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dmclone
06-29-2004, 04:20 PM
A little about myself:

I'm 32 years old and am addicted to cars. About 3 months ago I sold my 03 350Z enthusiast. I've also owned the following:

2000 Civic Si
1996 Acura Integra LS
1989 CBR600
4 quads
2 other motorcycles
Lexus ES300
97 Honda CRV
74 Z-28 w/427 500+ hp (1st car)
89 Firebird Formula
93 Firebird SE


Anyway I've been checking out the 2004 Si. I haven't driven one yet but I've sat in one and love the interior. I want a good cheap car and the Si seems like a perfect fit. My questions are.....Should I wait for the 05's? My dealer has the Si's discounted $2K on the window so I probably can get it for around $17K w/out trying to hard. Is that a good deal?

dmclone
06-29-2004, 04:25 PM
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goy091
06-29-2004, 04:30 PM
you could get a used 02-03 Si for around 13-15k without looking too hard. the 04 is the same as the up comming 05, if youre going to wait. 04 is different than 02-03 in that they have diff headlights/tail lights/5lug wheels/standard side skirts and an available HFP package.

if you have 19k tho spend you might want to look for an RSX Type-S. the K20A3 motor in the Si and Base model RSX are good engines but the K20A2 in the Type S is better and responds much better to mods.

17k for an 04 is about right. back in 02 and 03 ppl were getting some insane deals, around 15 - 16k NEW

dmclone
06-29-2004, 04:32 PM
you could get a used 02-03 Si for around 13-15k without looking too hard. the 04 is the same as the up comming 05, if youre going to wait. 04 is different than 02-03 in that they have diff headlights/tail lights/5lug wheels/standard side skirts and an available HFP package.

if you have 19k tho spend you might want to look for an RSX Type-S. the K20A3 motor in the Si and Base model RSX are good engines but the K20A2 in the Type S is better and responds much better to mods.

17k for an 04 is about right. back in 02 and 03 ppl were getting some insane deals, around 15 - 16k NEW

Does the RSX Type S have that Vtec rush like my 00 Si had?

k20ImportTuner
06-29-2004, 04:32 PM
Well, no one knows anything about the 05s yet, really. But the 02-04 is a great year IMO. I love the car. Neither will probably be as quick as your Z but it's nice.
The 05 is said to be going back to coupe. So right now all you have to help you determine 02-04 or 05.. is coupe or hatchback?

I can't wait to see how the new coupe is going to look, but either way I'm a hatchback kinda guy. :)

Also, just think... if you get an 04 you are privledged enough to say here with us! :D
haha

dmclone
06-29-2004, 04:38 PM
I'm not worried about it being a rocket. I just want something that I can drive year round and have fun in. I like the hatch. I remember in 00 everyone everyone was saying that the coupe sucked and they wanted the hatch. I still managed to sell it for $500 more for it then I payed new. I just want to make sure I don't get an 04 and then 4 months later Honda comes out with a 200hp si. I thought it was 06 when they were moving to the coupe? I haven't heard anything about changes to the 05.

goy091
06-29-2004, 04:40 PM
the Type-S does have a notciable VTEC cross over. the i-VTEC employed on the Si and Base RSX is not for performance but for fuel economy. the x-over is at 2200 RPM and help keep the engine emissions down.

i think youre right about the 05's they havent offically been announced, and the speculation about the coupe was a rumor and not yet confirmed. if anything i think the 05's will be left over 04's

k20ImportTuner
06-29-2004, 04:59 PM
Well back a little while ago there was numerous posts in the Off Topic section about how people are hearing 05 is going back to Coupe.

If you want just a cruising or fun car I think it's a great car. Ride is a little bouncy especially in the back, but handling IMO is really really good even at higher speeds. It's not really not a slow car, though. But real fun. I say go for an 04, or even 02-03 if you like the look better, personally I like the stock 02-03 headlights/tails better than 04, though.

dmclone
06-29-2004, 05:04 PM
If I wasn't so old I'd buy a 2001 ITR that's down the street for sale. It only has 12K miles and he wants $18K for it but I'm a little too old for a 2 foot wing and yellow paint.

skooba
06-29-2004, 05:10 PM
if you can get 17k otd, then i'd say its a decent deal. personally, i like the 02-03's better and I know many dealers around this area still have some left over on the lots. you could easily get those for around 15k, maybe even less. just shop around.

dj addicted
06-29-2004, 05:21 PM
Im just curious.. why did you sell your 350Z???

dmclone
06-29-2004, 05:39 PM
First off I loved the car and think it's the best car for under 30K for it's mix of styling and performance but.....

It was my only car (besides my wifes) and that meant I had to drive it year round. 350Z and Iowa don't mix well in the winter. It also has a very punishing ride. I've had dropped cars before but the Z really rides rough but it also hanldes great. There were also some issues with tires that nearly every owner is having problems with but that's a small reason.

The Z was also a lot faster then it fealt as opposed to the Si which felt a lot faster then it was. The Z was one of those cars you could look down and not realize you're going 100. I'm more of a motorcycle engine type person which is why I love the Hondas. It was nice to have all that torque though...More then I few times I just went out in the middle of no where and let'em rip. The S2000 would have been a perfect car for me but my knees hit the dash.

Long story short....The Z would make a great 2nd car to drive on weekends and such but sucks as a daily driver.

dj addicted
06-29-2004, 05:47 PM
good reason... I drive my Si everyday. Well, I have no choice.. its the only car I have.. but my Ep has 37000 miles on it and I got it new in april of 2003. Definately a fun car to drive everyday.

the giant ep3
06-30-2004, 12:09 AM
depends on what you want to do, the 04 si is going to inpress you with the smooth ride and handling and really depends also on whether you are leasing or purchasing, cause it would be sweet to lease a 04 and get the hfp kit residualized. it takes very well to boost, but the type-s rsx is a pretty sweet engine. like most people here I love my ep3

Videodrone
06-30-2004, 12:36 AM
I currently drive a 91 Z and I can understand what you mean by the daily driver issue, especially with gas in CA goin up and up and the Z only wanting premium. It's no 350Z but I'm sure it has the similarities. I'm currently saving my cash to possibly get an EP myself... but now that I'm hearing a coupe version may be in the works i may wait a little longer to see if any announcements are made. I hope they don't just slap a good engine into the current Civic Coupe. That one is lame.

03silverEP
06-30-2004, 01:58 PM
93 nsx $30,xxx :cool:

dmclone
06-30-2004, 02:20 PM
Yeah those NSX's are great daily drivers. Especialy in the snow.

Videodrone
06-30-2004, 06:19 PM
What about AWD cars? Subaru? I think the Evo is a little to ricey for what you're looking for. Great all weather cars and the a regular WRX is rather attractive (no crazy spoiler except on STI).

Ill_eagle94
07-03-2004, 07:21 PM
Pretty sure you can get the Sti without the wing.... i think its an option.

Also, if you have a family, try the Forester with the 2.5 Turbo.

SRT4 is nice with its LSD and all... dunno about durability on those.

If you can wait a bit, Audi is putting out an A3 <which is a hatch... may be interesting>

CaTiRo
07-03-2004, 07:57 PM
the new si doesn't have the vtec like your old one. go test drive it and tell me what you think in comparison to your old si. if you like the vtec kick then you will probably enjoy the type s rsx. i wouldn't buy a new si for anything over $15,999. there is a 03 si around here for sale with only 9500 miles and the dealer is asking a little over $11,000 for it. the new ep doesn't hold resale so you can find a use one very good. the itr for $18,000 would be a good deal because the itr (as well as the 99-00 si) have pretty good resale value. plus if you liked your 00 si you will LOVE the itr.

i have a 2000 si and personally i think my car is more fun to drive, but i travel alot and have been thinking about getting a car with lower miles. plus the new si doesn't require premium gas. and it gets okay gas mileage. and the insurance is cheap too. so i will probably get rid of mine for a used 02+ si, especially like the deal i mentioned above.