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MI EP
04-28-2008, 02:09 PM
thought id post up some pics of my custom roll cage install.
ENJOY!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/mainhoop.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/rearsupport.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/harnessbar.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/lowerx2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/framesupport.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/doorbar.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/reardiagonal.jpg

MI EP
04-28-2008, 02:12 PM
and some more after paint....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/cage4.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/cage3.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/cage6.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/cage7.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/BlackEP/cage2.jpg

az-epdrvr
04-28-2008, 02:13 PM
pretty sick bars

428mustang
04-28-2008, 02:15 PM
I really hope that you used chromoly, and then TIG welded it. Otherwise thats just a bunch of weight.

SyckSiR
04-28-2008, 02:15 PM
thats bad ass man, nice to see other fabricators at work, keep it up!

SyckSiR
04-28-2008, 02:16 PM
I really hope that you used chromoly, and then TIG welded it. Otherwise thats just a bunch of weight.

looks like gmaw man, or mig to most ppl....why chromoly??

v1c10us
04-28-2008, 02:27 PM
because the welds will be weaker than the chassis was before the rollcage was even installed.
So basically its a bunch of bars that will just seperate from eachother in the event of impact or a roll.

ClouD
04-28-2008, 03:07 PM
Very good job, now hope it's as funtional as it looks.

SPAM&RICE
04-28-2008, 03:21 PM
now your nuts I thought I was crazy. I hopw you pre fit all those bars 1st so everything goes right back in, also good luck changing the fuel filter/pump. nice dedication and will to get it done.

civictype_r04
04-28-2008, 03:52 PM
now your nuts I thought I was crazy. I hopw you pre fit all those bars 1st so everything goes right back in, also good luck changing the fuel filter/pump. nice dedication and will to get it done.

I agree.... did you get the red paint off of your dash?

MI EP
04-28-2008, 03:55 PM
now your nuts I thought I was crazy. I hopw you pre fit all those bars 1st so everything goes right back in, also good luck changing the fuel filter/pump. nice dedication and will to get it done.

*thats kid of an illusion because of the angle of the pic, i can still get to the pump.

Yes the cage was mig welded and no i did not use chromoly because it was more expensive than mild steel and not worth the extra money. But yes when you do use chromoly it is supposed to be tig welded. Chromoly is not necessarily stronger but its the fact that its stronger and therefore a thinner wall thickness chromoly bar = a thicker wall mild steel bar.

I have built another cage in an older civic that was involved in a side collision and the welds held up fine.

ezep3
04-28-2008, 03:59 PM
nice setup!! how far from the fuel pump cover does it sit?? looks mighty close might be a hastle to work on it later if needed.

MI EP
04-28-2008, 04:01 PM
I agree.... did you get the red paint off of your dash?

yea the paint all came off, luckilly it was just dusty and pretty much just wiped right off.

As far as specs on the cage:
S&W Race Cars
Mild Steel
1-3/4" tube
custom measure by myself and friends (since they dont pre-make a cage for the EP chassis)

dtt02278
04-28-2008, 04:01 PM
thats tight... did u follow another design or did u make up that design??

MI EP
04-28-2008, 04:07 PM
thats tight... did u follow another design or did u make up that design??

its basically a standard 8 point design with a rear diagonal and an x. Just looked at other cages i liked and went off that.

jeenyusss
04-28-2008, 04:16 PM
custom measure by myself and friends (since they dont pre-make a cage for the EP chassis)

i thought speedstar racing mad one for the ep?:dance:

ep3moschini
04-28-2008, 04:22 PM
i thought speedstar racing mad one for the ep?:dance:

:mredface: they dooooo

MI EP
04-28-2008, 05:02 PM
:mredface: they dooooo

never heard of them are they bolt in or weld-in, i just knew of S&W and their good prices.

weltall
04-28-2008, 05:14 PM
link to bolt in cage from speed star? pm it to me please


also not chromoly and mig = woooonk good luck passing the newer stricter tech inspection at the tracks these days

i can name about three things that are not track legal on that cage

MI EP
04-28-2008, 05:22 PM
what parts make it non track legal, post or pm me them please. any tips for future knowledge always helps

weltall
04-28-2008, 05:32 PM
the door beams the angle looks out of regulation it should be lower or boxed int completely


mig welds arent even allowed by todays standards

and chromoly is the new standard that i have seen a requirement more and more each year



these are why the local 1200whp supra here in town cannot run at the local strip because of cage rules


cage building is an art and has very very strict rules it has to follow even for a 130whp econobox saturn if the case deems fit

i could go on about other stuff with the cage but hell even i havent read the whole rules on cage building


for example most legal cages that are used on a national level arent just thrown together certain weld joints have to be used as well as certain angles are not to be exceeded as it will break up in a roll and kill the driver
and when building a cage the cage must be inspected at certain levels of completeion in order for it to be NASA,SFWD,NHRA certified

but then again if all your running is test and tune and you manage to pull a 11.5 at the track they arent going to ask for a cert they will mearly just look in the car through the window to see if one is there before they ban your car

unlike the national supra
but the econobox ef civic that ran ten had nothing but a painted pvc fake cage int he car with tinted windows

MI EP
04-28-2008, 05:41 PM
i gotcha, luckily the tracks by me in ohio arent to strict. But yea its just a have fun car.

Princess
04-28-2008, 05:43 PM
Awesome cage/bars. Lookin' good. :thumb:

mustclime
04-29-2008, 09:57 AM
for a bolt in cage that will meet spec...check out these guys...

http://www.autopowerindustries.com/rollcages.asp

JohnnyTavo
04-29-2008, 10:04 AM
You should have just built it like the Grassroots Civic cage, fully SCCA and NASA legal

Kirk Racing did it, http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/042005/caged-in.php

http://www.kirkracing.com/

jeenyusss
04-29-2008, 10:05 AM
jason- i dont have a link they use to have them under a thread before the delete. i think it was a 10 point bolt in certified cage like $1300


i cud be way off, i have a bad memory

Zzyzx
04-29-2008, 10:53 AM
http://www.scca.com/documents/Club%20Rules/GCR2008.pdf

The 2008 GCR (General Compitition rules) for the SCCA, Roll cage spec's start on page 93. Section 9.4

F. TUBING
1. Seamless or DOM mild steel tubing (SAE 1020 or 1025 recommended)
or alloy steel tubing (SAE 4130) must be used for all roll cage structures. Alloy and mild steel tubing may not be mixed. ERW tubing is not allowed.
2. The following table shows the minimum allowed tubing outer diameter and wall thickness by vehicle weight:
GCR Vehicle Weight
Tubing Size (inches)
(outer diameter x wall thickness)
Up to 1700 lbs
1.375 x .080
1701 - 2699 lbs
1.500 x .095
2700 lbs and up
1.750 x .095
If the tubing diameter used is at least .250 inch above the minimum diameter required, based on vehicle weight, the minimum wall thickness may be .080 inch.
3. The required tubing elements must meet the material minimums
set forth above. Optional tubing elements may be any size.
4. The minus variance of tubing wall thickness due to manufacturing
tolerances is limited to .010 inch.
5. An inspection hole between 3/16 and 1/4 inch diameter must be drilled in a non-critical area of the front and rear hoop as well as one of the supplemental braces to facilitate verification of wall thickness.


And they dont seem to care if its MIG or TIG welded

4. It is recommended that all joints of the roll cage be welded. All welding must include full penetration, no cold lap, no surface porosity, no crater porosity, no cracks, no whiskers, and so forth. Alloy steel must be normalized after welding. It is recommended that a certified AWS D1.1 welder do all welding.


So I don't know where your getting that info about TIG being required.... Seems to me that the only thing they are worried about is the tubing strength (based on vehicle weight) and that the welds fully penetrate the tubing and are clean.


Edit: Further research on the NHRA website has nothing about TIG welding requirements. just Roll cage minimums, similar to SCCA requirements. Same Deal in the NASA rule book.


EDIT #2, THE NHRA also does not require Chrome moly...
To quote the NHRA website

The roll cage must be constructed of minimum 1 5/8 o.d.x .118 mild steel tubing, or 1 5/8 x .083 chrome moly tubing, and must conform to the following diagram:

nightbear
04-29-2008, 03:45 PM
nice, but i would never do it to my car, its not a track car

Princess
04-29-2008, 04:03 PM
That Autopower cage isn't going to be as good as a custom built cage. But if the Autopower cage was painted a wild color it would be good showcar bling bling. I would go custom, probably about the same price anyways.

Are some of you acid dipping (http://www.importtuner.com/features/0407it_weight_reduction_tips/index.html) your ep3's frame/shell before you put the cages in?

weltall
04-29-2008, 04:31 PM
LOL @ weight reduction

Elise98
04-29-2008, 06:39 PM
Do you have any pictures of it from outside of the car?

MI EP
04-30-2008, 06:14 PM
Do you have any pictures of it from outside of the car?

no pics yet, ill try to get some up. My cage didnt cost me anymore than $400. The basic kit for earlier model civics start at $169. Cant beat the price if you know someone whom is a good welder.

lostep3
04-30-2008, 06:22 PM
The cage looks pretty good, but isn't the one angled bar suppose to angle towards the driver side not the passenger side?

04cvcsi
04-30-2008, 11:46 PM
that looks like a pain in the ass to get in and out of...

i know you have a very intricate cage (duh), but would it make a difference in handling if you added a rear upper strut bar? hehe

jeenyusss
05-01-2008, 07:02 AM
http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44693

MI EP
05-02-2008, 10:13 AM
im not a big fan of bolt-in cages.

20CiviC02Si
05-03-2008, 05:10 AM
If i do decide ever to gut the EP and have a cage installed, i'll just drive down the road to King Motorsports and have Tim weld me one up. Sure i'll be paying out the ass, but that cage will be accepted at any track in the US! Not to say your's won't, i just have no experience in cage building.

And at the level of competition i want to race in. A proper certified cage is required.

20CiviC02Si
05-03-2008, 05:12 AM
Looks nice though!

boliviasi
05-03-2008, 05:17 AM
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/andreschumacero/cage.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/andreschumacero/cage1.jpg
auto power

liquid cooled
05-03-2008, 05:18 AM
Unless this is track only car this= rice IMHO. Plus I really would not want to ride in that thing with mild steel anyways, just going to make it harder for the firefighters to get you out of when you roll it and the welds brake and impale you.:meek:

boliviasi
05-03-2008, 05:22 AM
Unless this is track only car this= rice IMHO. Plus I really would not want to ride in that thing with mild steel anyways, just going to make it harder for the firefighters to get you out of when you roll it and the welds brake and impale you.:meek:
if he rolls he would be fine thats why race cars have rollcages.. don't hate

MI EP
05-04-2008, 07:39 PM
Unless this is track only car this= rice IMHO. Plus I really would not want to ride in that thing with mild steel anyways, just going to make it harder for the firefighters to get you out of when you roll it and the welds brake and impale you.:meek:

haha, I stand behind my work, if something goes wrong then i can blame myself, just like everything else i fabricated for my car.