I gassed up today... [Archive]

SLOazzEPhatch

05-18-2004, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by ep_nezay
On the EP, I wouldnt know, I never fill it up, it adds weight:p

haha. that is just sick that gas is getting so high. If more people would get rid of those damn gas hogs like suburbans and expeditions there wouldn't be such a damn high demand for more oil...(shakes head)It just makes me sick to see those all over the road. They get like 8-10mpg.

i remember when i was really young seeing gas for 80 cents a gallon and 1.00 for 93 octane.

ranivus

05-18-2004, 09:09 PM

i actually tried it out the other day it costs me 27 dollars on 2.69 92 oct

02civicSI

05-18-2004, 09:11 PM

i remember back in 97, when i was in high school, the price was below a dollar/gallon. i would love to have thhose prices back again :D

SLOazzEPhatch

05-18-2004, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by 02civicSI
i remember back in 97, when i was in high school, the price was below a dollar/gallon. i would love to have thhose prices back again :D

no kidding!!

enecks

05-18-2004, 09:14 PM

Summer of 1998, when I got my first car, I have a vivid memory of seeing gas for $.69/gal. Those were the days, eh?

02civicSI

05-18-2004, 09:18 PM

speaking of first car...

http://members.cox.net/toymachne/toyota_crash_03.JPG

SLOazzEPhatch

05-18-2004, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by 02civicSI
speaking of first car...

http://members.cox.net/toymachne/toyota_crash_03.JPG

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is hilarious!!

what happened?

chubbychu

05-18-2004, 09:21 PM

seriosuly though...the suv's and huge gas hogs...i mean its great they have money and are pushing the economy...but they are pumping like 20-30+ gallons every week (or less than a week). Man, its discouraging! here i am pumping a 10 gallon tank that last me a week and a half.

ep_nezay

05-18-2004, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by SLOazzEPhatch
If more people would get rid of those damn gas hogs like suburbans and expeditions there wouldn't be such a damn high demand for more oil...(shakes head)It just makes me sick to see those all over the road. They get like 8-10mpg.

Hey,hey, Im one of them. We need them, they serve a purpose.:)
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMjIzNDc1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

02civicSI

05-18-2004, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by SLOazzEPhatch
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is hilarious!!

what happened?

rolled it going 70 mph. i was trying to get a cd and wasnt paying attention. i looked up from getting the cd and there was a car waiting to turn left. being a new driver i slammed the brakes, they locked up and the front right tire caught on a culvert. from there i rolled. wasnt wearing my seatbelt and only had a bruise on my head. very, very lucky. car was totaled. axle bent. loved that car. "porn star" sticker on the front. "memories..."

EP3.. 2.. 1 GO

05-18-2004, 09:23 PM

In Chicago I pay 2.35$ for 93. If I want a full tank I have to pay 26$:mad:

Ep3 No.2

05-18-2004, 09:34 PM

cost me about 26 bucks from empty to fill up.
91 octane in sf area is 2.57 at chevron

Brettnyt

05-18-2004, 09:45 PM

BSEVEER

05-18-2004, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by SLOazzEPhatch
Made me happy to own my EP again. Can't beat my wonderful gas mileage. I didn't even see the price of the gas til i started filling up. It is up to 1.99 a gallon for 89 octane:mad: :mad: :mad: I usually put in 93 octane, but 2.10 a gallon is really too much.

Would paying another $1.50 per fill up really break the bank? I know prices are out of control, I'm in SoCal and I pay about $2.40 for 91 but It's not that much more than 89.

!@#$%

05-18-2004, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by BSEVEER
Would paying another $1.50 per fill up really break the bank? I know prices are out of control, I'm in SoCal and I pay about $2.40 for 91 but It's not that much more than 89.

It would if you drove an f350 or an excursion. :)

phatfreeza

05-18-2004, 11:50 PM

time to get hyrbids ladies and gents!

Sirone

05-19-2004, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by SLOazzEPhatch
haha. that is just sick that gas is getting so high. If more people would get rid of those damn gas hogs like suburbans and expeditions there wouldn't be such a damn high demand for more oil...(shakes head)It just makes me sick to see those all over the road. They get like 8-10mpg.

i remember when i was really young seeing gas for 80 cents a gallon and 1.00 for 93 octane.

So true... Does one soccer mom really need a Hummer to get to practice?

toda_power

05-19-2004, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by phatfreeza
time to get hyrbids ladies and gents!

haha..for real man.

siver-SI

05-19-2004, 03:29 AM

I am so happy I have my 78 Lincoln in the shop up on blocks right now. That car gets a nice 4 mpg when I get on the gas a lot and it has to burn 92 or higher octain.

The weekend I put about $28 in my tank with 92 octain at $2.16 a gallon.

My father has a 1 ton chevy for his job and we use it to tow my race cars and that thing sucks on gas. Gets 13 mph no matter what. He is thinking of looking at the hyrbid trucks when they start comming out.

Si3

05-19-2004, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by SLOazzEPhatch
Made me happy to own my EP again. Can't beat my wonderful gas mileage. I didn't even see the price of the gas til i started filling up. It is up to 1.99 a gallon for 89 octane :mad: I usually put in 93 octane, but 2.10 a gallon is really too much.

Just filled up on the way to work 10.015 Gallons @ 2.29 (93 octance)($22.95)

Again made me happy to own an EP too (28.7 mpg this tank!)

-aj-

ep3si02

05-19-2004, 06:52 AM

i never noticed the prices around here went up until i filled up yesterday. it was $2.03 for 87.

ep pilot

05-19-2004, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by SLOazzEPhatch
Made me happy to own my EP again. Can't beat my wonderful gas mileage. I didn't even see the price of the gas til i started filling up. It is up to 1.99 a gallon for 89 octane:mad: :mad: :mad: I usually put in 93 octane, but 2.10 a gallon is really too much.

Geeze I fill up with 91 every week in my Ep3, and I'm paying around $2.47 right now in California.

-Ryan

jaydub

05-19-2004, 07:04 AM

nezay what wheels are on that EP? I dig 'em. :cool:

mdoyle

05-19-2004, 07:44 AM

It's about 2.40 a gallon here in Arizona for 91.

chartinael

05-19-2004, 08:26 AM

well, just to let you guys know what prices are on the other side of the world:

95 oct (Super) goes for 1.14 - 1.22 per liter meaning I pay for about 36l 40+ EUR. So basically over here we pay 1 USD per 1/4 gallon :-(

Kristin

mdoyle

05-19-2004, 08:58 AM

Damn, I hope that shuts some people up.

PAPITUYO326

05-19-2004, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by chartinael
well, just to let you guys know what prices are on the other side of the world:

95 oct (Super) goes for 1.14 - 1.22 per liter meaning I pay for about 36l 40+ EUR. So basically over here we pay 1 USD per 1/4 gallon :-(

Kristin

i remember when i visited Germany a few years ago with my family that gas prices were elevated too. geez that is way too much for gasoline. Thats probably why so many people in europe use bikes and the metro. id probably be riding a bike during the week and my lil Ep (type R in europe hehe) for the weekends.

chartinael

05-19-2004, 09:02 AM

well, also don't forget that things are much less widely spread than in the US so it is fairly easy to use public transportation and go by bike ...

I use the bicycle to take my daughter to kindergarten and the car to do other stuff.

kristin

excivic98

05-19-2004, 09:02 AM

I'm glad I live in Illinois, I filled up yesterday and 87 was 1.96. I think 92 was 2.00.

freshmoss

05-19-2004, 09:19 AM

Up here, we are now paying 99.9cents Canadian per liter so this would be around $3.13USD/Gallon... for 87 OCTANE

This sucks ass! :mad:

SLOazzEPhatch

05-19-2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by ep_nezay
Hey,hey, Im one of them. We need them, they serve a purpose.:)
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMjIzNDc1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

well that is the first Expedition i have EVER seen towing something. If you have a reason for it like that then i don't care but it is the soccer mom in the Hummer or worse in the Excursion. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE DAMN 4CYL OR 6 CYL MINI-VAN?

t-rex

05-19-2004, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by chartinael
well, just to let you guys know what prices are on the other side of the world:

95 oct (Super) goes for 1.14 - 1.22 per liter meaning I pay for about 36l 40+ EUR. So basically over here we pay 1 USD per 1/4 gallon :-(

Kristin

I've never been to Europe, but I've heard (and read) that the roads are extremely well maintained. Hence, they have to charge lots of tax on the fuel to pay for it. Is that true?

BTW, $2.29 - $2.39 here for 87 :'(

SSMep3

05-19-2004, 04:10 PM

alot of the oil price elevation is due to the recent violence in saudia arabia, I dont think that having a suv really makes that much of a difference. Yeah they burn more fuel but they are not the reason why OPEC decides to raise their prices.

Jay H

05-19-2004, 07:26 PM

European governments tax the HELL out of fuel, therefore the per gallon price is higher than it is here. You can't compare US gas prices to European gas prices unless you remove ALL of the taxes imposed by governments. The actual raw fuel cost isn't much more (if any) than what is paid in this country.

As with other raw materials (like steel), expanding countries like China are really helping drive fuel prices up. SUV's don't get good gas mileage (and I don't like those huge monsters for driving to the soccer match either), but that is only a fraction of the cause for the increased demand.

Oil producing countries are also reported to be reducing their output, hence the prices are inching up since supply is not matching demand. If they withhold too much, global economies can start suffering, which will affect how much oil is purchased. Demand may decrease, which would cause the supply problem to mitigate a bit and fuel prices to decrease. OPEC can only pinch us so much...

There are many complicated economic and political reasons for these current high gas prices...

TrippZ

05-20-2004, 05:37 AM

1.99 for 87 :(

chartinael

05-20-2004, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Jay H
European governments tax the HELL out of fuel, therefore the per gallon price is higher than it is here. You can't compare US gas prices to European gas prices unless you remove ALL of the taxes imposed by governments. The actual raw fuel cost isn't much more (if any) than what is paid in this country.

There are many complicated economic and political reasons for these current high gas prices...

Agreed, but even though the price for the barrel is the same, the end user has to pay the gas price the gas station asks for, so - shit - they tax this stuff but we still have to pay 1 USD for a quarter gallon. So you can still compare that no problem. Fact is, we pay outragous taxes on all kinds of things. Our VAT in Germany is 16% !!!!! :-(

Kristin

Jay H

05-20-2004, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by chartinael
Agreed, but even though the price for the barrel is the same, the end user has to pay the gas price the gas station asks for, so - shit - they tax this stuff but we still have to pay 1 USD for a quarter gallon. So you can still compare that no problem. Fact is, we pay outragous taxes on all kinds of things. Our VAT in Germany is 16% !!!!! :-(

Kristin

I agree that Europeans are getting screwed on the price of fuel. I would hope that you are seeing some benefit from those high fuel taxes. My post was not meant to criticize (though it might appear harsh). I meant to point out that there are tax issues that are at play, not just the raw material cost.

Best,

Jay

chartinael

05-20-2004, 12:27 PM

nope, no benefits whatsoever ... they are actually discussing right now to raise VAT and implement a general autobahn toll for everyone ... over here, you even have to register your TV and radio to make it legal ... and I don't mean cable, you pay per TV in the house, per radio, add the car radio, the tv card and the walkmen, and your mobile if it has a radio function!!! Unbelievable.

Kristin

smilla0

05-20-2004, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by chartinael
nope, no benefits whatsoever ... they are actually discussing right now to raise VAT and implement a general autobahn toll for everyone ... over here, you even have to register your TV and radio to make it legal ... and I don't mean cable, you pay per TV in the house, per radio, add the car radio, the tv card and the walkmen, and your mobile if it has a radio function!!! Unbelievable.

Kristin

Wow! Germany is getting really socialist, isn't it? Do you have to pay periodic taxes on them, like property taxes?

The autobahn toll doesn't surprise me much. Many major highways in New Jersey have tolls.

Jay H

05-20-2004, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by chartinael
nope, no benefits whatsoever ... they are actually discussing right now to raise VAT and implement a general autobahn toll for everyone ... over here, you even have to register your TV and radio to make it legal ... and I don't mean cable, you pay per TV in the house, per radio, add the car radio, the tv card and the walkmen, and your mobile if it has a radio function...

Kristin:
At bit OT, but do you have to pay property taxes (on dwellings that you may own) as well as all these little nickle and dime taxes?

chartinael

05-20-2004, 01:16 PM

yes, that too :-) going quite a bit off topic .... but don't ask me how much that is.

chartinael

05-20-2004, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by smilla0
The autobahn toll doesn't surprise me much. Many major highways in New Jersey have tolls.

But Jersey highways were probably not built with tax-money but by non-governmental bodies? In Germany that would mean we pay with our taxes for the roads and than have to pay for the roads again. THat is double taxing and I think people would go to the constitutional courts to solve that matter. Privatly built highways - fine, they are trying to get back what they paid for but autobahns were paid for with tax money.

kristin

Grookes

05-20-2004, 01:21 PM

Yeah, Europeans have to pay a lot more, but they also have a kick-ass public transit system. In the US, we're too spread out to be so lucky. Here's something I stumbled on - it's about 10 miles from where I live/work.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040517/480/caps10105171823&e=1

I hear in Santa Barbara (about 5 hours South of San Franciso), it's already over $3/gallon in some places. Whee.

t-rex

05-20-2004, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by chartinael
nope, no benefits whatsoever ... they are actually discussing right now to raise VAT
Kristin

Is VAT some sort of vehicle tax?

chartinael

05-20-2004, 01:56 PM

*g* nope, its value added tax (goes by that in the UK, i think in the us it was just called sales tax)

kristin

smilla0

05-20-2004, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by chartinael
But Jersey highways were probably not built with tax-money but by non-governmental bodies? In Germany that would mean we pay with our taxes for the roads and than have to pay for the roads again. THat is double taxing and I think people would go to the constitutional courts to solve that matter. Privatly built highways - fine, they are trying to get back what they paid for but autobahns were paid for with tax money.

kristin

That's an interesting point. I went on the Turnpike authority website and it looks like it's almost a government owned/controlled business. I'm really not sure who paid for it to be built. It does say that the tolls pay for maintenance and then some. But double taxing occurs all the time. I pay state income tax on the money I make at work and then I pay state sales tax when I go and spend what's left. I pay federal income tax, and then pay federal tax again when I pay my cell phone bill.

(Getting further OT)

What I loved most was when Bush started his crusade to save wealthy investors from an insidious "double tax" that occurs when a corporation gets it's profits taxed, and then when the company pays out dividends to shareholders, it gets taxed again as capital gains tax. What a hero, and just what we need at a time when wealthy investors are hard up for cash.

Civicvtec1ps

05-20-2004, 03:17 PM

I always used 89 on my car.
Now I am using 87.
Supposed to be better with 87 anyways..
Paid $2.16 for 87.
Filled up about 10.9 gallons and paid aronud $23.

BarracksSi

05-20-2004, 03:44 PM

Somebody reminisced, "I remember when 92 octane was $1.00 a gallon."

You bastards are making me feel old, and I'm not even in the senior bracket here!

I remember when the price of a dollar a gallon was an ugly rumor, because gas had just started passing 75 cents a gallon.

Not only that, but diesel was TWENTY-FIVE CENTS per gallon! My parents' used Mercedes 300D diesel, with its ability to get over 35 mpg, could go from Omaha to Chicago -- and back! -- on 8 bucks' worth of gas.

TomR123

05-20-2004, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by smilla0

What I loved most was when Bush started his crusade to save wealthy investors from an insidious "double tax" that occurs when a corporation gets it's profits taxed, and then when the company pays out dividends to shareholders, it gets taxed again as capital gains tax. What a hero, and just what we need at a time when wealthy investors are hard up for cash.

If that was sarcasm:

I would thank the president for that if you work for any sort of corporation, essentially it means more jobs for people employed by any corporation.

If not :

right on.

zum_zum

05-20-2004, 05:12 PM

like barracks, i'm felling old, too. i remember gas hitting the $1/gallon mark, and i think i was driving before a lot of other members were born! :rolleyes:

i just moved here to north carolina over the holidays. i paid $1.85 last week just down the street from charlotte motor speedway, most here are at $1.89 for 87.

i removed the turbo from my miata for other reasons other than having to use high-octanne, but i'm glad for that reason too.

i still think the price of fuel is very reasonable, i just think it will take a MAJOR shift in lifestyle for a lot of americans. it won't be pretty. it is an issue the country has been avoiding since the 70's, and it now time to pay the piper, so to speak.

i, for one, will be glad to see the end of SUVs being used as commuter vehicles. i grew up riding around in the back of a station wagon for family outings. remember those?

i would be very interested in a diesel over a hybrid. diesels are more fun to play with: direct injection, gobs of torque, turbos, propane injection, awesome fuel mileage, and you can easily convert them to run on used vegetable oil. (saw one at an autocross, it smelled like french fries when it went by!) :D

times are a-changin'.

SLOazzEPhatch

05-20-2004, 06:15 PM

all these prices are rediculous. i am so glad i don't live in Europe. Aight well i guess i shouldn't have bitched about the 2.10 a gallon for 93 octane. Evidently other have it much worse.

smilla0

05-20-2004, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by TomR123
If that was sarcasm:

I would thank the president for that if you work for any sort of corporation, essentially it means more jobs for people employed by any corporation.

If not :

right on.

Let's start a new thread in the OT forum for this...

BarracksSi

05-20-2004, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by smilla0
Let's start a new thread in the OT forum for this...

^
The web forum version of, "Let's take this outside..."

:D

smilla0

05-20-2004, 07:03 PM

Haha, no really I didn't want to jack this thread anymore.

SONIC SI

05-20-2004, 07:04 PM

When I drove by the Chevron station I fill up at all the time the price for 91 is up to $2.54.

smilla0

05-20-2004, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by zum_zum
i still think the price of fuel is very reasonable, i just think it will take a MAJOR shift in lifestyle for a lot of americans. it won't be pretty. it is an issue the country has been avoiding since the 70's, and it now time to pay the piper, so to speak.

i, for one, will be glad to see the end of SUVs being used as commuter vehicles. i grew up riding around in the back of a station wagon for family outings. remember those?

i would be very interested in a diesel over a hybrid. diesels are more fun to play with: direct injection, gobs of torque, turbos, propane injection, awesome fuel mileage, and you can easily convert them to run on used vegetable oil. (saw one at an autocross, it smelled like french fries when it went by!) :D

times are a-changin'.

Yeah, I really agree. I love wagons. An old friend of mine put a worked 302 into a pimped out Fairmont wagon to make it a sleeper. It was the most fun I ever had in a wagon!

I think the main thing holding back the diesels is their lack of power. Around here petroleum diesel is only about 20% less than gasoline, which isn't quite cheap enough to make them worthwhile for most people. The Civic HX gets similar mileage and performance to a turbodiesel, without the stink and other driveability issues of diesels. And with a good CVT, torque isn't an issue.

Biodiesel looks promising, though. From what I understand, it doesn't contain nearly as much sulfur as petroleum diesel and burns cleaner. Petro diesel fouls up catalytic converters fast, but you might be able to use them with biodiesel. Right now biodiesel is still a bit more expensive than either petro diesel or gasoline, but if petroleum prices keep rising like they do, biodiesel may become a practical alternative.

zum_zum

05-20-2004, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by smilla0

I think the main thing holding back the diesels is their lack of power. Around here petroleum diesel is only about 20% less than gasoline, which isn't quite cheap enough to make them worthwhile for most people. The Civic HX gets similar mileage and performance to a turbodiesel, without the stink and other driveability issues of diesels. And with a good CVT, torque isn't an issue.

Biodiesel looks promising, though. From what I understand, it doesn't contain nearly as much sulfur as petroleum diesel and burns cleaner. Petro diesel fouls up catalytic converters fast, but you might be able to use them with biodiesel. Right now biodiesel is still a bit more expensive than either petro diesel or gasoline, but if petroleum prices keep rising like they do, biodiesel may become a practical alternative.

good points. i've seen this car (http://www.rallyvw.com/index.html) up close and in competition. it's really pretty interesting.

i can't find the data at the moment, but the car is really producing great amounts of power.

again, though, this is just my antiquated way of not letting go of internal combustion engines. like i said, these gas prices are here to stay, i hope. it will be a HUGE lifestyle change that a lot of people won't take well.

EPHatchgirl

05-20-2004, 09:12 PM

Yeah guys, with the R32, I am feelin' it at the pump. Half a tank is almost $20.00.... I have to fill up with 93- because minimum is 91 and all I have around me is 87 89 93...:mad:

Did anyone else participate in May 19th "Stick it To 'Em Day"?

No one was supposed to buy gas yesterday... just curious if anyopne did it.

-Jules

Ura

05-20-2004, 11:09 PM

The town I'm in has gas going for 99.8 cents a liter for 94 octane. That works out to about $3.78 a gallon CDN. Thats $2.77 US a gallon.

ep_nezay

05-21-2004, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by jaydub
nezay what wheels are on that EP? I dig 'em. :cool:

They are Works. Thanks.

03hatch

05-21-2004, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by enecks
Summer of 1998, when I got my first car, I have a vivid memory of seeing gas for $.69/gal. Those were the days, eh?

i remember thos days...$12 for a full tank...now its 25+ haha

i pump 89 $2.33, tisk tisk

SONIC SI

05-21-2004, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by EPHatchgirl
Yeah guys, with the R32, I am feelin' it at the pump. Half a tank is almost $20.00.... I have to fill up with 93- because minimum is 91 and all I have around me is 87 89 93...:mad:

Did anyone else participate in May 19th "Stick it To 'Em Day"?

No one was supposed to buy gas yesterday... just curious if anyopne did it.

-Jules

I feel sorry for you. That 3.2L VR6 just loves to suck gas. I had a 2.8L VR6 and it used to cost me a fortune to fill up. I almost regret not looking for a used TDI Golf instead of my EP. They get an average of 600 miles to a tank.

serialdriller

05-21-2004, 04:15 PM

I just filled up today, 330 miles for 11 gallons of 87!! So exactly 30.0 mpg! awesome!!!

Jay H

05-21-2004, 04:31 PM

Just filled up tonight on the way home from work. 31.5 mpg

siver-SI

05-21-2004, 04:35 PM

I think I am getting better gas millage with the CAI. I just put on 120 miles and I am just below F.

smilla0

05-22-2004, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by EPHatchgirl
Did anyone else participate in May 19th "Stick it To 'Em Day"?

No one was supposed to buy gas yesterday... just curious if anyopne did it.

-Jules

I guess I did, because I didn't go for gas that day, although I usually only go 2 or 3 times a month anyway. But I filled up the following day, and by that time my tank was even more empty. In the end they made slightly more profit, because they were able to sell me more gas in a single sale thus reducing the overhead of dispensing smaller quantities in multiple sales. So much for "sticking it to 'em" :)

portugeetex

05-22-2004, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by chartinael
nope, no benefits whatsoever ... they are actually discussing right now to raise VAT and implement a general autobahn toll for everyone ... over here, you even have to register your TV and radio to make it legal ... and I don't mean cable, you pay per TV in the house, per radio, add the car radio, the tv card and the walkmen, and your mobile if it has a radio function!!! Unbelievable.

Kristin

wow thats crazzzzzzzzzzzzy i never heard of such a thing. jeeesh and i thought my exise tax on my car every year was bad, never had one of those till i moved to TAXachusetts. im originally from dallas and things are so much cheaper down there.

portugeetex

05-22-2004, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Civicvtec1ps
I always used 89 on my car.
Now I am using 87.
Supposed to be better with 87 anyways..
Paid $2.16 for 87.
Filled up about 10.9 gallons and paid aronud $23.

hows it supposed to be better using 87????

freidaddy

05-22-2004, 02:39 PM

might not have the same Hp as a V8 but I get better gas milage.:D

BarracksSi

05-23-2004, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by portugeetex
hows it supposed to be better using 87????

My guess is that, for lower octane fuel, the ECU won't advance the spark & alter the valve timing for more power as much as it can for higher octane.

zum_zum

05-23-2004, 11:55 AM

the ecu monitors a lot of data, but it doesn't monitor octane. a reflash changes the timing and ignition maps, which may require a higher octane. if you are running high octane on the stock ecu program, the benefits are neglible.

remember, higher octane burns slower and hotter.

BarracksSi

05-23-2004, 12:00 PM

I thought that the ECU would monitor a number of things, including how close the engine is getting to detonation. Since 87 octane detonates more easily than 92, the ECU would tone back the power production to avoid unwanted detonation.

At least that's what I had thought. Hmm...

zum_zum

05-23-2004, 01:46 PM

well, i believe the ecu monitors detonation through a knock sensor, but you have to think about the stock settings the computer runs. they are set at X defaults irregardless of the fuel. higher octane would help prevent detonation, which would help at extremely high intake temperatures. in a naturally-aspirated setup, you would have to be in the desert or a similr type of situation (rush hour in atlanta or dallas comes to mind). even then, it's not adding power because of losses due to heat, it is modifying timing to keep the engine from destroying itself. if you could advance the timing manually, the octane would come into play *slightly*, but the beauty to the i-vtec is the computer-controled timing adjustability.

high-octane really comes into play with high-compression engines.

some people say higher octane helps keep the engine cleaner, again i think this is incorrect. i think if you use better brands of fuel (like shell, mobil, etc) over the cheapest you can find, you will have fewer problems.

personally, i would run regular and save that extra money to run a bottle of techron through the tank about every oil change, and replace the fuel filter at regular intervals. just my $0.02