VW must like are SI

[siver-SI]

I was on 7th Gen when EPhatch was down for a little and I found a post about the new VW comming out.

http://www.streetracersonline.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=23

What do you think?

[TheMutt]

At least they got shitty interior.

[evilep3]

ya look at that DOPE GEO METRO!!!

http://www.streetracersonline.com/gallery/logo.php?picturename=albums/userpics/mkvgti/normal_005__scaled_600.jpg

:smilem: :smilem: :smilem: :smilem:
they got nothin... hahaha

[Videodrone]

I think the 5th gen Golf is much better than the last (the taillights are kinda funky though). The interior is nice since VW got smart and started using Audi parts for them. If you don't like it.. you guys can take pleasure in knowing that the mk4 owners don't like it because it looks too much like a "civic" now. They'll all buy one though and eat their words. :D

[EP3racer]

They got similiar shape as our SIs. How the roof is taller in the front and lower in the back. It is a alow more bulky looking I guess..less boxy. don't like the rims at all.

But that just me

[k20hatch]

Someone make a pic with that gti and a si next to each other. I suck at doing it. My friends a BIGGGGG vw fan...I wanna show him...hahah!

[Videodrone]

Just go to the vwvortex forums and watch them bitch and moan about it. It's too bad they'll all buy one when it comes out.

[redronin22]

BEHOLD the new mini mini van on the block.

[redronin22]

it looks like a ep with rsx headlights chopped on.

[jaydub]

Originally posted by TheMutt
At least they got shitty interior.

apparently you've never sat in a newer model VW.

[chubbychu]

anyone know the power rating on these things? i dont care if they look like us or not, but i dont want them beating the pants off of us.

[mdoyle]

I believe our 2005 Golf is the rest of the worlds 2002 Golf (Not 100% sure on the date, but I do know that the new Golf has already been debuted elsewhere).

And, the 1.8T's right now are faster than our Si's, right? What makes you think the new ones won't?

[kidXStreme]

i like it...resembles the si...soon people will buy this car and get used to the shape of it...which means when they see an SI---theyll be cool car.

[VividDreams]

Originally posted by mdoyle
And, the 1.8T's right now are faster than our Si's, right? What makes you think the new ones won't?

my thoughts exactly

[Videodrone]

Power ratings... I've read that the base golf might have a 2.5 inline 5 with 150hp and the 2.0 GTI turbo is supposed to get around 200hp.

http://www.streetracersonline.com/articles/gti/

Yes the current VW is faster, but all magazine reviews I've read (C/D and R&T to name some) both rate it behind the EP because the VW has lots of body roll and a crappy tranny. Now, if Honda was smart (and they don't seem to be) they'd bring the Type R here to compete against it. Unfortunately Honda doesn't want VW sales, they want Toyota sales.

[SLOazzEPhatch]

Originally posted by redronin22
BEHOLD the new mini mini van on the block.

LMAO!

I guess you can call us the pioneers of the mini-mini-van age. HA!

[jaydub]

Originally posted by mdoyle
I believe our 2005 Golf is the rest of the worlds 2002 Golf (Not 100% sure on the date, but I do know that the new Golf has already been debuted elsewhere).

And, the 1.8T's right now are faster than our Si's, right? What makes you think the new ones won't?
Wrong, this is an all new car, which has just been released in Europe. We don't have 2005's yet, and when we do it will be this one.

[ApexinSi]

yo the 05 VW looks EXACTLY like the EP at the rear window. i just cant stop looking at it. :yellm:

[BlairSpeed]

I think the new GTI is pretty sweet. I really like the interior, the rims and the overall design. I've honestly always liked the look of VW but not the overall fit n finish. All of my friends who have VW's always have little annoying things go wrong. I hope this 2005 version turns out to be something as Im personally interested.

I wish Honda would catch on....:(

[rtenyes]

the biggest prob w/the vw is the price. cost more to buy and cost more to own. pretty sweet though...

[jaydub]

Originally posted by rtenyes
the biggest prob w/the vw is the price. cost more to buy and cost more to own. pretty sweet though...

Another misconception. :rolleyes:

[Videodrone]

GTIs are pretty cheap... around 20k I believe. At least the last I checked. Not much more than an Si. Plus they're built in Mexico... so must be cheap to fix too!

[mdoyle]

Originally posted by jaydub
Wrong, this is an all new car, which has just been released in Europe. We don't have 2005's yet, and when we do it will be this one.
No, i'm fairly certain this car has already been debuted in other regions. I believe it is stated in the March or April edition of Car and Driver where they test the R32.

[Videodrone]

Yeah i remember them a while back in some magazine. This VW has been debuted already. If you think the new golf/GTI is ugly, the next Jetta may be considered worse since it uses the new GTI front end on a sedan body.

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/0,,1369-1372_1474652,00.html

[jaydub]

Originally posted by mdoyle
No, i'm fairly certain this car has already been debuted in other regions. I believe it is stated in the March or April edition of Car and Driver where they test the R32.
The R32 is a fourth gen car, this is fifth. This one is all new, from the ground up and is a 2005 model. It's like comparing a 6th gen civic to a 7th gen civic.

[mdoyle]

I'm not comparing the R32 to the new Golf. I'm stating, that the new design has already been debuted to the market.

[jaydub]

Originally posted by mdoyle
I'm not comparing the R32 to the new Golf. I'm stating, that the new design has already been debuted to the market.
:confused: I already said it has been released in europe.



Originally posted by jaydub
Wrong, this is an all new car, which has just been released in Europe.

[mdoyle]

Whoops, didn't see that. Guess we were trying to argue the same point? Heh.

[jaydub]

Originally posted by mdoyle
Whoops, didn't see that. Guess we were trying to argue the same point? Heh.
haha yeah it looks like. :D

For anyone else's reference:

Mk3 = 1993 - 1999
Mk4 = 1999.5 - 2004
Mk5 = 2005 +

The 2005 models, like the one originally posted, has already started selling in Europe, just as the Mk4 sold in Europe for a model year before we got it.

btw, here's what the brand new golf looks like modded.
http://users.pandora.be/golfist/golf5buiten%20002.jpg

http://users.pandora.be/golfist/g5d1.jpg

[Type X]

hmmm

i like that black one

why are you trying to pull me to the dark sid e;)

[teejoh]

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262638-michciobsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262638-michciob.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262641-michciobsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262641-michciob.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262641-michcioasmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262641-michcioa.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262644-michciobsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262644-michciob.jpg)

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262648-michciobsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262648-michciob.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262646-michciobsmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262646-michciob.jpg)

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262646-michcioasmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262646-michcioa.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262638-michcioasmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262638-michcioa.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262648-michcioasmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262648-michcioa.jpg)

http://a2.cpimg.com/image/1E/8D/33295902-7f6b-027B01A5-.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262644-michcioa.jpg)

[Spidey]

i'm diggin the look. especially the modded black one.

[bloodzombie]

yeah, that black one is kickass.

[chubbychu]

i just noticed how the fender flares out...i like that a lot.

[jaydub]

Originally posted by teejoh
http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262646-michcioasmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262646-michcioa.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262638-michcioasmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262638-michcioa.jpg) http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262648-michcioasmall.jpg (http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2004-4-7/2262648-michcioa.jpg)

btw just so people know, that's an Audi A3.

[GrahamBo '02]

I always heard the problem with the later Golfs was weight and general mushyiness.. (word?) Of course I guess the EP could fall into that same boat. :( But, hey nothing that Tein Basic's, a sway bar, and some tires couldn't fix.

I think the 05 looks tight. Heck I think the R32 is awesome, but I don't really think they are cheap. Heck for the price of a nicely equiped VR6 GTI, I could go buy an STi or an RSX Type-S with money to mod...

[siver-SI]

I think when they come out I will take a test drive. I bet they will think I will be in the market since I have a 2002.

[Videodrone]

The blue mk5 looks good too. Did I show this link yet?

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-20425.html


That picture of the Si and GTI with the lambo doors it's sweet. Those cars look good together. Nice pair of sweet hatches. :D

[redronin22]

thats not a Si, its a Type-R.

[Videodrone]

Type-R, Si... all EP3.

[smilla0]

The headlights on the silver one with lambo doors make it look very angry! Does anyone else notice this?

And yeah, it does look like a bit of a rip-off of the EP3, but this will probably lead to greater acceptance of ours.

[rtenyes]

yo jaydub - i've owned 4 vdubs and sold em' for a year (17 in one month) if you compare price/performance/repairs they are MUCH more expensive than say a...honda. thats no misconception. go to any car store and price parts for vw vs honda and see...

[SONIC SI]

I have owned 5 VW's since I sold my last Honda and let me tell you one thing. I will never buy another one. You think the EP's have problems just wait till you buy a VW. Mass air sensors go bad, syncro's in the trannies die, you get creaks and rattles. Those are just a few problems. And try to get warranty work done if you have any mods. It is like pulling teeth to get them to fix the problems. Most of the parts for the olders VW's that I owned were pretty cheap but one of the problems is after a while they will stop making them then you are screwed. On my MK2 2.0L 16V GTI the distributor went bad and I had to end up shelling $225.00 for a car that was over 16 years old. That was the straw the broke the camels back. Now I own a Honda again.


Here is my list from the first to last:

1999 GTI VR6
1983 Scirocco
1980 VW Rabbit Pick UP
2003 Turbo S Beetle
1988 GTI 2.0L 16V

[jaydub]

Originally posted by rtenyes
yo jaydub - i've owned 4 vdubs and sold em' for a year (17 in one month) if you compare price/performance/repairs they are MUCH more expensive than say a...honda. thats no misconception. go to any car store and price parts for vw vs honda and see...

I've owned three hondas and four VW's.

87 GTI 8v
92 Jetta 8v
95 Civic EX
99 CIvic EX
00 Jetta VR6
98 New Beetle
02 Si

I've had my fair share of both. If you want to talk performance, then you tell me where else on a Honda you can get 50hp/50tq for $500.

[rtenyes]

sorry, i ain't too bright, 50hp/50tq for $500?
don't get it.
by the way, don't take me wrong, i love vw. i'd own one now if they weren't so pricey. i tried real hard to get one (1.8 T jetta) but the si was soooo much cheaper.

81 rabbit cabrio
86 rabbit gti
89 gti 16v
92 corrado vr6

[SONIC SI]

Yes the 1.8T VW are definitely more tuner freindly. But that is only because they are already turbo. When it comes to the VR6 then you are SOL unless you Turbo or SC it.

[Videodrone]

Don't forget that the 1.8T engine in the VW isn't even a VW engine! It's Audi's engine (yes VW owns them, but VW can't engineer themselves out of a box so they use Audi's ideas). Think about having to buy parts for an Audi engine. I'm guessing it's very pricey! That engine is also in the... A4? I think it's the A4... expensive.

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by Videodrone
Don't forget that the 1.8T engine in the VW isn't even a VW engine! It's Audi's engine (yes VW owns them, but VW can't engineer themselves out of a box so they use Audi's ideas). Think about having to buy parts for an Audi engine. I'm guessing it's very pricey! That engine is also in the... A4? I think it's the A4... expensive.

Yes this is true. Parts aren't too cheap either. I have known a couple people that have ran into turbo problems just chipping it and doing a few other mods. yes it is the same motor that is offered in the A4 but just with different software.

[aww1.8t]

A photoshoped picture of an 05 gti




http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v159/stevevr6/inflt.jpg

[BlairSpeed]

Damn that is SOOOOOOO sexy! Im really impressed with what VW has done and I dont really even like VW.

On a side note: I almost bought a '98 gti vr6 before looking at the Si and Im really glad i bought a Honda. The GTI I was looking at ended up having alot of problems when I took it to the mechanic and even he said parts for the vr6 are expensive.

[MokujinX5]

$5 says that VW gives their 2005 GTI buyers the option of standard HIDs...

[HgSi]

Originally posted by MokujinX5
$5 says that VW gives their 2005 GTI buyers the option of standard HIDs...

Er... How can it be standard if it's an option?

[YooShin]

Originally posted by Videodrone
GTIs are pretty cheap... around 20k I believe. At least the last I checked. Not much more than an Si. Plus they're built in Mexico... so must be cheap to fix too!

Almost bought one for 19K. A GTi w/ the 17"s Leather and all options. A buddy of mine got an Aniv. for 19K. I like it. I appreciate any car that has some solid engineering, and yes, is and will be quicker than the USDM EP. Slap a happy snail on an EP w/ 5psi and we'll see what happens;) :D

[siver-SI]

I wonder if you can take off the side molding like on are car and have a clean body line?

I will try and do a test drive when they come out for the fun of it. Been looking at my local dodge dealership to take a test drive of a SRT for the fun of it.

I am not looking to get rid of the EP just looking to see what is out there. Plus it is always fun to play with other dealers toys. :D

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by siver-SI
I wonder if you can take off the side molding like on are car and have a clean body line?



Nope if you pull off the door and side molding there will be holes there.

[beechstreet]

Originally posted by siver-SI
What do you think?

I like it. If it were around when I was looking for a new car, I woulda took it over the Si. I bought the Si over everything else I was looking at because of its looks.

[SONIC SI]

I have to admit when the GTI comes out is it going to be one bad ass car. It is going to have a 2.0L 16V turbo with 200hp. Just think of the tuning potential. There are rumors of a 3.2L VR6 with 4 motion also.

[stephen]

I owned a GTI before the Civic.

Two words: Coilpack.

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by stephen
I owned a GTI before the Civic.

Two words: Coilpack.

And don't forget bad MAF's.

[SLOazzEPhatch]

Originally posted by SONIC SI
There are rumors of a 3.2L VR6 with 4 motion also.

It is called the R32 :p

[ranivus]

Originally posted by mdoyle
And, the 1.8T's right now are faster than our Si's, right? What makes you think the new ones won't?


Have you raced a 1.8t??? No way in hell do they match up.
Golf, GTI, or Jetta they're all slow as balls. I've raced a VR6 Gti before and it beat me by like 1/2 a car length. Granted i had a 106LB girlfriend on the passenger side...

But still i would never say 1.8t's are faster.

[dmpslc]

Originally posted by jaydub
apparently you've never sat in a newer model VW.

Yeah, nice interior. You have plenty of time to admire the interior quality when your VW doesn't start due to immobilizer problems. My 2002 had so many electrical problems, I finally got rid of it (at only 10,000 miles) and got my 2004 SI!

[mdoyle]

Originally posted by ranivus
Have you raced a 1.8t??? No way in hell do they match up.
Golf, GTI, or Jetta they're all slow as balls. I've raced a VR6 Gti before and it beat me by like 1/2 a car length. Granted i had a 106LB girlfriend on the passenger side...

But still i would never say 1.8t's are faster.
Then you are apparently a much better driver than the others you have raced against. In every auto magazine to date that has ever driven a 1.8T and an Si, the 1.8T always get to 60 and the 1/4 mile faster than the Si.

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by Videodrone
GTIs are pretty cheap... around 20k I believe. At least the last I checked. Not much more than an Si. Plus they're built in Mexico... so must be cheap to fix too!

No the GTI/Golfs are all built in Brazil. The Beetle, Jetta, and the Passat are all built in Mexico. The only VW that is still built in Germany is the Eurovan.

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by SLOazzEPhatch
It is called the R32 :p

No I was talking about the 2005 model. I don't know if they are going to call it the R32 for the MK5.

[DTR]

its just odd that we're barly getting the R32 in the states, which i like but i just dont think that its worth the 30 G's. i wonder when were gonna get the new GOLF/GTI's.

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by DTR
its just odd that we're barly getting the R32 in the states, which i like but i just dont think that its worth the 30 G's. i wonder when were gonna get the new GOLF/GTI's.

Yeah I can't justify spending 30G on a VW either. I would rather get an EVO.

From what Automoble maganzine says. The Jetta will be here Mar 2005, the GTI will be here Oct 2005, and the Golf will be last to show up in May 2006.

[BlairSpeed]

Originally posted by SONIC SI
Yeah I can't justify spending 30G on a VW either. I would rather get an EVO.
So you'd rather spend $30k on a Mitsubishi over a VW? Thats a tough call....

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by BlairSpeed
So you'd rather spend $30k on a Mitsubishi over a VW? Thats a tough call....

Well since I have already owned 5 VW's I know the problems that come after just a few months of owning one and the EVO has a lot more tuning potential then the R32 does.

[mdoyle]

EVO already runs high boost, why not the STi?

[jaydub]

Originally posted by mdoyle
EVO already runs high boost, why not the STi?

Besides the fact that the STi is the ugliest car around right now?

[SONIC SI]

Originally posted by mdoyle
EVO already runs high boost, why not the STi?

One reason is the tranny. I have read that trying to get warranty work done through Subaru is 10 times harder then Honda.

[Satin 2k2 Si]

I know this is a thread about comparing the looks of new GTI to the Si, but I am going off the topic, like everyone else, and say that Honda is BULLS#ITTING. I have been keeping my eye out on this R32, which has been mentioned more than once in this thread, for some time now.
PROS: 240hp with 236lb/ft in torque AWD
CONS: Its a VW
Why can't Honda build a car like this. It now has the technology with it new SH-AWD. Imagine a EP3 with 240hp and AWD, after all it is rally car inspired. It would be pricey, but I would buy one over a VW. The R32 is adding insult to injury by the Type R not being availible in the States. Ah well ... what can you do.

[Jpax]

Originally posted by SONIC SI
One reason is the tranny. I have read that trying to get warranty work done through Subaru is 10 times harder then Honda.

LOL HAHAHHahhahaha

yea for the numbnuts WRX drivers that are drag launching there cars and beating the trany up at 5 k to try and show off. the STI has a completely different trany then the regular WRX, its made by Prodrive and if there are ANY trany problems with the STI they REPLACE it the dealers can not fix them they all have to go back to prodrive. The 2002-03 models WRX have had problems with tranys from driver abuse. if your drag launching your trany at 4-5 k then who cares if the dealer warenttys your dumbass..... :rolleyes: