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Team_Drip!!!
06-08-2008, 10:07 AM
What's going on my fellow Ephatchers? I'm stuck, I'm gonna be getting somee money from my job (around 6 thousand) Now I was thinking on getting a full Type R swap.. But then I've been reading that its not worth it... I then thought about the k24 with the type Head and the rest of the swap... What do you guys think??? Also I just found out my Grandfather has in import license how much do you think ,if I can, can a k20 type r str8 from somewhere in Japan because I heard that swaps overthere are rather cheap compared to the prices out here. Any info will be great thatnx.

Guardian
06-08-2008, 12:02 PM
buy my turbo kit instead

squeak04si
06-08-2008, 12:22 PM
you can do a k24/k20 with a turbo kit for the price of just a type r swap and be wayyyyyy faster

Jpax
06-08-2008, 12:41 PM
buy my turbo kit instead

is it me or have you been selling it for like 4 years now lol:mbiggrin:

kon
06-08-2008, 03:56 PM
I vote for K24/K20. It will have more usable power around town and will cost considerably less then a typeR swap any way you cut it. Only thing you'll have to think about with the K24/K20 swap is the trans you'll want.

Team_Drip!!!
06-08-2008, 11:29 PM
I vote for K24/K20. It will have more usable power around town and will cost considerably less then a typeR swap any way you cut it. Only thing you'll have to think about with the K24/K20 swap is the trans you'll want.

Ok well I was hoping that I could get the Type R for as cheap as I've heard str8 from Japan... Then once I get tired of the type r long block and wanted more power, Take the head off the type R and put it with a k24 short block... This way I already have the Type R Lsd Trans in my car... Or do I just get a K24 Put a Type S Head on it. Get a Type S Trans,put an after Market Lsd and call it? I do not want to go Boast I want to stay all motor and make some good numbers...

Guardian
06-09-2008, 05:11 AM
is it me or have you been selling it for like 4 years now lol:mbiggrin:

a month and 8 days, ppl are broke and/or flakers:mfrown:

nsquick
06-09-2008, 08:02 PM
if u go type r u will enjoy da high reving and nice take offs

Team_Drip!!!
06-09-2008, 08:07 PM
Ok well I was hoping that I could get the Type R for as cheap as I've heard str8 from Japan... Then once I get tired of the type r long block and wanted more power, Take the head off the type R and put it with a k24 short block... This way I already have the Type R Lsd Trans in my car... Or do I just get a K24 Put a Type S Head on it. Get a Type S Trans,put an after Market Lsd and call it? I do not want to go Boast I want to stay all motor and make some good numbers...

Can any1 else give me some insight?

Mickey
06-09-2008, 08:12 PM
If you are like me who's not very knowledgable about working with motors and hates going to shop to have something fixed every now and then then go straight swap either a K20A or K20A2. Kpro is a must.
Im happy with my K20A.

thechromecoyote
06-09-2008, 08:14 PM
k24/k20 frank with a mean turbo kit. Costs less and gives you more power.

Get a type S tranny and an aftermarket LSD

ecsahs3
06-09-2008, 08:18 PM
k24/k20 frank with a mean turbo kit. Costs less and gives you more power.

Get a type S tranny and an aftermarket LSD

type s tranny with boost? most people would recommend sticking with the 5 speed on boost. why would you recommend going with a 6 speed?

someone is selling k24a4's in the classifieds for $650. go that route and build the engine. it will save you money.

clujalolo
06-10-2008, 06:38 PM
i say k24a1 stock with a k20a2 head, all stock with a 5-speed if you plan on going boost, but a k24a1/a2 head vs. a k20a ep both same weight and everything, the k24 ep would pull slightly ahead......but remember a k24 can only rev to like MAX 8000, and a k20a to like 8800 easily. But k24/a2 head, would be MUCCHHHH cheaper, k20a's are so damn expensive its retarded, just cus its from Japan, kiss my ass lol.
And once your done just throw on a S/C or if you got $$ put a turbo kit on. But i say dont go k20a, your gonna just throw away all your money when you can spend less and have a faster car.

Team_Drip!!!
06-10-2008, 09:15 PM
i say k24a1 stock with a k20a2 head, all stock with a 5-speed if you plan on going boost, but a k24a1/a2 head vs. a k20a ep both same weight and everything, the k24 ep would pull slightly ahead......but remember a k24 can only rev to like MAX 8000, and a k20a to like 8800 easily. But k24/a2 head, would be MUCCHHHH cheaper, k20a's are so damn expensive its retarded, just cus its from Japan, kiss my ass lol.
And once your done just throw on a S/C or if you got $$ put a turbo kit on. But i say dont go k20a, your gonna just throw away all your money when you can spend less and have a faster car.

Now as i said before if I can get the swap for cheap like 2 grand str8 from Japan would it be worth it? I've Heard K24 are weak and blow easy...I don't want boast at all... I want all motor setup that i can drive Daily... Is 300hp all motor too much of a goal ot reach?

kon
06-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Now as i said before if I can get the swap for cheap like 2 grand str8 from Japan would it be worth it? I've Heard K24 are weak and blow easy...I don't want boast at all... I want all motor setup that i can drive Daily... Is 300hp all motor too much of a goal ot reach?

Not sure where your getting your info, but it may not be 100% accurate. If you can get a K20a, the type R motor from Japan, for 2 grand then I would stop searching right now and just get that (assuming it comes with the trans...even if it doesn't actually). lol...I want to say that you are looking at at least $1500 for a cheap bare bones K24a1/K20a2 swap (best case scenario after all is said and done). K-pro is highly recomended either way you go.

I don't believe that there is too much truth to K24/K20 swaps being any less reliable then K20 swaps. Its all in how you do the work and TUNE. Also helps if you keep the revs below 8000rpm.

clujalolo
06-10-2008, 09:48 PM
Not sure where your getting your info, but it may not be 100% accurate. If you can get a K20a, the type R motor from Japan, for 2 grand then I would stop searching right now and just get that (assuming it comes with the trans...even if it doesn't actually). lol...I want to say that you are looking at at least $1500 for a cheap bare bones K24a1/K20a2 swap (best case scenario after all is said and done). K-pro is highly recomended either way you go.

I don't believe that there is too much truth to K24/K20 swaps being any less reliable then K20 swaps. Its all in how you do the work and TUNE. Also helps if you keep the revs below 8000rpm.

yeh, he's right, k24/k20 are as reliable as the installer, even with a k20a, if you could get the k20a for 2g's i would do it instantly, but only if it came with the tranny, cus you can find used k20a's w/o trannys for the same price plus less shipping cus from japan im guessing its a little pricey. but if you can get it with a tranny too, then do it, thats a GREAT deal. but if its more like 3-4g's then i would just save my money and do a k24/k20, well more worth it, and you get that nice tq down low, i dont know i just love tq.

TQ > HP:mbiggrin:

clujalolo
06-10-2008, 09:56 PM
Now as i said before if I can get the swap for cheap like 2 grand str8 from Japan would it be worth it? I've Heard K24 are weak and blow easy...I don't want boast at all... I want all motor setup that i can drive Daily... Is 300hp all motor too much of a goal ot reach?

300hp, daily, idk, thats kinda high.......you'll have to do lots of building, easiest way would be high compression pistons, cams all that nice stuff. but thats a little much 300hp, i would just do some nice cames maybe IPS, or some brian crower cams.


IF you look in some of the threads there's a thread about common questions about k24's, and i posted how much hp can you expect from a k24/k20, and Davis (k24 guy) said i should see 220whp 180wtq, thats with i/e/rh, kpro and a tune, IMO thats a really good....with some cams you can get it a little higher. but 180tq is just amazing, for a civic......but think about it, but 300hp is just way to much work, its easier to just get a S/C on there and your set and its safe.

kon
06-10-2008, 10:02 PM
300hp, daily, idk, thats kinda high.......you'll have to do lots of building, easiest way would be high compression pistons, cams all that nice stuff. but thats a little much 300hp, i would just do some nice cames maybe IPS, or some brian crower cams.


IF you look in some of the threads there's a thread about common questions about k24's, and i posted how much hp can you expect from a k24/k20, and Davis (k24 guy) said i should see 220whp 180wtq, thats with i/e/rh, kpro and a tune, IMO thats a really good....with some cams you can get it a little higher. but 180tq is just amazing, for a civic......but think about it, but 300hp is just way to much work, its easier to just get a S/C on there and your set and its safe.

Agreed. 300whp is not an easy goal to hit, and is even more expensive then having a reliable turbo set-up (that would probably yeild more power). I say get some nice K24/K20 parts and build it up, you will be happy...no question about that.

shadowmd
06-11-2008, 07:35 AM
k24's are nice but i love my high revving a2. call me a ricer lol i just love hearing my motor scream

lldiesel386ll
06-11-2008, 09:32 AM
mmm...k24:mbiggrin:
torque is amazing:thumb:

Team_Drip!!!
06-11-2008, 02:24 PM
Thank you EPhatchers' I def. got some thinking to do...

talonXracer
06-11-2008, 02:31 PM
Talk to Nikos for a built K24 short block, add a Z3 head with RBC, get a NIB PRB ECU with Kpro and you will be under your goal amount.

A high reving torque monster.

lldiesel386ll
06-11-2008, 08:02 PM
Talk to Nikos for a built K24 short block, add a Z3 head with RBC, get a NIB PRB ECU with Kpro and you will be under your goal amount.

A high reving torque monster.

listen to doug :hail:
if i had the money for one of nikos's short blocks i may have picked one up

ecsahs3
06-12-2008, 05:53 AM
Talk to Nikos for a built K24 short block, add a Z3 head with RBC, get a NIB PRB ECU with Kpro and you will be under your goal amount.

A high reving torque monster.

really? for 2gs from nikos?

if you could get a k20a with tranny and ecu for 2g's, i dont know what you're waiting for. that's a sick deal. start going to the track (road course), you'll have a great time.

2004ep3hatch
06-12-2008, 05:59 PM
im happy with my k24, im happy with going only to 7000. i like being able to make all my power without reving so hi.. also keeps the cops away! they can hear a 8000 plus rev monster.

shadowmd
06-12-2008, 06:35 PM
im happy with my k24, im happy with going only to 7000. i like being able to make all my power without reving so hi.. also keeps the cops away! they can hear a 8000 plus rev monster.

ooo yes they can lol...but i hit full tq. around 3k...a lil before... (158wtq)(should be a lil more with my new mods) so its not bad at all :mcool:

Guardian
06-12-2008, 07:22 PM
i wish i had tq:mfrown:

shadowmd
06-12-2008, 08:04 PM
i wish i had tq:mfrown:

YEAH! ooooookkkkkaaayyyyy lol :mangel::horn:

Norcal Ep3
06-12-2008, 11:45 PM
k24/k20 frank with a mean turbo kit. Costs less and gives you more power.

Get a type S tranny and an aftermarket LSD

I agree, But if you go boosted... Save yourself some cash and stick to the longer geared original A3 tranny. But get a quality LSD (or ATD) like Quaife with the cash saved... Thats exactly what I did with my setup. :rockon:

Guardian
06-13-2008, 05:16 AM
or get a ppg gear set for your ep tranny:mtongue:

koftaboy
06-22-2008, 03:56 PM
HI, i have a K20A3 i was thinking about doing something to this motor like change the head to the type s head K20A or the A2 some people tell me do the whole sawp but its like $ 6000 plus another 1000 to install it i really dont have 7000 to spend or maybe more if anything goes wrong you know so is there any other way to tune the A3 from like 160 HP to like maybe 220 or 240 bolt on or K pro send it to hondata headers, catback, inatke whatever if any 1 can help with a good advise please do so thankx

Deadphishy
06-22-2008, 05:34 PM
HI, i have a K20A3 i was thinking about doing something to this motor like change the head to the type s head K20A or the A2 some people tell me do the whole sawp but its like $ 6000 plus another 1000 to install it i really dont have 7000 to spend or maybe more if anything goes wrong you know so is there any other way to tune the A3 from like 160 HP to like maybe 220 or 240 bolt on or K pro send it to hondata headers, catback, inatke whatever if any 1 can help with a good advise please do so thankx

wow welcome to the site. with that said you have a lot of reading to do.
let me just say 220 hp is possible, but not likely.



To the TS
it all depends on what you want. low end or high end. but for either a K24 or K20 300whp is a very tall order na, and wont make a very good DD. and to get there youll need to replace the pistons rods, cam, valve springs..... anyway. so why spend all that money on type R stuff if is just going to get yanked out.

biga2442
06-23-2008, 05:34 AM
really? for 2gs from nikos?

if you could get a k20a with tranny and ecu for 2g's, i dont know what you're waiting for. that's a sick deal. start going to the track (road course), you'll have a great time.

Be careful when buyig a Type R K20A, there are a few types, the only way ot really tell is pull the valve cover and look at the cames to make sure there are 3 lobs. I have seen those go as cheap as 4500 complete but not 2000 if you get the other your basically buying a a3 with a red valvecover

Deadphishy
06-23-2008, 08:37 AM
Be careful when buyig a Type R K20A, there are a few types, the only way ot really tell is pull the valve cover and look at the cames to make sure there are 3 lobs. I have seen those go as cheap as 4500 complete but not 2000 if you get the other your basically buying a a3 with a red valvecover

Thats mainly an EBay issue

JDM k20a on ebay means JDM k20a3

az-epdrvr
06-23-2008, 08:51 AM
go with k24a2 w/6sd tranny

jgiant
06-23-2008, 07:12 PM
How much does the k24a2 rev to with the 5sp tranny.

chad jones
06-23-2008, 07:31 PM
How much does the k24a2 rev to with the 5sp tranny.

the same as it does with any tranny...

Its not the revving thats changed.. its the speed at which you switch gears.