some bottem/top end work on that engine and throwing it into an s2000.

I'm pretty sure ATRIOT was right about the K engine being better in most ways then the f20, I remember when Hytech made the kit for the type S, everyone on vtec.net was freaking out saying "Swap a k20 into an s2000", now that I would like to see.

[2.0L Monster]

The Euro R has a K20a in it, not the 24.

[Hatch02SI]

Originally posted by 2.0L Monster
Doesn't the new s2000 have the same redline as the k20a?

I don't know for sure but i think i'd have to say no.

[sniperSI]

The new s2000 redline is lower then the previous, they did this to extract more torque and hp from it somehow or way, I think its at 8900 now.

[simione]

The s2k redline is 8300 now

[eggsi]

Originally posted by VividDreams
very true, i forgot about that. yeah its the 04. im assuming theyre calling it the F22?

The F22 is off of an older accord, it was a piece. a very down graded h22.