is this thing faster than a 240 sx [Archive]

civicsiNA

11-25-2002, 07:38 PM

my friend has a 96 240sx with the truck engine in it still(soon to be swapped he says)with only an intake and there is a guy named henry with a civic si that lives in the neighborhood next to ours and they go race down the road. the civic has an intake and an exhaust. i would say that i have been in the car maybe 20 times when they have raced and the 240 has won every time. i mean , im not doggin the si but but it just seems to slow.

by the way , my name is jacob and i have a black 99 Chevy Camaro SS with a supercharger and exhaust. i noticed you live in virginia. what part? what kind of mods do you have on your car? how much hp? i have about 485hp right now. any way talk to ya later

myeverlovinsir

11-25-2002, 07:46 PM

Hey CivicSiNA, Welcome to the site. I imagine with that much
hp you may be able to compete with the sprinters. :)

Beachya

11-25-2002, 08:07 PM

Sorry to change subject ladys and gents, K20Asi and CivicSINA...I PM'd you both. Write me back if yu're trying to meet up.

latas,

d.

02SilverSiHB

11-25-2002, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by k20ASi
my friend says his 240 will take my si car to school but i beg to differ. has any body raced a 240 sx 95-98 with no or littal mods
the reason im asking is i only have a permite and dad doesint like hard lanches of the line
it will be a drivers race, they aren't that fast....like ours :p

Type X

11-25-2002, 10:57 PM

u can ask the kids in the 2 1990 and 1991 240sx's i raced
and beat

which is faster
also on my kill list

2003 v6 accord auto
2001 v6 maxima stick
2002 v6 eclipse
1999 v6 accord sedan
1999 maxima stick
1994 maxima auto
2000 gs300
2001 ford explorer
2002 mustang v6
2001 civic ex stick
etc etc etc. . . . ..:angel:

sonic imperial

11-26-2002, 03:26 PM

Dang, you've been tearin some heads off with that list of kills. That is awesome to know our car can beat all of those as long as you know what you are doing behind the wheel.

IceD out N CALI

11-26-2002, 03:42 PM

you got a list goin

Type X

11-26-2002, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by sonic imperial
Dang, you've been tearin some heads off with that list of kills. That is awesome to know our car can beat all of those as long as you know what you are doing behind the wheel.

well this is my first stick car :D

i learned stick on a friends supra TT :angel:

i took my EP to the track with 400 miles on it.. . .

i ran a 16.1 not back for stick for 5 days

hahahh

fishboy

11-26-2002, 04:15 PM

oh yeah.

i killed:

86 sentra
97 land rover discovery
92 corolla (lowered)
suzuki swift
vw bug

hacim

11-26-2002, 05:56 PM

My kill list:

99 Toyots Solera V6 5 speed
98 Firebird V6
85 300ZX stick (moded)
02 Vibe GT
95 Civic hatch DX (lol)
02 Civic EX (moded)
02 Civic LX (moded)
98 Eclipse GS stick
02 V40 automatic (goes back and forth)
97 Integra LS (moded)
99 Cougar V6 stick

Thats all I can think of at the moment, I will add the others when I remember them.

Odyssey Mini ME

11-27-2002, 03:18 PM

oh my god. take ur mouth out of your rear ends.
2003 v6 accord auto - 200+ hp BS KILL
2001 v6 maxima stick - BS KILL
2002 v6 eclipse - possible cuz its slow
1999 v6 accord sedan - bull shit 195 hp!
1999 maxima stick -bull shit
1994 maxima auto - probably
2000 gs300 -probably true cuz its heavy and slow
2001 ford explorer - possibly
2002 mustang v6 - yea.. sure thing pal
2001 civic ex stick -no shit sherlock u have a SI its EX u're racing
99 Toyots Solera V6 5 speed -my ass
98 Firebird V6 -YEA RIGHT
85 300ZX stick (moded) - shutup and stop lying
02 Vibe GT -he was toying with u
95 Civic hatch DX (lol) - why even try? its the shittiest trim
02 Civic EX (moded) - EX = family SI = sport. U BETTER BEAT IT
02 Civic LX (moded) - its a family car not a sport car!
98 Eclipse GS stick - iits slow and heavy so of course u have a chance
97 Integra LS (moded) 2dr or 4dr?
99 Cougar V6 stick i dunno about this one.

http://home.earthlink.net/~hahajoey/si/dyno.jpg

damn those dyno's never accurate... i mean.. CONSIDERING SI's with 138 HP to the wheels(see chart above) is beating v6's left and right. dang... everything out there better watch out. i mean i did place 8th place on the top 8 car's under 20g's. oh wait... that means its LAST PLACE! Si's wiht a good driver does about 16.2!
damn si owners again. first with the 99 si's thinking their god's gift to mankind. now with these new ones, SLOWER, HEAVIER, and UGLIER, they all think they're the bomb. when in reality, its all BS...
http://home.earthlink.net/~hahajoey/si/quarter.jpg

notice, LAST PLACE

Type X

11-27-2002, 03:23 PM

cool . . .

a troll these are always fun to deal with. . .

ok smartass
cross-reference the "top" 8 car test with the ENTIRE kill list u posted. .. .

any of those car's match up?

thanks for joining out site to troll
it show's how bored and gay u really are :angel:

2k2SiAutoXer

11-27-2002, 03:25 PM

alright odyssey, have you EVER heard of power to weight ratio??? have you ever driven a car???

blacksvt

11-27-2002, 03:39 PM

WHOO HOOOO! I'm in the middle of the charts! LOL.

02SilverSiHB

11-27-2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Odyssey Mini ME
oh my god. take ur mouth out of your rear ends.
1999 v6 accord sedan - bull shit 195 hp!
2002 mustang v6 - yea.. sure thing pal
99 Toyots Solera V6 5 speed -my ass
98 Firebird V6 -YEA RIGHT

are you fucking stupid?
A v6 accord is not fast...hello!
99+ mustang v6 are heavy as shit...my friend has one and hit a 15.6....with upgraded tranny, dual exhaust, t-lock, chip, 310 gears, and some other shit I can't remember...so how the hell can't he beat a v6 stang....it's v6 not a v8
soleras aren't all that either
firebird v6....it's a damn v6 jackass, not a v8

blacksvt

11-27-2002, 04:12 PM

I agree, V6 mustangs are heavy turds, and V6 accords are heavy as well. V6's have nice torque figures, but weight hold em down. The new SI is light.

ballsdeep

11-27-2002, 04:16 PM

I considerd all these cars before buyiny my SI. The only one I would rather have is the GTI but its not under $20,000 so thats b.s. the mazda speed is not under $20,000 either and its turbocharged, exhaust, etc. and still hardly beats the si so they will be a easy kill once somenone puts out a supercharger for the si. Plus it only comes in 2 colors. The Svt once again more money then the si also not much quicker even with turbo plus its a ford also the alacantra does nothing for me.. The nissan is all right I like the outside dont care for the interior and its a little more money once again. Mini coopers are cool if your a girl which you may be. Hyundai.. get out of here with that crap I dont care how fast it is. Dodge I dont know much about so i cant say. I dont know where you got your little chart from but I think we need a price check. I paid 16,500 for my si thats about $5,000 less then the GTI and Mazda Speed. You know how many type R stickers I could buy with $5000 I'll be the fastest car on the list in no time. No but seriously loan me 5 grand and I'll show you whos fastest.

blacksvt

11-27-2002, 04:23 PM

Sorry sir, but the SVT Focus is cheaper than the new 02 SI. I know because I test drove the new GTI, the new SI, the SE-R Spec V, and the SVT had the best balance for the best price. The GTI is definetly a sweet ride, but it was way to expensive. The SI was okay, but the SVT was cheaper and felt more balanced and had a little bit more punch. My best friend ended up with a new silver SI, because he hates Fords, yet I beat his ass everytime we race. :p

cbecker333

11-27-2002, 04:27 PM

02SiHB

11-27-2002, 04:27 PM

No offense but.... Too bad Ford's are pieces of garbage.. Have fun getting it serviced when you rag on it too much....

blacksvt

11-27-2002, 04:40 PM

Too be honest...the car is a COMPLETELY new design. The car is too new to tell if it will be kicking ass at 100,000 or not, I know one thing, my 92 Mustang GT has 143,000 miles running 10lbs of boost, and its running strong, no problems whatsoever. Thats why Ford had been good for me, my moms co-worker owns a 2000 Focus ZX3, it has 85,000 miles, 0 problems, still runs strong. Too be biased against a car manufacturer is ignorant. I also own a 1990 CRX SI, that car has also been tip-top for me. So...for the price you cannot deny the SVT Focus rocks, the new SI kicks ass too, but the rim/tire combo MUST go. The new SI vs SVT Focus is totally a drivers race, but the balance of the car is better in the focus, and thats not being biased, thats just my opinion and the opinion of every major auto reviewer as well. :D

And for all you VW GTI guys that say "Yeah but can your Focus run 350hp on stock internals?" Heres your answer. YES! Tom has 436WHP on stock internals on the Ford 130hp ZETEC engine. Stock camshaft, stock crank, and custom burned ECU chip.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/p588162aa66a313f9bc0689931f72254d/fd09a3ae.jpg

ballsdeep

11-27-2002, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by blacksvt
Sorry sir, but the SVT Focus is cheaper than the new 02 SI. I know because I test drove the new GTI, the new SI, the SE-R Spec V, and the SVT had the best balance for the best price. The GTI is definetly a sweet ride, but it was way to expensive. The SI was okay, but the SVT was cheaper and felt more balanced and had a little bit more punch. My best friend ended up with a new silver SI, because he hates Fords, yet I beat his ass everytime we race. :p

Listen I dont have a problem with you or your car but I dont belive you paid less for it. I paid $16,500 for my car and there selling for even less now your telling me you paid less then $16,500.

blacksvt

11-27-2002, 04:56 PM

I paid about $20,000.00 for my car. Now you can pick it up for under $16,000 easy. Ford is offering $2,500 rebate on the SVT and the base price for the SVT is $17,000 and many people are picking them up for about $15,500 now and even lower, I wish I waited, but at the time, Honda had mark-ups on the new SI, it was like $23,000 for it. Do a search, you'll see. I really dig the new SI, it shares alot in common with my SVT, its just at the time Honda was asking way too much for it. :(

ballsdeep

11-27-2002, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by blacksvt
I paid about $20,000.00 for my car. Now you can pick it up for under $16,000 easy. Ford is offering $2,500 rebate on the SVT and the base price for the SVT is $17,000 and many people are picking them up for about $15,500 now and even lower, I wish I waited, but at the time, Honda had mark-ups on the new SI, it was like $23,000 for it. Do a search, you'll see. I really dig the new SI, it shares alot in common with my SVT, its just at the time Honda was asking way too much for it. :(

I'll belive that I didnt realize that the SVT had come down in price like the si has but I guess it makes sense if they want to be competitive.

myeverlovinsir

11-27-2002, 05:01 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blacksvt
Tom has 436WHP on stock internals on the Ford 130hp ZETEC engine. Stock camshaft, stock crank, and custom burned ECU chip.

I would hope soon we could have the freedom to make our chips
custom.
:)

Acidburn

11-27-2002, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by blacksvt
I paid about $20,000.00 for my car. Now you can pick it up for under $16,000 easy. Ford is offering $2,500 rebate on the SVT and the base price for the SVT is $17,000 and many people are picking them up for about $15,500 now and even lower, I wish I waited, but at the time, Honda had mark-ups on the new SI, it was like $23,000 for it. Do a search, you'll see. I really dig the new SI, it shares alot in common with my SVT, its just at the time Honda was asking way too much for it. :(

I'm sorry but I don't believe that!! I went with my cousin, who wants an SVT to several southern california ford dealerships! Either the SVTs are sold out OR they are MARKED UP!! Even with the rebates, they are still over MSRP. So it's like a good sale, but it's not...kinda.

blacksvt

11-27-2002, 05:02 PM

Yeah, my chick just bought a new 2002 civic EX, and the salesman was saying that Ford and Honda really dropped prices on the SVT and new SI, cuz none of them sold nearly the amount they were expecting to...I wish I would have waited, I would have gotten a killer deal! DOH!!!!!!

blacksvt

11-27-2002, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Acidburn

I'm sorry but I don't believe that!! I went with my cousin, who wants an SVT to several southern california ford dealerships! Either the SVTs are sold out OR they are MARKED UP!! Even with the rebates, they are still over MSRP. So it's like a good sale, but it's not...kinda.

Talk to Dana Eastman at Ken Grody Ford in Buena Park, you'll get a $2500 discount from ford, plus no markups. No BS, prices have gone down on all the 02's. If he finds an SVT with a markup, they are on crack.

IceD out N CALI

11-27-2002, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Odyssey Mini ME
oh my god. take ur mouth out of your rear ends.
2003 v6 accord auto - 200+ hp BS KILL
2001 v6 maxima stick - BS KILL
2002 v6 eclipse - possible cuz its slow
1999 v6 accord sedan - bull shit 195 hp!
1999 maxima stick -bull shit
1994 maxima auto - probably
2000 gs300 -probably true cuz its heavy and slow
2001 ford explorer - possibly
2002 mustang v6 - yea.. sure thing pal
2001 civic ex stick -no shit sherlock u have a SI its EX u're racing
99 Toyots Solera V6 5 speed -my ass
98 Firebird V6 -YEA RIGHT
85 300ZX stick (moded) - shutup and stop lying
02 Vibe GT -he was toying with u
95 Civic hatch DX (lol) - why even try? its the shittiest trim
02 Civic EX (moded) - EX = family SI = sport. U BETTER BEAT IT
02 Civic LX (moded) - its a family car not a sport car!
98 Eclipse GS stick - iits slow and heavy so of course u have a chance
97 Integra LS (moded) 2dr or 4dr?
99 Cougar V6 stick i dunno about this one.

http://home.earthlink.net/~hahajoey/si/dyno.jpg

damn those dyno's never accurate... i mean.. CONSIDERING SI's with 138 HP to the wheels(see chart above) is beating v6's left and right. dang... everything out there better watch out. i mean i did place 8th place on the top 8 car's under 20g's. oh wait... that means its LAST PLACE! Si's wiht a good driver does about 16.2!
damn si owners again. first with the 99 si's thinking their god's gift to mankind. now with these new ones, SLOWER, HEAVIER, and UGLIER, they all think they're the bomb. when in reality, its all BS...
http://home.earthlink.net/~hahajoey/si/quarter.jpg

notice, LAST PLACE

what do you drive?

cbecker333

11-27-2002, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by blacksvt
Too be honest...the car is a COMPLETELY new design. The car is too new to tell if it will be kicking ass at 100,000 or not, I know one thing, my 92 Mustang GT has 143,000 miles running 10lbs of boost, and its running strong, no problems whatsoever. Thats why Ford had been good for me, my moms co-worker owns a 2000 Focus ZX3, it has 85,000 miles, 0 problems, still runs strong. Too be biased against a car manufacturer is ignorant. I also own a 1990 CRX SI, that car has also been tip-top for me. So...for the price you cannot deny the SVT Focus rocks, the new SI kicks ass too, but the rim/tire combo MUST go. The new SI vs SVT Focus is totally a drivers race, but the balance of the car is better in the focus, and thats not being biased, thats just my opinion and the opinion of every major auto reviewer as well. :D

And for all you VW GTI that say "Yeah but can your Focus run 350hp on stock internals?" Heres your answer. YES! Tom has 436WHP on stock internals on the Ford 130hp ZETEC engine.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/p588162aa66a313f9bc0689931f72254d/fd09a3ae.jpg

First of all, I want to go on record as saying that this is a silly fight for you to start on an Si forum. You're not going to convince anybody of anything, here. Most likely, we'll just end up with a bunch of poo getting slung around....and eventually a lock on this thread from "the master of the lock" himself.

(Now, lets get right down to the poo slinging.)

Second, the only experience I have personally had with a ford is my parents' 99 ford explorer. It was a nice ride, well appointed and fun to be in. But it was a $32,000 car, and after only 7,000 miles and many failed attempts to fix engine timing issues (by the dealership), ford had to completely replace the engine. When someone spends OVER 30,000 dollars on a car, they expect a bit more than that. Is that an indicator that every new ford will have problems? I don't think so, no. But some of us work very hard to get the truth about reliability in this market. To us it is obvious that certain companies (Honda, et. al.) are consistently delivering on their promise of reliability, while others struggle to catch up in this department.

ballsdeep

11-27-2002, 05:14 PM

Are cars are alike in the sense that both the i-vtec and the zetec are in the infancy stage of aftermarket products and most owners have yet to realize the full potential of their motors. I read that in Dec. HCI

Acidburn

11-27-2002, 05:19 PM

Ford/GMC has a very bad history concerning quality. I'm to lazy to do it, but do some research on the net and you'll find that there's tons of documents listing the countless complaints on Ford/GMC products. This eventually led to drop in sales and business, hence the phrase, "I'll never buy an American Car" which was popular in the 90s. (<--actually, this is from my experience and from the experiences from friends and family)

From what I've read a couple years ago, the government has put pressure on GMC/Ford to produce quality cars to compete with quality imports. Eventually, GMC/Ford will get it and pump out quality products. BUT!, their products are still in doubt and questionable. IMO.

ballsdeep

11-27-2002, 05:42 PM

My friend bought a 94 thunderbird W/ 30,000 miles he had to replace the motor at 100,000 miles. My first car was a honda accord 1988 it had over 240,000 miles on the original motor when it was totaled in an accident. I also had a 94 Prelude si with 100,000 miles on it when I sold it and it ran like a champ. Currently I'm driving a 02 civic si with 2,500 miles my friend has a ford sportrac with about 50,000 will see which runs longer but i think i already know.

02SiHB

11-27-2002, 06:40 PM

It's NOT ignorant to be biased against an entire car compnay.. We've owned a 94 mustang, which I wont even start on the problems... V6 96 thunderbird wich has has 3 grand in repairs, a V8 4.6L 97 thunderbird with about a grand of repairs, a '99 f-150 that has totally fallen apart from DAILY DRIVING.. We have wasted enough money on garbage fords.. That's why I am biased.. I have owned Domestics, German, japanese, and british cars... And FORD (with the hyundai following a close second) had givin us the worst problems, and Honda/Acura giving us the least... Oh yeah.. how many foci have they recalled since they have been on the market?

cbecker333

11-27-2002, 06:55 PM

(Now, lets get right down to the poo slinging.)

Didn't I say it? DIDN'T I SAY IT?

OH, Look at how that poo do fly!

And it all lands on that little blue oval:p

02SilverSiHB

11-27-2002, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by blacksvt
Sorry sir, but the SVT Focus is cheaper than the new 02 SI. I know because I test drove the new GTI, the new SI, the SE-R Spec V, and the SVT had the best balance for the best price. The GTI is definetly a sweet ride, but it was way to expensive. The SI was okay, but the SVT was cheaper and felt more balanced and had a little bit more punch. My best friend ended up with a new silver SI, because he hates Fords, yet I beat his ass everytime we race. :p
yeah, I was about to say, the svt is cheaper.

And for those knocking on your ride saying lets see how it does 100,000 miles from nah...that's just stupid to say.

I have a friend who had a 94 mustang gt with over 100,000 miles and a few na mods. He hit low 14's all day. Never had a problem.....till he lost control and threw it into another car.

So basically, any car can last as long as the owner takes care of it

iR-VTEC2

11-27-2002, 07:25 PM

lotta mag racers in here. Yessir.

240sx? Slow. They can jump off the line rather nice but thats about it untill they hit their 17 second quater miles. That's all ive seen from them.

My old accord beat a 98 SE

Acidburn

11-28-2002, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

So basically, any car can last as long as the owner takes care of it

Sorry man, but I have to disagree with you on this comment. If the engineers of any automobile built a flawed engine, it doesn't matter if you religiously follow a book, follow strict maintenance schedules, or clean your car every week - your car will have problems that you have to pay out of your pocket to repair. Yes, there are many Ford cars that last a very long time - but there is an undeniable fact that there are just as many Fords that have had major engine problems.

Good engineering determines the reliability and life of an engine. Good ownership and maintenance ensures that the engineering of the car is prolonged and upheld. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your engine, if the engineering was crap to begin with - it'll have problems 1,000 miles later or 100,000 miles later. IMO though, no offense.

blacksvt

11-28-2002, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by 02SilverSiHB

yeah, I was about to say, the svt is cheaper.

And for those knocking on your ride saying lets see how it does 100,000 miles from nah...that's just stupid to say.

I have a friend who had a 94 mustang gt with over 100,000 miles and a few na mods. He hit low 14's all day. Never had a problem.....till he lost control and threw it into another car.

So basically, any car can last as long as the owner takes care of it

Thank you! I've owned 2 Fords an 89 escort and a 92 mustang GT, the mustang has 143,000 miles and run STRONG, I've got a Paxton SN2000 blower running 8-10lbs of boost and its daily driven running high 12's in the 1/4, I've never had 1 single problem, actually the motor outlasted the damn Paxton. My SVT runs perfect no problems (knocks on wood), so I don't know what everyone complains that Ford is so bad, if it were true, how come they have the best selling cars and trucks? Huh? Anyways...I'm not trying to fling poo at anyone here, I just think its gay that people are like Honda or nuthing! or the Honda can never lose! Come on people...now back to the original topic: Yes, the 240SX is a turd, runs 17's all day long, haven't seen a fast one yet! :D

Jpax

11-28-2002, 01:34 AM

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/511/9488/p/144523_1019064079626675348_vl.jpg

02SiHB

11-28-2002, 05:30 AM

Last time I checked, Ford and the rest of Detroit were getting their ass kicked in sales by the rising sun. People are fed up with unreliability, more and more people every year are stemming out to Foriegn automakers... Many people used to stick to the "BUY AMERICAN!" slogan... We'll like most American's we're greedy and we want the best bang for our buck.. Plain and smiple... Automakers like Ford just haven't made a quality car yet.. I'm not talking about how 25 out of 100 Foci dont go to the shop before 30k miles.. Or how your friend's ford runs good.. I'm talking about plain and Simple.. The focus was recalled in 2000 AND AGAIN in 2001... the 2002 Expidition has already had some recalls.. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ALMOST EVERY MODEL OF FORD HAS HAD TO BE RECALLED FOR SOMETHING OR ANOTHER.. the windstar, contour, f-250, ranger, explorer, Taurus, Cobra, Cobra R, E250, E350, Aerostar, Crown Vic, Thunderbird... I dont make this stuff up man... FORD SUCKS.. oh yeah.. Even your prescious SVT Focus has been recalled...

http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/a/02/v00186.htm

02SilverSiHB

11-28-2002, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Acidburn

Sorry man, but I have to disagree with you on this comment. If the engineers of any automobile built a flawed engine, it doesn't matter if you religiously follow a book, follow strict maintenance schedules, or clean your car every week - your car will have problems that you have to pay out of your pocket to repair. Yes, there are many Ford cars that last a very long time - but there is an undeniable fact that there are just as many Fords that have had major engine problems.

Good engineering determines the reliability and life of an engine. Good ownership and maintenance ensures that the engineering of the car is prolonged and upheld. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your engine, if the engineering was crap to begin with - it'll have problems 1,000 miles later or 100,000 miles later. IMO though, no offense.
okay, I was thinking that deep into it :p I was thinking along the lines of a car made relatively well enough to not be a flawed engine