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clutch797
04-23-2008, 08:12 PM
Ok so since my turbo is shot and i don't have the money for a new one at this time i have to take the motor back to n/a. I was going to run the stock a3 map. Anything i need to do i.e. add fuel, spark, ect? I'm running rc550's so i know i need to add that in on kpro. anything else i need or may have missed?

MR.Pizza
04-23-2008, 11:11 PM
How do you know your turbo is shot? Did you try the rebuild kit I told you about? If you want you can send the turbo to me and I'll rebuild it for you just pay for parts and shipping.

AUTiger
04-23-2008, 11:22 PM
what plugs are you using. I think some people use the 310's and add about 15% of fuel to the a3 map

PAPITUYO326
04-23-2008, 11:43 PM
I wish my computer hadn't crashed, I could have given you a decent k24a1 map. You should be able to start off on the a3 map. If you want, send me some datalogs and we can get cracking again.:drum:

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 07:49 AM
Of course start by changing your injector size
Oops wrong map. Check these out.
http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?p=520360#post520360

clutch797
04-24-2008, 11:13 AM
How do you know your turbo is shot? Did you try the rebuild kit I told you about? If you want you can send the turbo to me and I'll rebuild it for you just pay for parts and shipping.

I started the rebuild by tearing it down and when i got it apart the exducer wheel was melted all around the the fins were chewed up to hell. The inducer wheel had started to touch the housing and reshaped the fins. I need a whole new turbo or need to this one rebuilt. I don't have the money at this time to fix it so i have to go n/a untill i have the funds to get it back up and running. Greddy wanted 2 grand for a new t517z and that's not gunna happen. I want to get a gt28rs but i don't have enough money for it and a retune. So a new t517z is my best bet at this time.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 11:14 AM
I wish my computer hadn't crashed, I could have given you a decent k24a1 map. You should be able to start off on the a3 map. If you want, send me some datalogs and we can get cracking again.:drum:

I will start with the map that davisj3537 posted and i will post up the data logs later today. That's guys for all your help.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 11:17 AM
hey davisj3537, i saw on the map you posted it say i/rh/e/ stage1 cams. I only have a cai and exhaust, no cams. will this map work?

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 11:20 AM
hey davisj3537, i saw on the map you posted it say i/rh/e/ stage1 cams. I only have a cai and exhaust, no cams. will this map work?

Sorry about that I posted the wrong one sir...let me get you another one.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 11:22 AM
Thanks man. I hope i have the car running before i have to leave for work in about an hour. I think it's gunna rain and i don't wanna take my bike.

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 11:38 AM
Thanks man. I hope i have the car running before i have to leave for work. I think it's gunna rain and i don't wanna take my bike.

I fixed my original post with a link to two maps.:bump2:

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 11:40 AM
I started the rebuild by tearing it down and when i got it apart the exducer wheel was melted all around the the fins were chewed up to hell. The inducer wheel had started to touch the housing and reshaped the fins. I need a whole new turbo or need to this one rebuilt. I don't have the money at this time to fix it so i have to go n/a untill i have the funds to get it back up and running. Greddy wanted 2 grand for a new t517z and that's not gunna happen. I want to get a gt28rs but i don't have enough money for it and a retune. So a new t517z is my best bet at this time.

Dude a retune from jason on almost the same turbo wont even take an hour...plus you can get a gt28 for less than a grand. You can even run on the gt28 for a while w/o a retune since it is soo close to the turbo you already have...plus I really feel like your turbo took a shit cuz you are making too much power for t517z.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 11:43 AM
i only put 2000 miles on the turbo since i got it. i traded it from coldchillen* spelling and he told me it had 25k on it. so i doubt i did any damage to it. i guess i will get a gt28 if it's that much better.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 11:57 AM
OMG, it feels soooooo slow. Anyways, here is the data log with the base tune. Another odd thing happened. Now that i'm back to n/a my oil pressure gauge is showing that i'm only pushing 25-30psi all the time. When the turbo was on i was running 80-90psi all the time except at idle. What could this be? it's electric. I have a "t" fitting with the oil pressure gauge sending unit and oil pressure switch hooked up.

Jpax
04-24-2008, 02:06 PM
OMG, it feels soooooo slow. Anyways, here is the data log with the base tune. Another odd thing happened. Now that i'm back to n/a my oil pressure gauge is showing that i'm only pushing 25-30psi all the time. When the turbo was on i was running 80-90psi all the time except at idle. What could this be? it's electric. I have a "t" fitting with the oil pressure gauge sending unit and oil pressure switch hooked up.

is the oil pressure reducer that was attached to the turbo still installed on the block?

Jpax
04-24-2008, 02:11 PM
Lean everything out from 3k to red line, once you get a Target A/F at 13.5. If you run premium all the time advance the ignition to 25 ~ 29 depending on how much it really knocks, you need to listen with a mic. you will have to add fuel if your going to add ignition with it, but start leaning out from 3K to redline by -8 percent that should get you in the ball park.

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 02:13 PM
Load this 271

clutch797
04-24-2008, 02:20 PM
I did not have an oil restrictor installed. When it showed 80-90psi it would jump around. All i did was unhook the oil feed line and put my stock oil pressure sensor back in. The oil pressure dose not move at all now, it shows 25psi all the time at any rpm, I'm starting to think that the sensor for the gauge is messed up. The gauge is an autometer prolilght. I will do a log when i get off work. What did you change in the k24 base map edit? My mods if you need them are, rc550's, sri, megan midpipe, test pipe, stock muffler.

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 02:29 PM
Thats odd mine always showed right around 100 at WOT on a na motor. Around 35 to 40 fully warm at idle.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 02:33 PM
I un screwed the sending unit when i unhooked my oil feed and reinstalled it. I don't think i droped it or anything but maybe it's just a loose wire, maybe it the sending unit. should i worry? It moved around before but now it's like it's stuck at 25psi when the car is on. I won't move at all when the car is running.

Jpax
04-24-2008, 02:47 PM
sending unit might have taken a crap on you, did you check your grounds too? to make sure its wired correctly ?

clutch797
04-24-2008, 02:51 PM
I need to go back and check all my grounds and check the wire to the sending unit. The gauge is brand new. On the map that davisj3537 what has changed? I know i need to get my a/f up, since im running the 550's what should i put in as my fuel trim? or do i even need to mess with that?

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 02:53 PM
I need to go back and check all my grounds and check the wire to the sending unit. The gauge is brand new. On the map that davisj3537 what has changed? I know i need to get my a/f up, since im running the 550's what should i put in as my fuel trim? or do i even need to mess with that?

I changed it for you sir...to be honest you really need some smaller injectors. I actually changed a bunch of crap but that is not really important. We are mainly looking at fuel consumption right now. Send me another one sir. I prob wont get to it till tomorrow around 12 but still I need another map to help you any further.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 03:00 PM
I don't have anything else but the 550's, I wish i had 410's. I will load that map up and do a pull tonight and post tomorrow. Thanks guys.

MR.Pizza
04-24-2008, 07:58 PM
Hey bro I hope everything works out, I'd still like to try to work on that turbo if you still have it laying around. I know I can get new wheels and a 18g compressor housing for that turbo. I also have access to a machine shop.

clutch797
04-24-2008, 08:06 PM
Thanks bro, I will see what money will let me do. You know how it is, bills, bills, bills.

davisj3537
04-24-2008, 09:11 PM
What power were you putting down again?

clutch797
04-24-2008, 09:14 PM
238whp and 237wtq

clutch797
04-25-2008, 11:02 AM
Ok what do yall think, My oil pressure gauge did read 25psi all the time since i went back to n/a and would not move then last night when i shut my car off and started it back up the gauge shows no pressure. I have the stock oil pressure sensor in and it's not saying im low so i think the sensor for my pressure gauge is messed up. What else could it be?

clutch797
04-25-2008, 07:28 PM
oh here is the new pull. Papi this is your map.

This is a 2nd gear pull.

timing advanced 2 degrees on low and high fuel from 3000 to redline.

davisj3537
04-25-2008, 07:41 PM
238whp and 237wtq

Oh ok, it is definately not your power lever that fucked up your turbo.lol.

clutch797
04-25-2008, 08:28 PM
yea it was not what i wanted. Any input on the data log?

davisj3537
04-26-2008, 08:13 PM
I don't have kpro on my home computer so I can't look at it till I get back to work on Monday.

clutch797
04-27-2008, 03:19 PM
ok so i just spent the last hours or so street tuning this and this is the best i could get with the time i had. I got the knocks down from 20 or so to 4 knocks. I still get a lot more from part throttle but ill have to work on that later. I tried to get the knocks to stop from 55-6500rpms but could not get them to stop. I pulled timing and add'ed it but nothing. I think the ones i got were ghost knocks. here is my new data log with map. What yall think?

clutch797
04-28-2008, 10:20 AM
bump.

davisj3537
04-28-2008, 01:26 PM
Load this mofo
294

davisj3537
04-28-2008, 01:28 PM
You injectors are too big...I wouldn't be suprised if the knocks are related to the giant injectors.lol. Depending on how long you are staying na you might look into some rsx or ep3 injectors for about 60 bucks. I think one of my buddies has some...You can always resell them when you are done with them. Just MO...

clutch797
04-28-2008, 01:54 PM
Why is it hurting me to run the 550's? What did you change in the map you uploaded?

davisj3537
04-28-2008, 02:03 PM
Why is it hurting me to run the 550's? What did you change in the map you uploaded?

Ok I could be completely wrong on this so someone please correct me. Ok the way I see it is the hole the injectors shoot fuel from is much larger than the oem ones. So where as a normal sized injector is constantly shooting small amount of fuel...yours are shooting larger amounts less frequently. It is not even and not spread out. I changed a bunhc of stuff from fuel consumption to overheating temps and actions taken when it does overheat, I added 1% fuel to cylinder 3 due to the firing order it gets hotter than the other cylinders...etc

clutch797
04-28-2008, 03:12 PM
cool, ill run it when i get off work tonight and post up. thanks. Also on the adding fuel to the #3, it says "cylinder fuel trim" when you put in 1% wouldnt that mean you are pulling 1% from the #3? n/m you have to add this (-) to subtract fuel.

davisj3537
04-29-2008, 06:06 AM
cool, ill run it when i get off work tonight and post up. thanks. Also on the adding fuel to the #3, it says "cylinder fuel trim" when you put in 1% wouldnt that mean you are pulling 1% from the #3? n/m you have to add this (-) to subtract fuel.

Nope it is the opposite. Kinda how on overall fuel trim I added 15% and you were rich...if I had put in -15% you would have been super lean:yo: I really reccomend you check out the kpro videos on hondata.com under the download section. I learned a ton from those:tea:There is some really cool stuff on there I would never have learned on my own.