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RedSiBaron
08-07-2008, 07:56 AM
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/07/honda-considering-offering-jdm-models-in-the-u-s/

check it out!

qkcivic
08-07-2008, 07:59 AM
would be nice to see a civic type r in the states

thechromecoyote
08-07-2008, 08:02 AM
shame this is most likely only going to result in gas-sippers being imported, doubt we'll see a CTR anytime soon.

RedSiBaron
08-07-2008, 08:02 AM
would be nice to see a civic type r in the states

werd...if people buy the more pedestrian cars we might see that happen...i think the success of the 4 door si here may lead them to take that chance...i hope so...


shame this is most likely only going to result in gas-sippers being imported, doubt we'll see a CTR anytime soon.

very true, but hoping is nice...

nizmoluvep3
08-07-2008, 08:07 AM
i guess we can all hope but it'll probably be a couple years before they get the cars usdm inspection approved...oh well guess we shall see

gutierrez626
08-07-2008, 08:38 AM
i read somewhere that the ctr 2010 for sure

Kodeen
08-07-2008, 08:40 AM
Autoblog is blocked at work, could someone please give a breif synopsis?

mattism78
08-07-2008, 08:45 AM
Autoblog is blocked at work, could someone please give a breif synopsis?

Much attention has been paid to Ford's decision to bring six Euro Fords over to the States, but the Blue Oval isn't the only automaker that has good looking, fuel efficient vehicles overseas. Honda has a variety of petrol-sipping vehicles in its Japanese home market, and is now studying whether those are worth selling here in the U.S. The Japan-to-U.S. formula has already worked well with the stylish, sporty and efficient Fit, sales of which are up 73% this year. While the Fit has been sold in the U.S. since 2006, it has also been available in almost identical trim in Japan since 2001.

So Honda is considering offering its JDM Odyssey and compact Stream wagon (above) for the U.S., which would give the brand some wagon-like choices in its lineup. For now Honda is trying not to deviate from its long-term plans, but if the gas-drag on the U.S. market persists, bringing JDM models to market here is a no-brainer if they don't require a ton of investment to meet U.S. emissions and safety standards. As you might expect, we're all for this plan. While they're at it, we'll take the JDM Civic Type-R, too.

mattism78
08-07-2008, 08:49 AM
I think we'll see more and more european/japanese subcompacts make their way in to the US market. I think it's awesome that the number of huge SUV's on the road is rapidly decreasing. I just hate that it seems every other car is a Prius. My local news said the Smart car's are on something like a one year back-order. Seeing how poorly most manufacturers are doing currently that's amazing. I know if I was a higher up in one of the big companies I'd do whatever to get a piece of that market share.

Kodeen
08-07-2008, 08:52 AM
Thank you, sir. Looks like more competition in the Mazda 5 segment, which is not particularly interesting to me but I'm sure some people will be happy about it. I really don't think this means we'll get a CTR, though.

RedSiBaron
08-07-2008, 08:55 AM
i read somewhere that the ctr 2010 for sure

that sounds like bullshit cuz i havnt heard that...

SiN05
08-07-2008, 09:08 AM
i doubt any type-r will make it over here. between usa specs and a 30k minimum price tag , good luck. as far a euro cars go a euro accord(aka tsx) wagon would be sweet. honestly though i don't understand why they don;t incorporate the thrifty small engines that are already in the euro hondas like the diesels

Kodeen
08-07-2008, 09:17 AM
The FN2 CTR has only 1 more horsepower than the current Si, and they are also fairly equal in handling. If they were going to bring the CTR here, it would be the same sort of brand dilution that's happened in Europe, and the only good CTR would still be a Japan exclusive.

Hell, the FN2 CTR isn't even offered in Champ White.

!@#$%
08-07-2008, 10:44 AM
I bet any models being considered are diesels.

RedSiBaron
08-07-2008, 10:52 AM
if they brought the diesel over that would be exponentially epic

Tragedy
08-07-2008, 08:33 PM
Japan's current JDM lineup is nothing to be excited about, they should have done this years ago. Those bastids. The only cool car is the CTR.


Seriously, the newly-introduced Honda Freed is not worth a single thought.

http://publish.carsensorlab.net/media/newmodel/H_freed_rear.jpg



Other than the CTR, the only Honda I like is the Step Wagon.
You can't really tell in the pic, but this car is HUGE. It's bigger
than a USDM Odyssey.

http://www.344motoring.com/upload/raw/110553952346b5353a18d50.jpg







This is probably what we'd be getting:

http://response.jp/issue/2002/0207/article14804_1.images/22118.jpg


http://www.carview.co.jp/magazine/photo_impression/2006/honda_stream/images/01_l.jpg


http://www.downlow.co.jp/new-security-honda-set1-airwave.jpg

Strife
08-07-2008, 09:04 PM
Great, Honda is bringing some real turds over here.

Tortoise
08-07-2008, 09:06 PM
^^yeah that....theres a very slim chance of us gettin the ctr.

na14yu
08-07-2008, 09:06 PM
At this point, all I really want is the CRZ which is destined for our shores anyways.

0h5ive_EP3
08-07-2008, 09:13 PM
the stream looks like an accord wagon... pretty nice lookin

gettheledout
08-08-2008, 06:36 AM
but then everyone here would have to buy edm parts! :p

EggShellSi
08-08-2008, 06:54 AM
The step wagon looks sweet!!:mtongue: Are those suicide doors i see???

ShadySi
08-08-2008, 06:55 AM
it would be nice if we got the CSX-S here, but they are moving in a completely different (read: larger) direction in the US. whats new?

Heitzke
08-08-2008, 09:00 AM
I think the stream looks pretty cool, even thought I wouldn't consider purchasing one.

nrengle
08-08-2008, 01:21 PM
My father works for Honda, and was telling me that the new Civic has some nice "surprises" for the US market in 2010 or 11 (can't remember which one), and he said it's going to go through what they call a Major Major change (redesign). But it's been sent back to the drawing board already because it was made too big, and was almost direct competition with the Accord. We'll see what happens...

Air Maxalot
08-08-2008, 03:34 PM
Ah, rumors... CTR would be nice. The Stream actually looks pretty decent for a wagon

dashehonda
08-08-2008, 06:01 PM
Well with the gas prices, im sure they will all be econoboxes. Just like when we first got japanese cars in the states. There was a gas crisis then, and Honda and Toyota were big hits with their small displacement 4 bangers. and all the big bad V-8's were banished. Think of it as history repeating itself

gettheledout
08-09-2008, 10:14 PM
i think honda and toyota are big hits with their small displacement 4 bangers now... since my honda dealer never has any civics in stock..

clujalolo
08-09-2008, 11:39 PM
i read somewhere that the ctr 2010 for sure

thats what i heard too. one of my friends told me like 5 months ago saying he read a article saying that honda will be bringing the CTR in 2010.

clujalolo
08-09-2008, 11:41 PM
it would be nice if we got the CSX-S here, but they are moving in a completely different (read: larger) direction in the US. whats new?

the CSX-S is one hell of a car, its so nice, plus its identical to the CTR :mtongue: Im surprised they dont have them in the states.

v1c10us
08-10-2008, 01:58 PM
the mugen edition Si was a test, they wanted to see how many they would sell for 30 grand.
The answer was a resounding "not many" but they have intentions to bring the CTR here anyway at a price of around 26 before all of the dealer mark ups, you'd get out of the door for around 28 and of course this is because america is a bitch.
We'll demand a/c, the government will demand airbags everywhere, it'll have to meet emissions standards blah blah blah.
But it will have the type r badge and it'll look damn good and quantities will be limited to less than the Mugen edition Si because we didnt buy it so they think they can only sell a couple thousand a year.

civictype_r04
08-10-2008, 02:30 PM
Wow I hope they bring the Type R here in 2010. I'll defiantly be in line for one.

Robin786
08-10-2008, 03:52 PM
the mugen edition Si was a test, they wanted to see how many they would sell for 30 grand.
The answer was a resounding "not many" but they have intentions to bring the CTR here anyway at a price of around 26 before all of the dealer mark ups, you'd get out of the door for around 28 and of course this is because america is a bitch.
We'll demand a/c, the government will demand airbags everywhere, it'll have to meet emissions standards blah blah blah.
But it will have the type r badge and it'll look damn good and quantities will be limited to less than the Mugen edition Si because we didnt buy it so they think they can only sell a couple thousand a year.

They sure had some damn nerve even selling that damned Mugen Si. If it had a good bump up in power output like, I would look at a little different, but thats just thievery for comestic parts added to a "standard" Si.

v1c10us
08-11-2008, 10:27 PM
I agree.
They did do some suspension modification to the Mugen Si but there was no power increase to utilize it and most tests showed less than 1 second gained in lap times over the standard Si

frm_808
08-11-2008, 11:43 PM
shouldnt it matter on us bringing cars in and not honda. its americas specs and laws that makes jdm cars not able to come to the us..sorry never read the past 3 pages if this has been talked about already

icarus.na
08-13-2008, 11:50 AM
i hope and pray to God that honda will bring a better cars over to the states.

i'll be the first in line to buy a CTR if they offer it.

skep18
08-13-2008, 12:12 PM
i hope and pray to God that honda will bring a better cars over to the states.

i'll be the first in line to buy a CTR if they offer it.

Not me if it's only seeing a 1 hp bump up... Even with better suspension it might bring and "sporty" look, it won't be worth the couple grand jack up in price.

Hopefully they'll do some real power gains. It'd be nice to see these Civics blow past some of the competitors models right out of the factory.

black05ep
08-13-2008, 02:15 PM
The FN2 CTR has only 1 more horsepower than the current Si, and they are also fairly equal in handling. If they were going to bring the CTR here, it would be the same sort of brand dilution that's happened in Europe, and the only good CTR would still be a Japan exclusive.

Hell, the FN2 CTR isn't even offered in Champ White.


are u refering to the ugly little hatchback one with the stupid midwing on the hatch u cant see behind? the same one they are using for rally racing?..they tested that and the ep3-r on TOP GEAR(theres a thread about this somewhere) and it only made 1 more hp then the ep and was slower and less fun to drive.the ep3 smoked it around the track in a straight line and around the bendys.IMO they f-d up that type-r.too bad they'll never remake some of the older type-r's and bring them here,all the compact cars are getting as big as the midsize cars and midsize are getn close to full,etc.

jjermzz
08-13-2008, 02:32 PM
Even if we get a type-r it'll be different then the JDM one. I think its kinda fun looking for JDM, EDM parts. I see alotta people that have the SI, like old teachers, college girls, and spoiled mofos that do nothing and total them. They just buy it off the lot ready to go.

What we do is build our own Type-R. We put K24's, a2's, franks, CF, R spoilers. In japan they already got a fully equipped R, theres no more OEM upgrades to buy. So spoon, feels, j's, and mugen solves that problem. The new SI is just a common civic.

gettheledout
08-13-2008, 04:02 PM
lol old teachers can't drive an Si? Psshhh

skep18
08-13-2008, 04:07 PM
Even if we get a type-r it'll be different then the JDM one. I think its kinda fun looking for JDM, EDM parts. I see alotta people that have the SI, like old teachers, college girls, and spoiled mofos that do nothing and total them. They just buy it off the lot ready to go.

What we do is build our own Type-R. We put K24's, a2's, franks, CF, R spoilers. In japan they already got a fully equipped R, theres no more OEM upgrades to buy. So spoon, feels, j's, and mugen solves that problem. The new SI is just a common civic.

I agree, but on the practical side, not trying to be an @$$, but I'd rather get more horsepower outta the box rather than spend more ca$h making it that way. Besides, even with the mods you can do, there's always room for more power outta a stock motor. If you start at 160 flywheel hp, you can build and get more just the same way you can if you start with 200 fly hp.

But I see what you're saying. Just I'd like to see the Civic get a bit more respect on the road and if they came out with truely fast OEM models that smoked the factory Cobras or 350s :mangel: I think it'd start getting that bit. And if ppl still wanted their 30whatever mpg, that's what the lx, dx, ex, vp, etc are there for.

Unknownally
08-13-2008, 04:31 PM
If they do bring a Type R here to the US, it would be $28,000 which is not that much less than a Mugen Si. They would almost be head to head regarding speed, too. No one bought the Mugen Si, why would they choose a CTR over it? Just for the name?

lordofthesiths
08-13-2008, 04:44 PM
i'd buy it if it was the hatch and they dropped a turbo in it!!

skep18
08-13-2008, 04:55 PM
i'd buy it if it was the hatch and they dropped a turbo in it!!

lol, of course. Any Civic with OEM turbo WOULD SELL!!! That'd be a dream!

RedSiBaron
08-13-2008, 05:08 PM
uhhh...fuck the euro type r that you all keep getting excited over, the jdm type r is A LOT faster, go search on youtube ive seen videos of it hanging with an nsx on the track...maybe its just handling but id definitely take one if they sold it...

lordofthesiths
08-13-2008, 05:29 PM
uhhh...fuck the euro type r that you all keep getting excited over, the jdm type r is A LOT faster, go search on youtube ive seen videos of it hanging with an nsx on the track...maybe its just handling but id definitely take one if they sold it...

you can always add horsepower i like the styling alot better.

clujalolo
08-13-2008, 06:49 PM
uhhh...fuck the euro type r that you all keep getting excited over, the jdm type r is A LOT faster, go search on youtube ive seen videos of it hanging with an nsx on the track...maybe its just handling but id definitely take one if they sold it...

yeh, the euro R is garbage compared to the JDM R, ive seen that vid with it hanging with the NSX, wasn't Tuchiya(sp) driving the type R?

JDM things are always better, even the JDM ep3 is better, it has the k20A, not like the Euro ep3 which has the k20a2.

BigLon30
08-13-2008, 07:27 PM
i'd buy it if it was the hatch and they dropped a turbo in it!!

:yeahthat: I would even take the 4 door with a turbo motor. The K23 found in the RDX would be sweet in a Type R. Doubt it will ever happen though :mfrown:

v1c10us
08-13-2008, 07:33 PM
the euro r sucks
you could get out of the door with a type r for 26,900
but that will be the standard version, there will be plenty of options available to bump the price.

66elwood99
08-13-2008, 09:39 PM
I agree, but on the practical side, not trying to be an @$$, but I'd rather get more horsepower outta the box rather than spend more ca$h making it that way. Besides, even with the mods you can do, there's always room for more power outta a stock motor. If you start at 160 flywheel hp, you can build and get more just the same way you can if you start with 200 fly hp.



The nice thing about mods is that your insurance company thinks you have a 160 hp car not a 300 hp out of the box sportscar.....:mangel:

skep18
08-14-2008, 06:13 AM
Touché

Kodeen
08-14-2008, 09:22 AM
The nice thing about mods is that your insurance company thinks you have a 160 hp car not a 300 hp out of the box sportscar.....:mangel:

The EP is very overrated as far as insurance rates. You pay about the same as if you had a G35. Horsepower isn't everything.

skep18
08-14-2008, 11:06 AM
I'm still waitin for the RWD Civic!!!! YAH!!! Drift King!!!! lol

ep_hatcher_510
08-14-2008, 11:27 AM
Forget the type Rs, i'll take that oddyssy or the steam.

civictype_r04
08-18-2008, 04:11 PM
uhhh...fuck the euro type r that you all keep getting excited over, the jdm type r is A LOT faster, go search on youtube ive seen videos of it hanging with an nsx on the track...maybe its just handling but id definitely take one if they sold it...

Agreed.

ep3demon
04-07-2010, 03:01 AM
28k for a civic is a crime i dont care how many big shiny R's are on it.

for that price better higher capable performance vehicles can be attained. i say nty honda to that shit

ill keep my ep, besides they prob wont make much more hp over what most of you are pushing now

RedSiBaron
04-07-2010, 07:26 AM
good job bumping a zombie thread...

and for the record, you arent just paying for HP in the type r, you are paying for a lot of other goodies, if you just think the only difference is power output or if thats the only number you care about, then its obvious the type r wouldnt be the right car for you anyway :mrolleyes:

Guardian
04-07-2010, 08:36 AM
where's that 2010 usdm ctr..

Project Yellow
04-07-2010, 09:21 AM
I have a yellow 2010 CTR




matchbox.

Strife
04-07-2010, 10:29 AM
I have a 2012 Civic Type X with twin flux capacitors, a triple core processor and it even has a snorkel!

usedep3
04-07-2010, 10:32 AM
I have a 2012 Civic Type X with twin flux capacitors, a triple core processor and it even has a snorkel!

piczzzzzzzzz

Lucid Moments
04-07-2010, 11:15 AM
Screw all of you. I put NSX cams in my car and it makes so much power now I'm worried about setting the entire planet on fire every time I go full throttle.

Lucid Moments
04-07-2010, 11:18 AM
I have a 2012 Civic Type X with twin flux capacitors, a triple core processor and it even has a snorkel!

Yea but can it play Crisis?

beechstreet
04-07-2010, 11:22 AM
two years later and the closest thing to "JDM" is the Mugen Sedan. pfftt

ShadowEP3
04-07-2010, 11:24 AM
I have a 2012 Civic Type X with twin flux capacitors, a triple core processor and it even has a snorkel!

:meek:

beats my 2011 ITR Hybrid :mfrown:

DrZfInEsT
04-07-2010, 05:48 PM
I doubt we will ever see any Type R's in the states.

username011
05-16-2010, 02:45 PM
It will NEVER happen people, stop with these bogus rumors that waste everybody's time and giving them false hope. if you want a real type-r move out USA.

RedSiBaron
05-16-2010, 05:37 PM
It will NEVER happen people, stop with these bogus rumors that waste everybody's time and giving them false hope. if you want a real type-r move out USA.

this whole thread was started 2 years ago from a real article based on honda corporate whispers...that was before the car-pocalypse...at this point it'll never happen...i wish someone hadnt fucking bumped this thread...it needs to be closed or something

EP_Jon
05-17-2010, 12:12 PM
:meek:

beats my 2011 ITR Hybrid :mfrown:

:tehe:

showoff3civic
05-18-2010, 07:17 AM
LOL they are discontinuing the Japanese CTR anyways its going to the Euro Hatch

dtt02278
05-22-2010, 06:52 AM
what ever happen to bringing the four door civic type r to the US in 2010... ahahh..

Strife
05-22-2010, 07:42 AM
Close this thread. These cars arent coming to our shores. Fuck off already.

RedSiBaron
05-22-2010, 08:55 AM
i second that, this thread should not have been bumped from 2 years old...grr

dirtyduck17
05-22-2010, 09:02 AM
I hear they're gonna import an awesome new JDM typeface for the "civic" emblem on the next gen civic! Wha.......?!

showoff3civic
05-22-2010, 11:34 AM
not true buddy, it has already started everything takes time. Acura is importing the TSX wagon next year and from corporate they have been working on legalizing the stream

username011
05-22-2010, 01:25 PM
Well.. we did get the TSX which IS the JDM/Euro Honda Accord..so that is a fact though it may not be a Euro-R it is still the JDM and Euro Honda Accord outside of USA..

vicx52o
05-22-2010, 02:34 PM
I disagree.
The CL7/9 Euro-R had a K20A.... The USDM CL7/CL9 had a K24A2.... If anything I feel like Honda did a better job in choosing the motor for the USDM CL7/9.

username011
05-23-2010, 06:32 AM
I disagree.
The CL7/9 Euro-R had a K20A.... The USDM CL7/CL9 had a K24A2.... If anything I feel like Honda did a better job in choosing the motor for the USDM CL7/9.

its still way more JDM than our EPs are and better than the crappy "honda" accord we got... and I didnt say it was a Euro-R.

Its not really a big deal to me anymore whether Honda brings JDM cars Im not really a fan of Hondas anymore, after buying my 06 Subaru that is made in Japan and overall way better built.. I dont think I'll go back..Honda lost a customer with this selfishness that they got going with not giving us anything good while the othher Japanese companies give us the good stuff.

Deadphishy
05-23-2010, 07:57 AM
i want a Direct injection advanced I-vtec motor already! Then Turbo it.......
a 200hp 1.5L that gets 40+ Mpgs is not out of the question.
They are putting to much into Hybrids, when we can in the long run have great reductions in CO2 and energy used if we just drive smaller cars with a lot better gas motors!

dirtyduck17
05-23-2010, 08:22 AM
i want a Direct injection advanced I-vtec motor already! Then Turbo it.......
a 200hp 1.5L that gets 40+ Mpgs is not out of the question.
They are putting to much into Hybrids, when we can in the long run have great reductions in CO2 and energy used if we just drive smaller cars with a lot better gas motors!

Even Honda agrees with you the hybrid thing. The market wants them though. Make a hybrid, sell a car. Honda is betting on HFC (hydrogen fuel cell) as the best alternative fuel.

As to the DI? I can't figure out why Honda hasn't brought it to the market yet. Honda claims to be an engineering driven company but Porsche, Ferrari, VW, Ford and BMW all have DI and make the same claim.

RedSiBaron
05-23-2010, 08:35 AM
Even Honda agrees with you the hybrid thing. The market wants them though. Make a hybrid, sell a car. Honda is betting on HFC (hydrogen fuel cell) as the best alternative fuel.

As to the DI? I can't figure out why Honda hasn't brought it to the market yet. Honda claims to be an engineering driven company but Porsche, Ferrari, VW, Ford and BMW all have DI and make the same claim.

cost

Deadphishy
05-23-2010, 08:47 AM
As to the DI? I can't figure out why Honda hasn't brought it to the market yet. Honda claims to be an engineering driven company but Porsche, Ferrari, VW, Ford and BMW all have DI and make the same claim.

Because they can still be competitive without it.
TL-S 3.7-liter V6 that produces 305 hp (227 kW) and 275 ft·lbf (373 N·m) of torque
Mustang base 3.7L GDI produces a much more powerful 305 hp (227 kW) and 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) of torque

TSX The engine is a 2.4L in-line 4 cylinder engine reaching 201 hp (150 kW) and 172 lb·ft (233 N·m) torque
Buick Lacrosse The 2.4L Ecotec GDI four-cylinder 182 hp (136 kW) 172 lb·ft (233 N·m)

dirtyduck17
05-23-2010, 08:58 AM
cost

Maybe, Ford claims that if they had added DI to the new 5.0 it would've added $200 to the cost of every GT.

You can't tell me that Honda doesn't make enough K-series engines to cover the cost of development,worldwide?. Bosch already has the technology ready to license, Honda just need to pony up. Maybe Honda is waiting to roll out the next gen engine series to introduce DI.

RedSiBaron
05-23-2010, 09:19 AM
Maybe, Ford claims that if they had added DI to the new 5.0 it would've added $200 to the cost of every GT.

You can't tell me that Honda doesn't make enough K-series engines to cover the cost of development,worldwide?. Bosch already has the technology ready to license, Honda just need to pony up. Maybe Honda is waiting to roll out the next gen engine series to introduce DI.

first off, you are talking about a mustang gt, that car is higher up in the product lineup for ford. it is also a luxury buy item for people. people buy mustangs because they just gotta have one, they never NEED one for any reason. for both these reasons $200 is justifiable, but what you need to understand is thats $200 in cost of production. if you sell 1000 mustangs, thats an added cost of $200,000 for production alone...think about how that multiplies cost. the auto industry literally picks over PENNIES because that shit multiplies in large volume.

its not about how many they make to justify it, honda is just recently making a profit again and its more about unit/volume cost. and like stated above, honda doesnt need to do it yet. I am sure they will do it eventually but they dont need to spend the money right now and honda would NOT pay to license technology, they would develop it themselves that way they can continue to adapt and change the systems they develop. To continue that train of thought honda would also have to spend A LOT of money on R&D to develop the new technology.

dirtyduck17
05-23-2010, 09:20 AM
Because they can still be competitive without it.
TL-S 3.7-liter V6 that produces 305 hp (227 kW) and 275 ft·lbf (373 N·m) of torque
Mustang base 3.7L GDI produces a much more powerful 305 hp (227 kW) and 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) of torque

TSX The engine is a 2.4L in-line 4 cylinder engine reaching 201 hp (150 kW) and 172 lb·ft (233 N·m) torque
Buick Lacrosse The 2.4L Ecotec GDI four-cylinder 182 hp (136 kW) 172 lb·ft (233 N·m)

EPA numbers...
Acura TL: 18/26 on premium fuel
Ford Mustang: 19/29 on regular

Acura TSX: 21/30 again premium
Buick Lacrosse: 23/32 on the cheap stuff.

Lets also not forget the better emissions.

I'm not trying to bag on honda for not having DI. I feel that Honda could do more of what they have always done, more with less. DI provides the opportunity to increase power and economy while decreasing emissions. Sounds like that would be right up Honda's alley doesn't it?

dirtyduck17
05-23-2010, 09:24 AM
first off, you are talking about a mustang gt, that car is higher up in the product lineup for ford. it is also a luxury buy item for people. people buy mustangs because they just gotta have one, they never NEED one for any reason. for both these reasons $200 is justifiable, but what you need to understand is thats $200 in cost of production. if you sell 1000 mustangs, thats an added cost of $200,000 for production alone...think about how that multiplies cost. the auto industry literally picks over PENNIES because that shit multiplies in large volume.

its not about how many they make to justify it, honda is just recently making a profit again and its more about unit/volume cost. and like stated above, honda doesnt need to do it yet. I am sure they will do it eventually but they dont need to spend the money right now and honda would NOT pay to license technology, they would develop it themselves that way they can continue to adapt and change the systems they develop. To continue that train of thought honda would also have to spend A LOT of money on R&D to develop the new technology.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Just offering an opinion. Sorry for having one.

RedSiBaron
05-23-2010, 09:35 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you. Just offering an opinion. Sorry for having one.

you misunderstand i am not trying to attack, i didnt think i was being aggressive with that post...i thought we were having a good discussion. :mfrown:

dirtyduck17
05-23-2010, 09:48 AM
you misunderstand i am not trying to attack, i didnt think i was being aggressive with that post...i thought we were having a good discussion. :mfrown:

It did seem a little bully-ish. Maybe I'm just a wuss. Who knows. I was thinking and chances are that Honda is gonna do the same thing with the k-series that they did with the b-series. Use it until it gets to be too much trouble to pass emissions certifications and then replace it with the new hawtness.

I still believe DI is the way to go and honda needs to get with the program. The domestics went from sorely behind to about the same in 3 yrs. In reference to the vehicles and engines pointed out above. What's gonna happen in the next 3?

No offense seriously taken btw and this thread will never die apparently.

RedSiBaron
05-23-2010, 10:00 AM
It did seem a little bully-ish. Maybe I'm just a wuss. Who knows. I was thinking and chances are that Honda is gonna do the same thing with the k-series that they did with the b-series. Use it until it gets to be too much trouble to pass emissions certifications and then replace it with the new hawtness.

I still believe DI is the way to go and honda needs to get with the program. The domestics went from sorely behind to about the same in 3 yrs. In reference to the vehicles and engines pointed out above. What's gonna happen in the next 3?

No offense seriously taken btw and this thread will never die apparently.

well just have to turn the conversation into something more interesting since the point of me originally creating the thread was relevant and based on real world information but this thread quickly turned into a faiboi rumormill...

anyway, ya honda will have to introduce DI on the next generation of engines, but i think you are right and for now they will just run the k-series life out for 5-10 years before introducing the next engine

dirtyduck17
05-23-2010, 01:25 PM
Wasn't there some talk awhile back about (A-VTEC) Advanced-vtec? That would be the next big step for the k-series, continuously variable valve timing, lift and duration as opposed to the stepped verity we have now. I wonder what kind of numbers it could put down. I've done some looking and the most recent mention of A-VTEC was back in 2007.

TeamKO
05-23-2010, 08:29 PM
We need direct ignition on my SI.

dirtyduck17
05-23-2010, 09:14 PM
We need direct ignition on my SI.

DI = Direct Injection


anyway, ya honda will have to introduce DI on the next generation of engines, but i think you are right and for now they will just run the k-series life out for 5-10 years before introducing the next engine

Maybe not... I was bored, working the night shift, and found this. Honda didn't license DI from anyone. They did it their own way.

Honda i-vteci (http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2003-4031127a/)

RedSiBaron
05-24-2010, 01:17 AM
Wasn't there some talk awhile back about (A-VTEC) Advanced-vtec? That would be the next big step for the k-series, continuously variable valve timing, lift and duration as opposed to the stepped verity we have now. I wonder what kind of numbers it could put down. I've done some looking and the most recent mention of A-VTEC was back in 2007.

that may have been put off due to the car-pocalypse in 2008...i am sure it will happen soon...

see now what i want honda to develop next isnt DI or A-VTEC etc, but is camless engine technology. Fiat is releasing it this year. It is essentially a motor where the entire valve train is operated by solenoids. so no valve train draining 20% of the power the engine is developing, plus infinitely and ideally variable valve timing, duration, etc. So the engine can optimize the valves for any situation. its awesome tech.

dirtyduck17
05-24-2010, 09:11 AM
The Multiair system is pretty slick. I think chrysler lucked out when Fiat bought them out. I've read that the system is being integrated across all engine lines.

The coolest part is that diesel engines equipped with Multiair don't need an additive injected to the exhaust to meet emission standards. Thats pretty impressive.

showoff3civic
05-24-2010, 09:21 AM
EPA numbers...
Acura TL: 18/26 on premium fuel
Ford Mustang: 19/29 on regular

Acura TSX: 21/30 again premium
Buick Lacrosse: 23/32 on the cheap stuff.

Lets also not forget the better emissions.

I'm not trying to bag on honda for not having DI. I feel that Honda could do more of what they have always done, more with less. DI provides the opportunity to increase power and economy while decreasing emissions. Sounds like that would be right up Honda's alley doesn't it?


how can you compare a non luxury vehicle to a luxury vehicle thats kinda the most stupid comparison i have read yet....... try comparing hondas 2.4 accord motor and the accord V6 3.5 liter to them. Just to let you know there is no such thing in the new model acuras as a s-type its the SHAWD TL so unless the mustang is running AWD its another mute comparison.

dirtyduck17
05-24-2010, 09:29 AM
how can you compare a non luxury vehicle to a luxury vehicle thats kinda the most stupid comparison i have read yet....... try comparing hondas 2.4 accord motor and the accord V6 3.5 liter to them. Just to let you know there is no such thing in the new model acuras as a s-type its the SHAWD TL so unless the mustang is running AWD its another mute comparison.

Its not a comparison of each cars equipment. Its strictly a comparison of HP, displacement, and fuel economy. You do have a point with the 2.4 in the accord being a better example but the V6 in the accord doesn't meet the output requirements of 300+ hp. I didn't choose the engines for the comparison, I just looked up the EPA numbers for the examples given.

showoff3civic
05-24-2010, 10:09 AM
i understand how your comparing but a high performance 2.4 compared to a tuned down is not really a fair comparison. Also you have to compare fwd/awd/rwd and the weight of the vehicle.

dirtyduck17
05-24-2010, 10:16 AM
i understand how your comparing but a high performance 2.4 compared to a tuned down is not really a fair comparison. Also you have to compare fwd/awd/rwd and the weight of the vehicle.

I agree, but the standard TL only makes 280. 20 short of the requirement. I thought the SH-AWD was optional on the TL-S? I might be wrong though.

showoff3civic
05-24-2010, 12:33 PM
i work for Acura, its:
280 hp 3.5 liter in the front wheel drive
305 hp 3.7 liter in the AWD

no type-s variant of the TL it ended in 2008

dirtyduck17
05-24-2010, 01:13 PM
i work for Acura, its:
280 hp 3.5 liter in the front wheel drive
305 hp 3.7 liter in the AWD

no type-s variant of the TL it ended in 2008

That's the same info I found by googleing it. I would think a RWD/solid axle would have as much drag as a AWD set up. The AWD is an on-demand set up isn't it?

showoff3civic
05-25-2010, 07:00 AM
That's the same info I found by googleing it. I would think a RWD/solid axle would have as much drag as a AWD set up. The AWD is an on-demand set up isn't it?


SH-AWD is the most advanced AWD system and NO it is not on demand its always working and adapting unlike almost every other system to date. Most AWD systems wait for a wheel to slip to transfer power but the acura even on dry pavement will transfer power for optimum handling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuUaqFnsb2M

dirtyduck17
05-25-2010, 11:23 AM
SH-AWD is the most advanced AWD system and NO it is not on demand its always working and adapting unlike almost every other system to date. Most AWD systems wait for a wheel to slip to transfer power but the acura even on dry pavement will transfer power for optimum handling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuUaqFnsb2M

Gotcha. I wasn't sure if it was a similar system to RealTime 4WD like the CRV. Thanks for the info.

showoff3civic
05-26-2010, 12:13 PM
no system is advanced before its time, Audi and BMW are no trying to replicate the Acura system :-)

dirtyduck17
05-26-2010, 03:19 PM
no system is advanced before its time, Audi and BMW are no trying to replicate the Acura system :-)

I've read that. Magazines like C&D and Motor Trend rave about how well it makes the TL handle. Torque vectoring at its best.

PubliusEP3
05-26-2010, 08:01 PM
Cmon close this thread already mods!

Passenger
05-26-2010, 09:46 PM
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5177/1280381-nick_nolte_mugshot_super.jpg
This is how I feel about this thread.

Deadphishy
06-12-2010, 01:41 PM
Cmon close this thread already mods!

Why it's just people shooting the shit. whats wrong with that?

Deadphishy
06-12-2010, 01:46 PM
Its not a comparison of each cars equipment. Its strictly a comparison of HP, displacement, and fuel economy. You do have a point with the 2.4 in the accord being a better example but the V6 in the accord doesn't meet the output requirements of 300+ hp. I didn't choose the engines for the comparison, I just looked up the EPA numbers for the examples given.

I think we should talk about the 2010 mustang 3.7 V6...........and it's 210hp. Or the GM 3800 making 210hp....... My brothers "performance" SS Malibu has a 3.9L that makes 240hp.

I know honda doesn't have anything major for 2011, mostly because they didn't hit rock bottom, and have to bounch up. They are still in "conserve mode" and are just starting to bring back some of the projects that were sidelined.

Once the public realizes that honda is behind, they will fix it. But untill then they are riding the wave of the 2000's and 90's.

trippy
06-12-2010, 01:53 PM
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5177/1280381-nick_nolte_mugshot_super.jpg
This is how I feel about this thread.

looks like a meth head =D

sleepy ep3
06-12-2010, 09:38 PM
I hate to be rude, but I don't see any way in hell that Honda will bring over any of the Type R models. They are all to happy of their ULE (ultra low emissions) and LEV (low emission vehicle) status here in the US. I'm sure some of you have read about it in different car magazines. "Honda refused to add *some hot rod motor or car part* due to their coveted LEV status" They are stupid in my opinion. They don't have ANY performance model in the US except for the Civic Si. Thats really sad for them, when a lot of other manufacturers are catching up in terms of horsepower and mpg. Do I think a type R would succeed here? I don't know. Considering the last years of the RSX-S didn't fair too well, and it was a great performer, I don't know. You see what happened to that car, discontinued. Its not about what we like, its about what the public perception and average John Q. Public buys. The Fit is a success because its usable and neat looking. Plus people know of Honda's reliability factor, so it sells well and looks modern, and its cheap. It would be hard to make the average person see the value of a $30,000 civic, or any car that has a four cylinder engine. They tried that with the Mugen Si, which was kind of a gimmick I might add. $30K is V6 territory. I would love to have a real type r over here, I just don't think Honda is ready to take that risk, especially in todays unsteady economy. Sorry if I am rambling, its just I get aggravated when Honda starts looking bad, and being dumb. Best car company, or at least it used to be, IMO. If they are not going to give us the whole car, they should at least give us the body parts to buy to make our cars look as good as the JDM models. Its silly how you can buy a HFP but not a JDM body kit here. They are all made by the same company, why can't I go to my local Honda dealer and order a Type R body kit? Or if anything else, have them order one if it doesn't make sense to stock one.

shanewdude
06-13-2010, 06:05 AM
this whole thread was started 2 years ago from a real article based on honda corporate whispers...that was before the car-pocalypse...at this point it'll never happen...i wish someone hadnt fucking bumped this thread...it needs to be closed or something


Close this thread. These cars arent coming to our shores. F*** off already.


i second that, this thread should not have been bumped from 2 years old...grr


... No offense seriously taken btw and this thread will never die apparently.


well just have to turn the conversation into something more interesting since the point of me originally creating the thread was relevant and based on real world information but this thread quickly turned into a faiboi rumormill...


Cmon close this thread already mods!

Closed by request! :thumbu: In the future, if there is a thread that has run its course and needs closing, feel free to post it in the "report problems here thread" or pm an admin or moderator.