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arthur
05-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Well ive being doing a lot of reading, and havent seen any thread that talks about the dissadvantages of a k24 swap. i know its got more potential than any other block, i think and that is the cheapest...
but what dont you like about a swap like that??
maybe mpg?? anything else??

kprocivic
05-05-2008, 10:13 PM
i guess just not having three lobe vtec.

the JigGa mAn
05-05-2008, 10:16 PM
i guess just not having three lobe vtec.

this statement excludes the k24a2 right?

pros: torque, and price for the "lower" end blocks (a4/a1)

cons: i dont own one so i dont know, if others could chime in, not a simple drop in like a k20/a2

kprocivic
05-05-2008, 10:20 PM
this statement excludes the k24a2 right?

pros: torque, and price for the "lower" end blocks (a4/a1)

cons: i dont own one so i dont know, if others could chime in, not a simple drop in like a k20/a2

1. right excludes k24a2
2. also is a simple drop in just need crv passenger side mount.

ALL MotoR Ep3
05-05-2008, 10:22 PM
pros: lots of torque,cheap,fun to drive

cons: weak rods, cant rev high(unless built)

03Si757
05-05-2008, 10:38 PM
pros: lots of torque,cheap,fun to drive

cons: weak rods, cant rev high(unless built)

the weak rods go for just about all the K series motors. THe K20a3 I had broke a piston shaft. (LOL)

ALL MotoR Ep3
05-05-2008, 10:43 PM
the weak rods go for just about all the K series motors. THe K20a3 I had broke a piston shaft. (LOL)

Same thing happen to me but my rod went through my block......lol

the JigGa mAn
05-05-2008, 11:48 PM
the weak rods go for just about all the K series motors. THe K20a3 I had broke a piston shaft. (LOL)

is your front bumper black?

if so pics would be nice

clujalolo
05-06-2008, 12:29 AM
is your front bumper black?

if so pics would be nice

i dont think it is, its just one of those things to protect the bumber.

davisj3537
05-06-2008, 07:29 AM
Not revving to the stratosphere and gas mileage. It is an easier swap than the k20 IMO. No changing harnesses or any of that shit...just one simple 30 second passenger mount.

arthur
05-06-2008, 08:15 AM
Not revving to the stratosphere and gas mileage. It is an easier swap than the k20 IMO. No changing harnesses or any of that shit...just one simple 30 second passenger mount.

is the gas mileage so bad??

davisj3537
05-06-2008, 09:59 AM
is the gas mileage so bad??

You should really get a 6spd so you don't eat your mileage up. It uses 15% more fuel than the comparable motor...Ex k20a3 compares to the k24 a1 and a4. The k24a2 compares to the k20a2.

Guardian
05-06-2008, 10:17 AM
Not revving to the stratosphere and gas mileage. It is an easier swap than the k20 IMO. No changing harnesses or any of that shit...just one simple 30 second passenger mount.

you dont need to change the harness for a k20, you can just run a a3 knock sensor


only con i can think of is the limit of high revving.

T_Virus
05-06-2008, 10:18 AM
I guess the only cons for us Kali people is passing smog probably? Although it is possible to pass but haven't heard of someone passing legally yet...

paulmofyourhand
05-06-2008, 10:33 AM
depends what k24 your talking about (a1, a2, a3, a4, etc).

in some states, its illegal to have the k24a1 (CRv) in ur ep3 because your not supposed to have a SUv motor in a passenger vehicle.

davisj3537
05-06-2008, 02:15 PM
you dont need to change the harness for a k20, you can just run a a3 knock sensor


only con i can think of is the limit of high revving.

Now why didn't I think of that.lol.:tinfoil3:

Slip_Angle
05-06-2008, 06:40 PM
cons: weak rods

Excluding k24a2

whitt
05-06-2008, 06:53 PM
Revs. Really the only reason I went with k20.

02Si&07Si
05-06-2008, 07:24 PM
Im interested in a k24a2 non dbw motor.

arthur
05-07-2008, 10:49 AM
how many mpg is a k42a1 wit 310cc injector doing?? with stock ep3 ecu??

K-Shark
05-07-2008, 11:05 AM
what about torque steer and hard launching?

k24 owners please chime in...

powdbyrice
05-07-2008, 11:24 AM
I guess the only cons for us Kali people is passing smog probably? Although it is possible to pass but haven't heard of someone passing legally yet...

i dont see why it wouldnt pass smog? it was designed to pass smog unlike the k20a.

as far as mileage goes, k24 in the tsx gets 19/28 mpg and the tsx weighs ~3200lbs. ep weighs ~2800lbs, so i would assume the mileage would be a tad better?

kprocivic
05-07-2008, 11:30 AM
Im interested in a k24a2 non dbw motor.

i thought all the k24a2 were dbw.

kprocivic
05-07-2008, 11:32 AM
i dont see why it wouldnt pass smog? it was designed to pass smog unlike the k20a.

as far as mileage goes, k24 in the tsx gets 19/28 mpg and the tsx weighs ~3200lbs. ep weighs ~2800lbs, so i would assume the mileage would be a tad better?

yeah the k24a2 would pass everything, but like someone said the k24a1 is not a legal swap in cali unless its going in a small truck or suv.

davisj3537
05-07-2008, 11:32 AM
how many mpg is a k42a1 wit 310cc injector doing?? with stock ep3 ecu??

It is going to get prob 2 to 3 mpg worse than you are getting now.

what about torque steer and hard launching?

k24 owners please chime in...

lol. Tq steer is a blessing.hehe.

davisj3537
05-07-2008, 11:33 AM
yeah the k24a2 would pass everything, but like someone said the k24a1 is not a legal swap in cali unless its going in a small truck or suv.

Who's gonna know? Unless they check the stamp...I don't live in Cali so don't know how hardcore they get but I can't imagine them being that dickish.

kprocivic
05-07-2008, 11:38 AM
Who's gonna know? Unless they check the stamp...I don't live in Cali so don't know how hardcore they get but I can't imagine them being that dickish.

oh im not worried.

epcivicboy08
05-07-2008, 11:43 AM
I guess the only cons for us Kali people is passing smog probably? Although it is possible to pass but haven't heard of someone passing legally yet...

the same rules apply to the k24's the same as they did for B-series engines. With the exception of the CRV motor since it is considered a light truck.

But pretty much as long as you retain all stock components (i.e. headers..although i hear you will need to get one that can clear the sway bar...just make sure it has a CARB number on it, intake manifold, wiring harness, USDM computer, all necessary sensors, etc.) you should be able to get it BAR'd. Then you get a nice sticker certifying you and when the cops pull you over and make you pop your hood you can just point and smile :mbiggrin:

K-Shark
05-07-2008, 12:44 PM
lol. Tq steer is a blessing.hehe.

so the tq steer isn't that bad? i know weltall was elluding to the fact that his tq steer was god awful, but then again he's making gobs and gobs of tq.

davisj3537
05-07-2008, 12:46 PM
so the tq steer isn't that bad? i know weltall was elluding to the fact that his tq steer was god awful, but then again he's making gobs and gobs of tq.

I was kinda joking. I was running right at 300wtq, punching the gas and trying to change lanes was damn near impossible...cool but somewhat dangerous if you are not carefull. Tq steer can change lanes for you, litterally if you don't a atleat one hand FIRMLY on the wheel.

Guardian
05-07-2008, 01:22 PM
tq steers not that bad unless you have a lsd

arthur
05-07-2008, 03:09 PM
300wtq!!! wow!!!!

clutch797
05-07-2008, 03:37 PM
I love my k24a1. I get better gas mileage then my k20a3 but i think thats b/c i street tuned it. On avg. i get 24-28mpg with rc550's all round so i'm happy. The tq steer is not that bad so don't worry about that. Now when i was boosted, yea, tq steer was a bitch.

K-Shark
05-07-2008, 03:47 PM
I love my k24a1. I get better gas mileage then my k20a3 but i think thats b/c i street tuned it. On avg. i get 24-28mpg with rc550's all round so i'm happy. The tq steer is not that bad so don't worry about that. Now when i was boosted, yea, tq steer was a bitch.

thanks clutch! that's exactly the answer i was looking for.

BTW, how much TQ are you making on the k24a1?

K-Shark
05-07-2008, 03:49 PM
I was kinda joking. I was running right at 300wtq, punching the gas and trying to change lanes was damn near impossible...cool but somewhat dangerous if you are not carefull. Tq steer can change lanes for you, litterally if you don't a atleat one hand FIRMLY on the wheel.

300wtq!

DAYUM!

talk about overkill on a hatchback...i'm guessing you're boosted...

does anyone have a clue as to what amount of TQ would exhibit "unsafe" TQ steer?

Guardian
05-07-2008, 05:54 PM
300wtq!

DAYUM!

talk about overkill on a hatchback...i'm guessing you're boosted...

does anyone have a clue as to what amount of TQ would exhibit "unsafe" TQ steer?

when you only have 1 wheel drive you dont get much tq steer at all. last time i went to the track on street tires i almost got put into the wall with a quaife and 321wtq

davisj3537
05-07-2008, 06:29 PM
when you only have 1 wheel drive you dont get much tq steer at all. last time i went to the track on street tires i almost got put into the wall with a quaife and 321wtq

^He is right. However you still get some tq steer without a lsd just not as bad on the launch since you just spin the one tire. I can tell you I DID NOT LIKE stomping the gas trying to change lanes @80 or so. Its just fucking scary.lol.

sloweredcivic
05-17-2008, 03:36 PM
I love my k24a1. I get better gas mileage then my k20a3 but i think thats b/c i street tuned it. On avg. i get 24-28mpg with rc550's all round so i'm happy. The tq steer is not that bad so don't worry about that. Now when i was boosted, yea, tq steer was a bitch.

That mileage does not sound to bad for the extra torque that's with k pro right? does that 30 ftlbs really make it that much more fun to drive? If i do the six speed i have to swap to kpro don't i, i can't use the stock ep3 ecu with the 310cc injectors?

03Si757
05-18-2008, 10:46 AM
That mileage does not sound to bad for the extra torque that's with k pro right? does that 30 ftlbs really make it that much more fun to drive? If i do the six speed i have to swap to kpro don't i, i can't use the stock ep3 ecu with the 310cc injectors?

You don't HAVE to get Kpro with the K24a1 swap but you will need 310 (Type-S) injectors to run on the stock ECU which is currently what im doing, but iv run into a running lean issue so I will be getting Kpro within the next week. The torque is REALLY noticeably different and not to mention the VTec is stronger, specially in 3rd :scared:

03Si757
05-18-2008, 10:48 AM
Also I do 90% city driving and I average 23-27 mpg with the K24a1. About the same as my K20a3. Im sure with KPro and a good tuning it'll increase.

sloweredcivic
05-18-2008, 11:55 AM
i was asking about the six speed swap for some reason i think i read the a3 ecu won't work with the 6 speed

AUTiger
05-18-2008, 01:09 PM
You don't HAVE to get Kpro with the K24a1 swap but you will need 310 (Type-S) injectors to run on the stock ECU which is currently what im doing, but iv run into a running lean issue so I will be getting Kpro within the next week. The torque is REALLY noticeably different and not to mention the VTec is stronger, specially in 3rd :scared:

not bashing you, but I am positive that your k24a1 does not have a vtec kick. The only way is if you have an a2 head and k-pro. But since you said you are using the stock ecu I am guessing it's all k24.

2004ep3hatch
05-18-2008, 02:51 PM
from i read this motor has the best flowing head up to like 7300rpm? k2a2 takes over after. i don't need to rev that high, thats why i wanted a bigger motor. more TQ down low. i want to be able to get were i want at 5000rpm instead of 8000 rpm. i just like it better lol.

bottom line for me is all the mods from my a3 work way better and give much better results and i have a higher max power ceiling with stock internals from what im told.

03Si757
05-19-2008, 05:22 AM
not bashing you, but I am positive that your k24a1 does not have a vtec kick. The only way is if you have an a2 head and k-pro. But since you said you are using the stock ecu I am guessing it's all k24.

Never said anything about a VTec kick lol, and the power in the VTec range is way more noticable then the K20a3.

pynikal
05-19-2008, 06:57 PM
It is going to get prob 2 to 3 mpg worse than you are getting now.


lol. Tq steer is a blessing.hehe.

tq steer from a honda......unheard of.....:mtongue:

clizoman
05-20-2008, 11:43 AM
my mpg isnt that bad...on my k24

davisj3537
05-20-2008, 11:53 AM
i was asking about the six speed swap for some reason i think i read the a3 ecu won't work with the 6 speed

Your ecu doesn't recognize the difference.... You can run a 6spd with the stock ecu.

davisj3537
05-20-2008, 11:54 AM
You don't HAVE to get Kpro with the K24a1 swap but you will need 310 (Type-S) injectors to run on the stock ECU which is currently what im doing, but iv run into a running lean issue so I will be getting Kpro within the next week. The torque is REALLY noticeably different and not to mention the VTec is stronger, specially in 3rd :scared:

You must be having lean issues from the bolt ons. I know w/o bolt ons there is no lean issue so you are getting more air from the boltons and its not adding fuel from lack of kpro.

talonXracer
05-20-2008, 11:58 AM
The K24 platform responds VERY well to simple bolt-ons, due to it's abillity to pump alot of air each engine revolution. I wouldnt doubt at all it is running lean.

03Si757
05-20-2008, 10:35 PM
The K24 platform responds VERY well to simple bolt-ons, due to it's abillity to pump alot of air each engine revolution. I wouldnt doubt at all it is running lean.

Ordered KPro today along with my Innovatives :mcool: Went with a special a vendor on here is having so I should get around Friday.

weltall
05-23-2008, 04:20 PM
i know your location says newport news but i have seen a blue ep with a black bumper on newriver

is that you

03Si757
05-23-2008, 10:57 PM
i know your location says newport news but i have seen a blue ep with a black bumper on newriver

is that you

I doubt it, i dont even know where that is lol.

arthur
05-24-2008, 09:31 PM
what should i get first, a kpro or a k24a1??

03Si757
05-24-2008, 09:47 PM
what should i get first, a kpro or a k24a1??

Good question, Id say KPro. I wish I got it first but I was forced to buy a new motor.