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thisisagame24
08-08-2008, 07:42 PM
ok first off.....FUCK SAFTEY WIRE

ive have been here for about 3 hrs now trying to do the damn saftey wire to hold the bolts that connect the rotor to the hat. does any one have any adivce on how to do this step????

the wire either snaps or is no where near tight enough to prevent the bolt from backing out

please help!!!!

thisisagame24
08-09-2008, 10:04 AM
any one?

weltall
08-09-2008, 10:25 AM
do you have a pair of swipes (saftey wire pliers?)

im a no shit pro at saftey wiring but its really a trade you have to show

i can do you SW for you at the bbq if youll be there and i can show you at the same time



(if its breaking your putting too many twists in it 12 per inch is suffecent enough)

call me 910 581 2947 and i can walk you through it sorta

player757
08-09-2008, 10:46 AM
i have the same break setup just not installed yet where did you get your safety wire

weltall
08-09-2008, 10:57 AM
you can get wire and swipes from harbor freight

thisisagame24
08-09-2008, 11:04 AM
yea i have the saftey wire pliers....def makes it easier

its still a major pain in the ass.

will you be free around 9pm tonight jason? im at work and get off at 8 so i really wont be abe to get t work on i untill then.

i was hoping to get them installed before the BBQ but if worst comes to worse i wil bring it down so you can help me with it. but hopefully the kit will be on by monday night

weltall
08-09-2008, 11:07 AM
yeah not a problem

im off work till the 25th so all i do is play halo saving money for a retune and the impending trip to MD

thisisagame24
08-09-2008, 11:08 AM
sweetness...i ill def give you a call later tonight....i have a basic idea of it....but just cant get it perfect and its rather annoying

thisisagame24
08-09-2008, 07:25 PM
holy hell.....is all im going to say about that shit

i got it done....def not pretty but its tight and all in the right direction

thanks for your help jason...but just a heads up if i ever have to do this again im going to ship it to you hahaha this was insane

weltall
08-09-2008, 08:04 PM
no problem

it is a pain in the ass the first time you have to do it

esp with really thick wire


ill still bring my stuff to the bbq

thisisagame24
08-09-2008, 08:19 PM
sounds like a plan...ill see if i can get some bolts with the holes in it...so you can really show me how to do it properly. so when i have to replace the rotors i do it the right way haha

but i did find it easier to do the pig tail ends with regular vise grips. i was able to get a better hold on the wire with them and they were a lot smaller then my swipes

jeenyusss
08-09-2008, 11:22 PM
wtf is safety wire

talonXracer
08-10-2008, 07:31 AM
Safety wire or lockwire is common in the aircraft and racing industries as an extra precaution to keep vital fasteners from unintentionally loosening and parts falling off due to vibration or other forces. This function is often referred to as positive locking. It also allows rapid and easy visual inspection of fasteners to ensure that they have been tightened. Safety Wiring of fasteners is often a requirement to pass technical safety inspections in racing. Safety Wire itself is available in multiple gauges and different materials, depending on the application. In consumer aircraft and racing applications, stainless steel wire is used, most commonly in .032" diameter, although other gauges are used for specific circumstances. Typically, safety wire is threaded through a hole drilled into a fastener or part, then twisted and anchored to a second fastener or part, then twisted again, usually with the aid of safety wire pliers.

RHCP0801
08-10-2008, 08:54 AM
^^^interesting

post some pics!!!

weltall
08-10-2008, 09:35 AM
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k300/billioo/lockwire.jpg
http://www.store-planetools.com/ProductImages/kleintools/SAFETY%20WIRE%20PLIERS.jpg

thisisagame24
08-10-2008, 12:26 PM
i think you told me this jason but i forgot.....the saftey wire i got from napa was 19 guage....i think you said that was way to thick.....do you know what gauge or apporox what guage .032 in is?

mario543k20
08-10-2008, 02:58 PM
thats why i love ephatch. everyones always down to help out another hatcher! good stuff in here!!

weltall
08-10-2008, 03:12 PM
25 gauge

about as thin as a normal clothes pin

adrian1281
08-11-2008, 09:40 AM
Typically the most common safety wire sizes are .020 and .032

I would recommend you use .032 as .020 is used for smaller fasteners.

According to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge

.032 is about a 20 gauge. If you have 19 gauge already, I suppose you could use that. If I remember correctly from my military days, .032 is supposed to be twisted 6-8 times per inch. If you are using something thicker, then the twists per inch should go down. So aim for something around 5-7 per inch.

Wikipedia has a pretty good article too on safety wire in case you haven't read it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_wire

By the way, don't rely on the "swipes" to do all the work for you. A good "safety wirer" can do a perfect job without using "swipes". If the fasteners are close together, its probably easier to do the job by hand.

Post some pics when you're done so we can see how you did.

player757
08-11-2008, 01:06 PM
lets say i dont have a harbor freight around here any where else i can go?

adrian1281
08-11-2008, 01:24 PM
lets say i dont have a harbor freight around here any where else i can go?

If you are referring to safety wire pliers, Northern Tool has them:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_13244_13244

Sears as well (although much more expensive):
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00999358000P

Or you could always buy them online and have them shipped to you...

player757
08-12-2008, 01:27 PM
im almost positive the answer is going to be no, but im gonna ask any way. Would it be saft to run with out safety wire and use red thread lock. its rated to 2700 degrees

adrian1281
08-12-2008, 02:40 PM
im almost positive the answer is going to be no, but im gonna ask any way. Would it be saft to run with out safety wire and use red thread lock. its rated to 2700 degrees

I don't remember exactly which color Locktite it is (but I'm pretty sure it's the red) which is for fasteners that you pretty much will never take apart again. It is super strong. As a matter of fact on Locktite's page they list the red as, "Removable with heat and hand tools."

Since you will eventually need to replace the rotor due to wear, I would advise you not use the red.

I might be wrong here but since the rotor is turning at such high speed you run the risk of the bolts backing out if you don't safetywire them. Kind of why the crank pulley bolt on certain engines is left hand thread, so that the rotation of the motor doesn't cause it to loosen.

If you haven't safety wired before it's not a big deal, if you need help, just ask.

player757
08-12-2008, 04:00 PM
no i just didnt have any wire and its a pain in the ass let me tell you, i just did it but i ran out of wire but i also used loctite red just as a percaution im sure i'll be able to get em out if i have to. i got impact guns

weltall
08-12-2008, 04:04 PM
it isnt hard to safety wire
i have to do it all the time on helicopters
every bolt, screw, cannonplug allen bolt requires safety wire hell ive had to do it inspots where the only thing you can do is feel around cause you cannot see it

adrian1281
08-12-2008, 04:47 PM
it isnt hard to safety wire
i have to do it all the time on helicopters
every bolt, screw, cannonplug allen bolt requires safety wire hell ive had to do it inspots where the only thing you can do is feel around cause you cannot see it

What helicopters do you work on and what is your job?

weltall
08-12-2008, 04:50 PM
ch46e avionics

adrian1281
08-12-2008, 07:15 PM
ch46e avionics

Nice, I was an Avionics Tech. as well in the Marines... Worked on 5 different helos: UH-1N, AH-1Z, CH-53E, VH-60N, and VH-3D.

Although I never worked on "Frogs", we had them at the squadron I was stationed at and I worked closely with CH-46 techs.

Nothing harder to safety wire than torque transmitters on a "46" that's for sure...

weltall
08-12-2008, 07:20 PM
no there is something harder

pitch ELA (the two nuts to null it)
elbows deep in the flight control closet face pressed up against the armor

only the top sensor is a PITA for tq

what squadron are you at (i was at 365) now im at the schoolhouse

adrian1281
08-12-2008, 07:26 PM
I was stationed at HMX-1, but I got out in 2005...

weltall
08-12-2008, 07:30 PM
you must have known whitt and babinec

adrian1281
08-12-2008, 07:33 PM
you must have known whitt and babinec

Both names sound very familiar.

Whitt went to QA so I never got much of a chance to work with him.

Babinec doesn't ring a bell in the Avionics side but I don't remember what shop he was from, maybe Airframes...

Twisted-X
01-08-2011, 02:54 PM
Guess I'm bringing this out of a 4 month retirement. :mangel:

Wilwood does have a fairly in-depth how-to on safety wire installation:

LINK (http://www.wilwood.com/pdf/ds386.pdf)

I'm sure you've already got this done, but figured this might help others like myself who will be doing this in the future. :mwink:

Lucid Moments
01-08-2011, 03:00 PM
Guess I'm bringing this out of a 4 month retirement. :mangel:

Wilwood does have a fairly in-depth how-to on safety wire installation:

LINK (http://www.wilwood.com/pdf/ds386.pdf)

I'm sure you've already got this done, but figured this might help others like myself who will be doing this in the future. :mwink:

How about a 2 1/3 year retirement?

Twisted-X
01-08-2011, 03:12 PM
Okay, 30 months give or take a few server crashes. :mbiggrin: