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liquid cooled
04-29-2008, 08:13 PM
Well im getting the rear bar when i put on my flexs, anybody running the front bar Im wondering what your opinons are on it. Ive also heard that spherical endlinks for the sways are a good idea, i know nothing about them sources, advantages, etc.

Help me out ephatchers.

Zeth
04-29-2008, 09:54 PM
i think someone posted a question like this pre-crash and i think the general response was that you are better off not running the front bar.... im no authority on this so maybe someone else can give a better answer, but i think thats what i remember....

v1c10us
04-29-2008, 10:20 PM
stiffening up the front induces understeer.
Most people put the 14mm front sway on; Im not sure if its off the ep2 or an em. But yeah, i've heard a stiffer rear and the 14mm on the front gets the desired handling characteristics, as in back end sliding not the front.

LvisDin
04-29-2008, 11:44 PM
stiffening up the front induces understeer.
Most people put the 14mm front sway on; Im not sure if its off the ep2 or an em. But yeah, i've heard a stiffer rear and the 14mm on the front gets the desired handling characteristics, as in back end sliding not the front.

I believe its off an EM/ES. You can have the front sway but you should have ofter springs/dampers in front.

jw1
04-30-2008, 12:05 AM
I like the Progress rear bar with the stock front bar as a very good handling set up. Car oversteers plenty with the proper alignment so I don't see any need to go to an even smaller front bar.

liquid cooled
04-30-2008, 12:29 AM
anybody know anything about the spherical endlinks?

v1c10us
04-30-2008, 02:05 PM
i donno, i'd go with the hotchkis RSX endlinks if i was going to change mine to aftermarket.

Ep3kp
04-30-2008, 02:25 PM
I like the Progress rear bar with the stock front bar as a very good handling set up. Car oversteers plenty with the proper alignment so I don't see any need to go to an even smaller front bar.

I agree with Jw1 i also have the rear bar and have plenty oversteer, i think that the front bar would be good to neutralize if your going to the track, but alot of people here do like no bar in front. Idk if i would rock that.

v1c10us
04-30-2008, 02:31 PM
the stiffer front bar would be good for drag, its generally not good for autox.
Id imagine it would induce understeer and possibly body roll.

lostep3
04-30-2008, 03:10 PM
I have both front and rear Progress sways. My car seems to handle pretty good with both, and I have stock endlinks. I definitely don't have body roll, but I do have some understeer. Once I start autoXing I will definitely unhook the front sway. I guess it depends on what kinda driving you do, if your taking crazy 90 degree turns a lot I would get a small front bar.

Fico
04-30-2008, 03:12 PM
i daily drive mine and i took the front sway off, it deffinatly made a difference for the better!

Zzyzx
04-30-2008, 03:46 PM
Stiffer front bar... Softer front bar... No front bar... Depends on what you are tunign for and how the rest of your suspension is setup.

Suspension tuning needs will vary from car to car, as what works for one person may not work for annother.

So, Before you decide to buy that bar... As your self, and try to be honest.., How is the car handling now? (oversteer Understeer when and where ect..) and how do you want it to handle...

lostep3
04-30-2008, 03:46 PM
Does anyone know what size the EM2 front swaybar is, compared to the EP3

Zzyzx
04-30-2008, 03:49 PM
Does anyone know what size the EM2 front swaybar is, compared to the EP3

Depends on the year and model...

The 01's had a 25.4mm bar over all the models, the 02's also had a 25.4mm front bar... except the sedans, which had a 20 or 22mm. and finally the 03's on had a 15.9mm front bar.


Though for the record, diameter is a poor indication of an anti-roll bars strength.

lostep3
04-30-2008, 03:51 PM
[QUOTE=Zzyzx;537116]Depends on the year and model...

The 01's had a 25.4mm bar over all the models, the 02's also had a 25.4mm front bar... except the sedans, which had a 20 or 22mm. and finally the 03's on had a 15.9mm front bar.


Thanks

Zzyzx
04-30-2008, 03:54 PM
Short list of Anti-roll bars avalible for the EP3... and RSX.

They all should fit, but personally I'm not 100% sure. As I understand it the EX bars have a compairable center arch as the OEM EP3 and RSX bars, but the EX bars are wider in that Arch.



OD Wall ID Eqiv Dia Car
23 2.80 17.4 20.8 2004 RSX base & S
25.4 3.00 19.4 22.9 2005 RSX base
26.5 3.50 19.5 24.3 2005 RSX S
25.4 4.00 17.4 23.9 2004 Si
27 13.50 0.00 27.0 Progress
26 13.00 0.00 26.0 Eibach
25.4 12.70 0.00 25.4 Solid 1 inch
25.4 4.50 16.4 24.2 2001 Civic HX EX
22.2 3.20 15.8 20.6 2002 Civic EX Sedan
15.9 7.95 0.00 15.9 2004 Civic EX

Fico
04-30-2008, 04:12 PM
Though for the record, diameter is a poor indication of an anti-roll bars strength.

what is the best way to figure out whats better then?

Zzyzx
04-30-2008, 04:17 PM
what is the best way to figure out whats better then?


I would 1st argue that there is no such thing as one bar being "better" then another. As an anti-roll bar is just one more tool in getting the car to handle a certain way.


http://users.erols.com/dmapes/SWBRCLC.HTM

LvisDin
04-30-2008, 04:26 PM
Though for the record, diameter is a poor indication of an anti-roll bars strength.

Yeah solid bars are stiffer and hollow bars are softer. And I believe the Progress front bar is also solid?

Slip_Angle
04-30-2008, 04:36 PM
Like ZZyzx said, it depends on your setup and what your goals are...

I've been very successful running the progress front and rear bars with soft HFP springs/shocks.

See this thread for my recent autox results.

http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?p=537134#post537134