04 Si suspension

[seattlecivic]

HOT FIND, eh!? :-) Not for me though, I have Tein Basics...

anyone looking to upgrade your ride with the upgraded suspension of the 2004.. here you go.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=2460883403

damn, for .99 you can't beat it! But they look exactly like my 2003's suspension sitting in the garage. How come they look the same if they are different? ^_^:angel:

[Sivicboi]

isn't the 04's like one inch lower than 02&03's? If so, then I'm hopping on these:D

[Civicvtec1ps]

Price will go up eventually..

[danoonez]

As far as I know, base 04 suspension is the same as 02-03 suspension. It's the HFP that's lower and stiffer.

[FCobra94]

Originally posted by danoonez
As far as I know, base 04 suspension is the same as 02-03 suspension. It's the HFP that's lower and stiffer.

No. I'm pretty sure the '04 Si is lower than the previous 02-03 Si's, stock.

[Surprise]

Originally posted by FCobra94
No. I'm pretty sure the '04 Si is lower than the previous 02-03 Si's, stock.

I think the added height of the sideskirts is the difference in ground clearance.

[icegrill]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's exactly the same. 04's look lower because of 55 series 16" wheels. Can someone confirm this for sure?

[trabadoo22]

In order to get the 1" lowered suspension for the 02-04 si you have to buy the whole FP package which is $4500. You can't even buy the suspension separate according to my local Honda dealer. Pretty lame if you ask me.

[seattlecivic]

Did someone bid on here bid on them? I am curious to know if they are the same or not.

[chunky]

Originally posted by icegrill
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's exactly the same. 04's look lower because of 55 series 16" wheels. Can someone confirm this for sure?

the 205/55/16 tires have a larger overall diameter by almost 3/4" of an inch. only about half of that goes towards reducing wheel gap. anyone with an 04 have fender to hub measurements?

[FCobra94]

Well, I'm not sure if it was just a rumor, as I did read this in the Rumor Mill ;) but most seem to have heard a 0.4" drop was seen in the '04 Si's.

I guess we'll just have to wait for someone to measure theirs up before we can honestly say for sure though :p

[anjapower]

well I know that the 04 has 2 finger fender-wheel gap, where as the 03 comes with 4 fingers stock. Meaning it has about an inch less wheelgap than the older EP3s.

the larger wheels and tires account for barely any of this difference (do the calculation). I'm puzzled as to what could cause this difference in wheelgap.

[Dunrick]

the ep is so mysterious.

[CivicSiR]

the rims are 16s on the 04 si's i believe. or at least it's an option if not standard. and so that's why the suspension is 'lower'.

[Tenacious G]

hmm ... according to Honda's Web site, the 04 sits about the same height as the 02-03. meaning with 16" wheels and new rubber (larger diameter), the suspension would have to be lowered a bit. but i'm guessing the COG remains about the same.

[Makross]

looks the same as the 03 unless its the HFP suspension but i doubt it is

[anjapower]

yup the height is the same as the 03s. Although the wheels are an inch larger, the tire profile is smaller. This makes overall rolling diameter nearly the same as the 03. There is something in the suspension to make the wheel gap be an inch less...don't know what however.

[chubbychu]

i bid on them, too bad, outbid. =o(

[hayseed]

Oh yeah the '04 is definitely lower, the wheel gap tells all. I was at a dealership over the weekend and (to my eye) it's quite obvious.

This brings up other questions. Have the shocks been changed? Or does mean the 02-03 shocks will (officially) handle a ~1" drop without accelerated wear?

Same with the camber. Is Honda saying it will be within (official) specification will be OK with this drop? No unusual tire wear? What gives?

[00-ITR-373]

Just so everyone understands the dimensions:
2003 and older: 195/60/15 = Sidewall: 4.6", and Outer Diameter: 24.2"
2004 : 205/55/16 = Sidewall: 4.44" and Outer Diameter: 24.88"

Based on this alone, the new Si, assuming everything else is equal, would sit 0.34" higher due to the new tire and rim combo alone.

[FCobra94]

I was going to post the same thing according to a tire calculator that gave me the same dimensions that you posted, but it left me confused...

This is because Honda says both the '03 and '04 are the same height at 56.7 inches which would mean that the '04 suspension would HAVE to be lower in order to retain the same height, just going from the increase in tire height alone.

If that doesn't sound right, someone please correct me :confused:

[Surprise]

The sideskirts on the 04 have to be lower than the 02-03's.

[Tenacious G]

Originally posted by FCobra94
I was going to post the same thing according to a tire calculator that gave me the same dimensions that you posted, but it left me confused...

This is because Honda says both the '03 and '04 are the same height at 56.7 inches which would mean that the '04 suspension would HAVE to be lower in order to retain the same height, just going from the increase in tire height alone.

If that doesn't sound right, someone please correct me :confused:

that's initially what i thought. but i ran the numbers again on the tire calculator and 00-ITR is right. the diameter of the 205/55-R16 is about 24.9". the diameter of the 195/60-R15 is 24.2" based on wheel and tire size, the 04 should sit about .7" higher.

but according to edmunds, the 04 (non-HFP) only .2" higher (56.7 vs. 56.5). i'm guessing the suspension is lowered about half an inch.

[00-ITR-373]

the 04 should sit about .7" higher.
but according to edmunds, the 04 (non-HFP) only .2" higher (56.7 vs. 56.5). i'm guessing the suspension is lowered about half an inch. [/B]
I think it would only sit 0.34" higher. If the tire grows in O.D. only the sidewall below the hub would make the car sit higher, the rest would simply grow towards the fender (reducing the fender gap) but have no effect on overall vehicle height. Did I explain that correctly? I hope it makes sense.

So if Honda says it's 0.2" higher, than that would mean the car would have to be lowered 0.14", or almost zero.

[Tenacious G]

Originally posted by 00-ITR-373
I think it would only sit 0.34" higher. If the tire grows in O.D. only the sidewall below the hub would make the car sit higher, the rest would simply grow towards the fender (reducing the fender gap) but have no effect on overall vehicle height. Did I explain that correctly? I hope it makes sense.

So if Honda says it's 0.2" higher, than that would mean the car would have to be lowered 0.14", or almost zero.

i see what you're saying. that's why i switched from a mechanical engineering major to journalism. math and i just don't get along that well.

[jo3y]

hello forum, thanks for the link at the beginning of the thread. I am the winner of the auction at 61 dollars (not bad for an 04 suspension)although i live in MI and they are coming from CA (little bit of a shipping charge) but still worth it. Anyways right now im sitting atop my blown out 02 struts and progress springs. It looks cool because it is so low but it rides like SHIT! Michigan roads really suck and took out my struts quick. I am hoping these 04's are a little lower than my 02's were. Ill let everyone know how it turns out and my opinion on them. If they get shipped in time ill be installing them next weekend. Peace!

[CivicSiR]

Well I'm assuming they put a little bit shorter springs on there since the rims are 16s or whatever. But do you know if the shocks are any different? And have they changed the stabilizer bars or anything of that sort? What exactly comes with this '04' suspension you won; what components?

It doesn't affect me because my car is an 02 and I'm lowered on GCs and Konis, but I'm curious nonetheless. Thanks.

[phatfreeza]

i dunno about you guys... but $61 for the suspension??? does anyone else see a problem with this? maybe its just me...

[dofu]

Originally posted by phatfreeza
i dunno about you guys... but $61 for the suspension??? does anyone else see a problem with this? maybe its just me...

hahah... thats what im thinkin... i wonder if dude that won got the suspension or not...

[jo3y]

The only reason it was so cheap is because it was on ebay with no reserve. The auction was for stock 04 struts and springs (F&R) with 45 miles on them. They were shipped this morning and ill have them in time to do the install on saturday. I dont see any reason why the 04 suspension cannot be bolted onto the 02 as they are both EP3 chassis. In any event when i get them ill let everyone know if it was worth the money, if i run into install complications, ride height, and ride quality. BTW I think i am going to upgrade my braking system with some larger rotors and different pads while its all torn apart. Peace!

[phatfreeza]

post up pics when you get them! i wanna see how much lower the 04 hfp suspension is on the 02-03s

[jo3y]

Well the 04 suspension is installed. Everything bolts right up without problems . The ride quality is OEM again. As far as ride height it is definetly lower than the 02 suspension by about .5 - 1 inch. Works for me untill I an get my hands on a Tein kit. I would post pics but it says the maximum file size i can attach is 1024 bytes as in 1.024Kb WTF even if i save it as lowest quality in photoshop its not even close to that small

[seattlecivic]

WOW!! That is awesome. So the suspension is improved from 02-03 to 04. :-) I can't wait to see pics. So it feels the same? From my OEM to my TEIN basics, the ride feels a little stiffer, yet it feels very comfortable with a 1.5 inch drop :-)

Post pics when can, eh!?

[Tenacious G]

Originally posted by jo3y
Well the 04 suspension is installed. Everything bolts right up without problems . The ride quality is OEM again. As far as ride height it is definetly lower than the 02 suspension by about .5 - 1 inch. Works for me untill I an get my hands on a Tein kit. I would post pics but it says the maximum file size i can attach is 1024 bytes as in 1.024Kb WTF even if i save it as lowest quality in photoshop its not even close to that small

that's because attachments are no longer. you'll have to host on wetodddidracing or imagestation, then link the image.