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Black 02 SI
05-22-2004, 06:43 AM
me and denmah did the swap yesterday. converted his car back to stock, and my car to charged. the install was pretty easy, 3 bottom bolts on the charger were the hardest i'd say(very little room like 1/16 of a turn on the wrench) here are some pics. only thing left to do it hook up the oil pres gauge, he has to send me the sendin unit didn't feel like taking it out of the engine yesterday.
http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/dsb2000si/DSCN3213.jpg
http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/dsb2000si/DSCN3217.jpg
http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/dsb2000si/DSCN3215.jpg
http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/dsb2000si/DSCN3208.jpg
http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/dsb2000si/DSCN3210.jpg
http://img39.photobucket.com/albums/v120/dsb2000si/DSCN3209.jpg
it runs at 5psi most of the time, high rpms and higher gears it hits just over 6psi :) i love it, and would recomend it to anyone who wants a little extra daily drivin power

JoshuaVTEC
05-22-2004, 06:50 AM
SWEET. I need a ride in that hog! :)

oogy-boogy
05-22-2004, 06:54 AM
Good deal Dave....I'm hoping to go the same route next spring :)

fsugatorbait
05-22-2004, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by Black 02 SI
i love it, and would recomend it to anyone who wants a little extra daily drivin power


just a little? :confused: Did it meet your expectations or were you a little disapointed?

k20hatch
05-22-2004, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by fsugatorbait
just a little? :confused: Did it meet your expectations or were you a little disapointed?

That and where did you get the pod man? Btw looking good, get us some videosss!:)

JoshuaVTEC
05-22-2004, 09:52 AM
I took a quick vid of it today if anyone wants to check it out...

Right-Click-Save-As Please! (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNDAzNTE1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D)

I drove it too. The power is way usable. In traffic on daily-driving it is totally efficient. No break-neck chaotic jerky shit, just nice and smooth.

And the car idles like it's stock :)

Japakazol
05-22-2004, 10:17 AM
Wow i'm impressed, I'm currently saving up to purchase one myself, i'm trying to avoid using my credit card but after watching that video i'm battling myself =). Have any idea what your 0-60 1/4 mile times will be now?

esmith13
05-22-2004, 10:18 AM
Lookin good dave!

Now about that race u owe me... ;)


Eric

Black 02 SI
05-22-2004, 10:54 AM
def exceded my expectations. it so smooth that its deceptive. you dont feel like its goin as fast as it is. like i said pulled on a wrx with no problem, so i know it moves. denmah got the pod off ebay. its fits real nice. the way it's held on is kinda weird, but it works. there is a bracket behind the top gauge, take out the gauge and remove one screw. gotta drill a small hole in the frame, but nothing major. i guess its good, cause if ya didnt know about the screw there is no way to take the pod off. i am goin to the track next friday to see what it does. i am thinkin 0-60mph should be high 5's low 6's, just a guess. cause the srt does 0-60 in 5 something, and it should be about the same if not a little faster to 60 due to no lag in boost. like i said pure guesses.

SF-SI-02
05-22-2004, 11:37 AM
Nice congradulations... its a bit early, but did you notice any change in gas mileage? (If I just got a jrsc, I know I would have my foot all the way down for about the first 2 months, so maybe it really is too early to ask about this!)

Black 02 SI
05-22-2004, 12:58 PM
well i've been on it pretty good this entire tank and i'm at 220 with about 1/4 tank left. i think denmah said on the highway it actually went up.

RMC22
05-22-2004, 01:04 PM
So does it pin you to your seat or what? :p
Does it make you crave the release of the race version? Any plans for the race header?
I think a 5-6 second 0-60 is a little generous. I'm thinking closer to 6-7, but maybe it's because your tires were breaking loose on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift.

RMC22
05-22-2004, 01:13 PM
Oh yeah, how does the stock clutch feel?

Black 02 SI
05-22-2004, 02:42 PM
stock clutch is brand new :) no way 6-7 thats what it does stock.

siver-SI
05-22-2004, 03:40 PM
Just wondering are they getting any better HP from the JRSC? I would like to get a SC for the ease of install and upkeep, but last I saw the SC was about the same price a Turbo and there was a lot less HP in the SC.

I have heard there is some tunning programs for the ECU now for the SC so I was wondering if that was helping the HP too?

RMC22
05-22-2004, 10:23 PM
Stock is 7-8 seconds.
Tuning helps a lot with any boost application, so you can always squeeze a little more out with a personal tune. But no way will it match a turbo's power. As for it being the same price... nah..
JR = 25-2600.
Greddy kit = 24-600. Who the fuck wants to run a turbo without an intercooler? Even then, it's almost the same power between the two.

Plus, Honda engines suck for boost. Relatively high compression (I feel for the type s/type r motor crowd), and our open deck construction is horrid for high hp cars. But all it needs is some block work and it's golden. But definitely meant for N/A. Some motors are just made for boost, some aren't. That's why I'm on the edge of my seat like it's a soap opera to see what happens NEXT year to the cars running 10+ psi on stockie internals. I wouldn't go above 8 psi, but I'm more for reliability than speed. I prefer the sc because if you're going to turbo, go big or go home.

There's a base rsx with the jrsc-r kit and he's making 230 whp and 171 ft/lb tq. I'd be happy with 215 out of the street (with race header and extensive kpro tuning). JR shows a dyno of what, 209 with the race header? Very streetable car.

04rider
05-23-2004, 04:15 AM
Black02si, Your satisfaction on a scale from 0-10?Honestly pease.:angel:

Black 02 SI
05-23-2004, 04:30 AM
no question its a 10. like rmc said if you want crazy power go big or go home. this is the perfect addtion for someone like me who just wants a little more power without hurting drivability. this kit is so smooth its crazy. idles like stock. air/fuel reads like stock. jackson racing is an awesome company. it easily puts down more power than a a2 swap, and it's 100 times easier to install. however i found out last night two things 1 its faster than a gtp, and two dont race low 11 sec talons :( mmm need more boost, lol.

oogy-boogy
05-23-2004, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Black 02 SI
no question its a 10. like rmc said if you want crazy power go big or go home. this is the perfect addtion for someone like me who just wants a little more power without hurting drivability. this kit is so smooth its crazy. idles like stock. air/fuel reads like stock. jackson racing is an awesome company. it easily puts down more power than a a2 swap, and it's 100 times easier to install. however i found out last night two things 1 its faster than a gtp, and two dont race low 11 sec talons :( mmm need more boost, lol.

You pretty much have me sold. Looks like we'll need to roll down to Jersey soon so you can bring me for a ride :).

siver-SI
05-23-2004, 07:07 AM
Just wondering what would need to be done to run higher boost levels with a SC?

fsugatorbait
05-23-2004, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by oogy-boogy
You pretty much have me sold. Looks like we'll need to roll down to Jersey soon so you can bring me for a ride :).


Definately Mel, another Jersey trip is a must. :cool:

Black 02 SI
05-23-2004, 03:27 PM
just chaneg the pulley and the belt. stock pulley is 4.4 you can get a 4'' and get around 7-8psi. you should not have to change anything else to run that boost. once higher you need injectors and fuel pump, and some tuning. anytime you guys wanna come down, let me know. i am goin to atco this fri. :)

Jonny221
05-23-2004, 03:29 PM
two ?'s whats a gtp ? and do you think with the race header exhaust and intake you can get into high 13's ? with kpro ?

smilla0
05-23-2004, 05:34 PM
Dave, congrats. I'll have to meet up with you this weekend and check it out.

SF-SI-02
05-23-2004, 07:29 PM
That's the question... is it safe to run the 4" pully at low altitude, without any other modification to the kit? Aren't you afraid of running too lean?

RMC22
05-23-2004, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by SF-SI-02
That's the question... is it safe to run the 4" pully at low altitude, without any other modification to the kit? Aren't you afraid of running too lean?

Black 02 SI
05-23-2004, 09:22 PM
i think i will hit 13's right now as she sits. maybe not its like 105 outside. :)

Black 02 SI
05-23-2004, 09:25 PM
grand prix gtp, supercharged 6cyl they go mid 14's stock and i walked it pretty good :)

Jonny221
05-24-2004, 06:27 AM
so what are your mod's ? JRSC/Raceheader/catback/cai ?

Jonny221
05-24-2004, 06:28 AM
i saw a time on a s/c i forgot what his name is but he got like 15.1 with the jrsc ? can the track be that bad ?

smilla0
05-24-2004, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by Jonny221
i saw a time on a s/c i forgot what his name is but he got like 15.1 with the jrsc ? can the track be that bad ?

Believe me, it can! I think a major problem is that they have no traction and the clutch even slips a bit. The launches are not great on all season radials with an open diff.

EnJaNir
05-24-2004, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Jonny221
i saw a time on a s/c i forgot what his name is but he got like 15.1 with the jrsc ? can the track be that bad ?

It was 02silverSIHB however you forgot to mention that he was way over sealevel, corrected I believe he was in low/mid 14s

02SilverSiHB
05-24-2004, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by EnJaNir
It was 02silverSIHB however you forgot to mention that he was way over sealevel, corrected I believe he was in low/mid 14s
Hey it was me. I ran a 15.3 at 800 sealevel WITHOUT A SUPECHARGER.

With the supercharger in my new area at 2000 above sea level, I ran a 15.1. My trap was only 89 and 90...real shitty!

My traps when I ran the 15.3 without the supercharger was 89 and 90. I know my car is faster. I just need to try and make it back down to where I was at before, it's about 3 hours away though.

Also, black 02 Si, are you sure about running the 7~8lb pulley without more fuel management...i.e. hondata and bigger injectors. The 440cc injectors were at 75% when hondata had the 8.3lbs of boost on the base rsx.

So with only the stock injectors at 270cc and the 7-8lbs of boost you're using, that sounds dangerous to me. A/F meter's aren't exactly that accurate. Hope you don't blow the motor.

spider883
05-24-2004, 09:46 AM
^^ you also have to consider the turbo is making more hp per lb of boost compared to our sc.. so our injectors at 7lbs on the 4" pulley are probably just at saturation point... i have a dyno day set for june 19th so we will see

smilla0
05-24-2004, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by spider883
^^ you also have to consider the turbo is making more hp per lb of boost compared to our sc.. so our injectors at 7lbs on the 4" pulley are probably just at saturation point... i have a dyno day set for june 19th so we will see

Actually, it's not the hp as much as the air flow. A roots blower at 7 psi will be blowing less air into the same engine as a turbo, because the less efficient roots blower won't compress the air as much at the same boost pressure. But that is a good point! I never really thought about that. It's a shame JR didn't use a Lysholm blower. They are nearly as efficient as a good turbo. And they produce more low end torque.

Black 02 SI
05-24-2004, 11:10 AM
i said i'm not sure about the injectors. i think i will be low 14's high 13's if i cant drop .6 with a charger there is a prob. hopefully it will be a little cooler at night on fri. we will see. i just put in colder plugs and i am slappin on the azenis for fri. :) wish me luck.

XLR8B4U
05-24-2004, 02:17 PM
Dave,

I am coming on Friday for sure.. Will not be racing the MINI because its still in break in period but want to see what you can do.

Looking forward to seeing and hearing your car.. now if only the weather will hold..

Craig

plpong893
05-24-2004, 04:13 PM
congrats.... maybe ill show up at atco i wanna see u run this thing the right way, if anyone can show what jrsc can do its you

02SilverSiHB
05-24-2004, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by spider883
^^ you also have to consider the turbo is making more hp per lb of boost compared to our sc.. so our injectors at 7lbs on the 4" pulley are probably just at saturation point... i have a dyno day set for june 19th so we will see this was on a jackson racing supercharger...not a turbo

02SilverSiHB
05-24-2004, 06:47 PM
here's the topic about the 440cc injectors with a k20a3 at 8.3lbs of boost
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=161196

This is a JRSC on the base rsx

[b]From Hondata:
440 injectors are running at 75%, so there is room for another 10-20% more power up to about 260-270 hp.

More torque under 3000 than my JRSC Type S (I can give it more ignition advance due to the lower compression)

The two power curves are:
Before: CAI, JR Header (which added about 10HP from stock) and CAI.
After: Supercharger 4

myeverlovinsir
05-24-2004, 07:29 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB
[B]here's the topic about the 440cc injectors with a k20a3 at 8.3lbs of boost
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=161196

This is a JRSC on the base rsx

[b]From Hondata:
440 injectors are running at 75%, so there is room for another 10-20% more power up to about 260-270 hp.

More torque under 3000 than my JRSC Type S (I can give it more ignition advance due to the lower compression)

The two power curves are:
Before: CAI, JR Header (which added about 10HP from stock) and CAI.
After: Supercharger 4

KingGreg86
05-24-2004, 09:36 PM
id i got a jrsc, all i would need is the smaller pulley and belt to run higher boost? is there anything else needed? how expensive*?

RMC22
05-24-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by KingGreg86
id i got a jrsc, all i would need is the smaller pulley and belt to run higher boost? is there anything else needed? how expensive*?

Injectors and tuning.
89x4 + whatever dyno tuning costs. Assuming you already have a programmable ecu so you can ditch the damn powercard. I'd be careful with that 3.4", though. If you want that much boost, you should just turbo.

SF-SI-02
05-24-2004, 10:16 PM
I offered hondata my car for tuning the a3 with supercharger (I would pick up a SC from jackson on my way down), but I got an e-mail tonite saying that they have a boosted a3 (si) coming in this weekend for tuning. I hope the gains are as large as the base rsx, that will give me all the more reason to beat myself up for not having already bought a JRSC

RMC22
05-24-2004, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by SF-SI-02
I offered hondata my car for tuning the a3 with supercharger (I would pick up a SC from jackson on my way down), but I got an e-mail tonite saying that they have a boosted a3 (si) coming in this weekend for tuning. I hope the gains are as large as the base rsx, that will give me all the more reason to beat myself up for not having already bought a JRSC

That's great news. Gives me something to work off of since I don't have California weather or elevation ;) Sorry they didn't take your car though, I'm sure they would've given you kpro and the tuning free.

02SilverSiHB
05-25-2004, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by RMC22
Injectors and tuning.
89x4 + whatever dyno tuning costs. Assuming you already have a programmable ecu so you can ditch the damn powercard. I'd be careful with that 3.4", though. If you want that much boost, you should just turbo. yeah, I agree, that much boost will generate a lot of heat for a blower, either go turbo or just use the 11lbs pulley for the once and a while race days

Black 02 SI
05-25-2004, 08:29 AM
i just changed plugs to denso iridiumm ik22's and i felt a nice difference. also my gas mileage went up like crazy :) get like 300 miles to the tank now on the highway, and like 260 around town beatin on it. this is just as the fuel light comes on.

bobdobbs
05-25-2004, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by SF-SI-02
but I got an e-mail tonite saying that they have a boosted a3 (si) coming in this weekend for tuning.
Do you know if the plan is to have a standard Hondata program that doesn't require Kpro? It seems having a plug-and-play Hondata program for the JRSC would fit the JRSC's plug-and-play nature better than would Kpro (and be cheaper).

fsugatorbait
05-25-2004, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by bobdobbs
Do you know if the plan is to have a standard Hondata program that doesn't require Kpro? It seems having a plug-and-play Hondata program for the JRSC would fit the JRSC's plug-and-play nature better than would Kpro (and be cheaper).

Hondata will have a preset map shortly for the JRSC on the si, however the only way to get it is through k-pro, it wont be able to be purchased seperately.

downhil
05-25-2004, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by fsugatorbait
Hondata will have a preset map shortly for the JRSC on the si, however the only way to get it is through k-pro, it wont be able to be purchased seperately.

so the k20a3 jrsc 8lb map wont work with the si?

fsugatorbait
05-25-2004, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by downhil
so the k20a3 jrsc 8lb map wont work with the si?

It probably will work, but its tuned for a different IM with dual runners. The si application will be out in a couple weeks.

smilla0
05-25-2004, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Black 02 SI
i just changed plugs to denso iridiumm ik22's and i felt a nice difference. also my gas mileage went up like crazy :) get like 300 miles to the tank now on the highway, and like 260 around town beatin on it. this is just as the fuel light comes on.

Dude, you just put the supercharger on like 3 days ago. Did you go through 3 tanks of gas already?

Black 02 SI
05-25-2004, 10:58 AM
i put it on fri. i have gone through 2 full tanks. i had to drive 100 miles home from where i put it on. then i went to the shore, upstate nj. i had a lot of stuff to do this weekend. oh yeah and i forgot i went drivin around aimlessly to find some people to mess with :)

smilla0
05-25-2004, 11:49 AM
Damn, that's a lot of driving. You must really be enjoying it.

eurosteez
05-25-2004, 12:02 PM
Has anyone noticed the motor running hotter with the sc?

myeverlovinsir
05-25-2004, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by eurosteez
Has anyone noticed the motor running hotter with the sc?

No difference here.;)

Black 02 SI
05-25-2004, 12:35 PM
temp gauge stays right where it always has. the charger is so smooth it feels like its not there. idles like stock and everything. :)

smilla0
05-25-2004, 12:53 PM
That's good to hear. I'm going to have such a hard time figuring out what to do... Turbo, S/C, K20A....

RMC22
05-25-2004, 12:56 PM
Interesting...
Maybe I'll plan to get some before and after temps. One of my fears of running 8 psi is the fact that excessive heat is such a Honda killer. melsir is running more boost and doesn't notice a difference, and at stock boost a difference isn't noted. However, I don't think the temp gauge would move either way unless the value got out of hand; there's a threshold figured in there.
But Mercedes and Jaguar use the same SC design, what do those cars use for cooling? Does MB use water?

02SilverSiHB
05-25-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by fsugatorbait
It probably will work, but its tuned for a different IM with dual runners. The si application will be out in a couple weeks.
??????????????????? The IM is replaced by the JRSC....what are you talking about :confused:
Unless you are referring to how the base rsx ecu works with the stock im? They canb disable that in the ecu for the base rsx jrsc tune

page four
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=161196&page=4


originally posted by I_VieTEC
New options include ability to enable or disable second intake runner. Not a good idea for naturally aspirated base but for me it's perfect because I don't have the stock dual runner anymore. Hondata RULES!!!

02SilverSiHB
05-25-2004, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by RMC22
Interesting...
Maybe I'll plan to get some before and after temps. One of my fears of running 8 psi is the fact that excessive heat is such a Honda killer. melsir is running more boost and doesn't notice a difference, and at stock boost a difference isn't noted. However, I don't think the temp gauge would move either way unless the value got out of hand; there's a threshold figured in there.
But Mercedes and Jaguar use the same SC design, what do those cars use for cooling? Does MB use water?
but myever also has hondata and bigger injectors...with out that combo and more boost, your temp will go up...well from the jrsc and won't run right imo....at least this is my prior experience with a jrsc.

esmith13
05-25-2004, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Black 02 SI
temp gauge stays right where it always has. the charger is so smooth it feels like its not there. idles like stock and everything. :)

Temp guage dosen't move on my setup either.

However what you NOT seeing is that Oil Tempature is rising. It will rise more as more boost is added.

I'll be looking into an oil cooler kit in the near future, personally.

Overheating (not always WATER overheating) is he number 2 cause of engine failure under boost - just under A/F tuning problems.

Eric

02SilverSiHB
05-25-2004, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by esmith13
Temp guage dosen't move on my setup either.

However what you NOT seeing is that Oil Tempature is rising. It will rise more as more boost is added.

I'll be looking into an oil cooler kit in the near future, personally.

Overheating (not always WATER overheating) is he number 2 cause of engine failure under boost - just under A/F tuning problems.

Eric
yeah, JR makes an oil cooler, not sure, but I believe it's a universal kit
edit, nevermind, I guess not anymore, just for miatas

esmith13
05-25-2004, 03:02 PM
9 outta 10 oil coller kits are universal. It's sorta a mini radiator for oil and you just tap an oil line for the in/out. Hardest part is finding room, preferably in a cool area and getting brackets to hold it in place.


Eric

02SilverSiHB
05-25-2004, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by esmith13
9 outta 10 oil coller kits are universal. It's sorta a mini radiator for oil and you just tap an oil line for the in/out. Hardest part is finding room, preferably in a cool area and getting brackets to hold it in place.


Eric
so it's a maybe..that it could work..here's another one, made by jr also, so it's probably universal also, unfortunetly we just don't know if it will fit properly...too bad I don't have money burning a hole in my pocket
http://www.modacar.com/products/Honda/Civic/MODAOICO/

esmith13
05-25-2004, 03:15 PM
They'll all "fit". It just comes down to bracketry and finding where u want to mount it. $460 is INSANE tho. Get a generic one that is 100% aluminum for like $150 and your only missing the bracket to mount it. ;)

Eric

02SilverSiHB
05-25-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by esmith13
They'll all "fit". It just comes down to bracketry and finding where u want to mount it. $460 is INSANE tho. Get a generic one that is 100% aluminum for like $150 and your only missing the bracket to mount it. ;)

Eric
yeah, the price is nuts, but what about how the greddy talks about making sure the oil flows well...is that something to worry about with a generic one?

esmith13
05-25-2004, 03:38 PM
I would think all you NEED to worry about is if the piping inside diameter is at least as big as the flex hose inside diameter.

Or as in my case, the piping inside diameter is the same or bigger than my turbo's oil drain line inside diameter - since i would instal mine there where the oil is hottest - just exiting the turbine. ;)

Eric