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Fico
08-02-2008, 12:46 PM
K24A4 (waterport fixed)
Prb Intake Manifold and Throttlebody
Kpro (or 310 cc injectors)
Ebay Coldair Intake
Energy Suspention Engine Mounts

this all comes to around 1400bu (500 if you dont use kpro) plus the cost of swapping but if you do it yourself then well its free lol. I have done the swap before and its not to hard just a little time consumeing. all the sensors you need will swap over from the k20a3 along with the alternator ac and idle pully.
You can fit up whatever exhaust setup you want to it aswell.
Some people have sway bar clearance issues but not everyone.
On this setup im running around a 14.5-14.7 in the quarter mile which is faster then superchaged A3's

this is fun as shit to drive onthe streets and i love it because i still get good gas milage 28city 36 highway

any other question you may have about the set up let me know and ill be happy to tell you what i know.

Paolo
08-02-2008, 12:53 PM
yeah my friend had a k24a4 and s/c'd it, he made alota of power..

or

if you swap a k24a1, you have more options for power and... thicker rods.

jalep3
08-02-2008, 01:15 PM
Very good point, id rather have a swap than a SC too, cheaper, more reliable, better gas milage!
yeah i want a swap pretty bad

Fico
08-02-2008, 01:20 PM
yeah my friend had a k24a4 and s/c'd it, he made alota of power..

or

if you swap a k24a1, you have more options for power and... thicker rods.

the same power options are avalible for an a4 as an a1 the a1 is just better hence its 700bux more, if you want to build a k24 id suggest starting with an a4 because most people are going to head swap anyway so why waste money on a better engine if they all have the same block

Paolo
08-02-2008, 01:25 PM
the same power options are avalible for an a4 as an a1 the a1 is just better hence its 700bux more, if you want to build a k24 id suggest starting with an a4 because most people are going to head swap anyway so why waste money on a better engine if they all have the same block

to build then yes k24a4 because its cheaper but if your not gonna do any engine block work then your better off with the a1 because you cant just do a headswap on the a4.. with the a4 youd have to swap out pistons and rods but with the k24a1, the a2 head will just slap on with no piston or rod mods

Fico
08-02-2008, 01:28 PM
true but its usualy cheaper just to buy a tsx long block

bchaney
08-02-2008, 02:07 PM
tsx longblock = $2500.

a1 = $1300, a2 head = $800, total = $2100. The poor man's tsx swap.

I'll prob take the a4 route if I decide to change internals.

Fico
08-02-2008, 02:12 PM
i got my tsx long block for 700bux i dont know where you guys shop

thisisagame24
08-02-2008, 02:16 PM
i dont wanna sound like a dick....but thats not always faster than a SC a3....my first time ever at the track i ran a 14.4 my best time of the day....and jerseyjew (who has pretty much the same mods as me just different exhuast) ran a 13.9

Fico
08-02-2008, 02:19 PM
i dont wanna sound like a dick....but thats not always faster than a SC a3....my first time ever at the track i ran a 14.4 my best time of the day....and jerseyjew (who has pretty much the same mods as me just different exhuast) ran a 13.9

exactly my point, you had further modification done, im simply saying that a starting with a stock ep and throwing a superchager on will cost about 2-3grand(thats with the power card not kpro), and to swap that same ep it would be 1-2grand. yeah i know that most people have more money into there cars then that but do you get my comparison now?

thisisagame24
08-02-2008, 02:59 PM
got ya....does make sence. but i just felt i needed to throw that in there. it might be close but i wouldnt say its going to be faster than a jrsc-r. but i do feel ya mang on saving money and making good power :bow:

Fico
08-02-2008, 03:06 PM
well i havent got a clean pass on the strip but with no traction and half the mods i have now i was at a 14.8 and now i have a 6 speed and a few other goodies, but my engine right now is fucked up i need to swap it for my other k24a4 and ill have that at the bbq meet so we will see what i can get there on a fresh engine and my new toys, im going to say low 14's but we will have to see!

infamous.john
08-03-2008, 05:57 PM
dude where the hell did you find a TSX long block for 700? sign me up right now! :meek:

ALep3
08-03-2008, 06:20 PM
K24A4 (waterport fixed)
Prb Intake Manifold and Throttlebody
Kpro (or 310 cc injectors)
Ebay Coldair Intake
Energy Suspention Engine Mounts

this all comes to around 1400bu (500 if you dont use kpro) plus the cost of swapping but if you do it yourself then well its free lol. I have done the swap before and its not to hard just a little time consumeing. all the sensors you need will swap over from the k20a3 along with the alternator ac and idle pully.
You can fit up whatever exhaust setup you want to it aswell.
Some people have sway bar clearance issues but not everyone.
On this setup im running around a 14.5-14.7 in the quarter mile which is faster then superchaged A3's

this is fun as shit to drive onthe streets and i love it because i still get good gas milage 28city 36 highway

any other question you may have about the set up let me know and ill be happy to tell you what i know.

this will be my exact setup + a 50 shot. BTW for those looking to save anymore cash a bolt on a3 with a 50 shot runs 14 flat with drag radials.

ALep3
08-03-2008, 06:22 PM
i got my tsx long block for 700bux i dont know where you guys shop

I may be wrong but isnt a k24a4 a accord or element motor not a tsx or did I miss somthing anyway I got the same motor for $500.

bchaney
08-03-2008, 07:25 PM
Yea Fico hook us up with your engine source.

bchaney
08-03-2008, 07:27 PM
I may be wrong but isnt a k24a4 a accord or element motor not a tsx or did I miss somthing anyway I got the same motor for $500.

The a4 is an accord/element engine and, yes, they are cheap.

Anywhere I've seen has the tsx (a2) at $2000+.

shadowmd
08-03-2008, 07:28 PM
yea the a4 is the accord motor....the tsx is the k24a2

classiccelica
08-03-2008, 08:40 PM
yeah I was thinking k24a4 get forged pistons and eagle H beam rods, arp everything, a2 head and there you have 8500 rpm potential in a 2.4 liter motor.

Fico
08-03-2008, 09:04 PM
i just know people. its easy to find shit cheap when you have ears everywhere. thats how i got a free carbon fiber hood, and a bunch of other hook ups that you would shit if i told you.

Lost03si
08-03-2008, 11:20 PM
Fico is right. You just need to know people or keep on Parts hunting. I got my K24a1 Longblock for 800 with 28K Miles. A few days before that I was going to buy a K24a1 from this one fella for 1100. Thank god I didn't because SleepinEp lead me to the right source.:mbiggrin:

magmagik 1
08-06-2008, 09:19 PM
Yea but tsx longblocks are harder to come by every day.

davisj3537
08-07-2008, 06:36 AM
I'm failing to see how you swapped for 500 bucks...clutch/water port fittings/crv mount/coolant/oil/filter/pilot bushing/throw out bearing/new belt/gaskets. It can be done for very cheap if you cut a bunch of corners but I think the 500 is a bit unrealistic. I can see maybe getting a local a4 motor for maybe 400 which is a steal but then add in the other parts and I think it is a stretch.

Fico
08-07-2008, 06:51 AM
I'm failing to see how you swapped for 500 bucks...clutch/water port fittings/crv mount/coolant/oil/filter/pilot bushing/throw out bearing/new belt/gaskets. It can be done for very cheap if you cut a bunch of corners but I think the 500 is a bit unrealistic. I can see maybe getting a local a4 motor for maybe 400 which is a steal but then add in the other parts and I think it is a stretch.

clutch- i could have used stock but i went aftermarket, i was in need of a clutch anyway so i hardly factor this into the swap.

water port fittings- 10 bux maybe?

crv mount- came on engine

coolant-12 bux

oil/filter-12 bux?

pilot bushing- already taken care of

throw out bearing- comes with clutch

new belt- 20 bux at autozone (only because i deleted a/c, my stock belt had 5k miles on it if that)

gaskets-had them all

slo_k20
08-07-2008, 07:24 AM
i want to do this...

Fico
08-07-2008, 07:58 AM
i want to do this...

do it!!!! its easyer then a d-b swap in older hondas, i mean shit, its the same engine...only different lol and torque is nice for a frisky DD

davisj3537
08-07-2008, 08:45 AM
clutch- i could have used stock but i went aftermarket, i was in need of a clutch anyway so i hardly factor this into the swap.

water port fittings- 10 bux maybe?

crv mount- came on engine

coolant-12 bux

oil/filter-12 bux?

pilot bushing- already taken care of

throw out bearing- comes with clutch

new belt- 20 bux at autozone (only because i deleted a/c, my stock belt had 5k miles on it if that)

gaskets-had them all

Well the stock clutch wont hold the extra tq very efficiently but you could use a crv clutch that would work great for cheap but thats another 100 bucks. How did you score a crv passenger mount on your engine if it didn't come out of a crv?lol. Also don't forget the 310cc injectors. I certainly agree that this swap can be done for pretty cheap.

Fico
08-07-2008, 09:00 AM
the crv mount cam on the engien because the engine was a swap my buddie had laying around hence why i payed 400 for it

davisj3537
08-07-2008, 09:53 AM
the crv mount cam on the engien because the engine was a swap my buddie had laying around hence why i payed 400 for it

Nice! You lucky dog:mcool:

davisj3537
08-07-2008, 09:54 AM
Quick question...are you running the 14.5 w/ the 6spd or was that with 5spd?

Fico
08-07-2008, 03:16 PM
i dont know what i run with a 6 speed because i havent been to the track with it, only the 5, and yeah i know i lucked out on my engine but the crv mount is about 32 bux or something its relatively cheap

davisj3537
08-08-2008, 07:37 AM
i dont know what i run with a 6 speed because i havent been to the track with it, only the 5, and yeah i know i lucked out on my engine but the crv mount is about 32 bux or something its relatively cheap
Oh right it is cheap...I was saying you got a score on the engine regardless of mount or not:mbiggrin:

BigLon30
08-09-2008, 06:04 PM
i dont know what i run with a 6 speed because i havent been to the track with it, only the 5, and yeah i know i lucked out on my engine but the crv mount is about 32 bux or something its relatively cheap

Did the price of the CRV mount go up ? Cause I think I paid like $25 for mine like 4 months ago :confused: But whatever it is I agree it is relatively cheap.

Fico
08-09-2008, 07:54 PM
Did the price of the CRV mount go up ? Cause I think I paid like $25 for mine like 4 months ago :confused: But whatever it is I agree it is relatively cheap.

i dont know i was just guestimateing

bchaney
08-10-2008, 08:34 AM
How are the ESMM inserts with the k24?

Is there much difference between them and replacement motor mounts?

Fico
08-10-2008, 11:02 AM
i dont know i havent driven in a car with full replacement mounts, i have a torque dampner and esmm's and i dont have any vibration

clutch797
08-10-2008, 08:38 PM
I have a k24 with esmm and i get vib's with the a/c on but that's it.

bchaney
08-11-2008, 07:36 AM
I thought that more vibrations = stiffer mounts = better road to wheel contact.

Aren't vibrations a good thing performance-wise?

clutch797
08-12-2008, 11:10 PM
I don't think so, but it's like anything that gives you something, You have to give up something for it.

davisj3537
08-13-2008, 06:26 AM
I don't think so, but it's like anything that gives you something, You have to give up something for it.

Precisely. For every mod there is a sacrifice wether it is small or large.

bchaney
08-13-2008, 06:40 AM
Yea I think I can deal with some vibrations. I wasn't saying that vibrations increase performance, they're just a necessary side-effect. Stiffer mounts = more vibs = better performance.

What I'm really asking is how much different, performance-wise, the ESMM inserts would be in comparison to full mounts like Innovative. The price difference is pretty large.

Side Q: Would I need the Innovative front mount too?

davisj3537
08-13-2008, 07:46 AM
It depends on the level your car is on...if you have a serious build then all four mounts would be a good choice. For a mild build then I'd say 3 mounts and a insert in the front. For bolt ons or anything under 230whp the esmm's will be fine.
Just my 2 cents