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WhiteComet
03-23-2010, 11:23 AM
seems like hondata just slashed their prices for the reflash for around 50%

http://www.hondata.com/reflash_civicsi.html

$295 for reflash is very tempting...but I'm not sure if the extra cost in gas is worth the gains. Now if only they would slash their kpro prices...

chiwhitesi
03-23-2010, 11:31 AM
what is the cost to upgrade from the reflash to full kpro?

EDIT: just looked and it seems like you would pay around $800 to buy the reflash and then kpro vs the $995 for full kpro

2k3hatchie
03-23-2010, 11:47 AM
This is mint! I was planning on getting it done anyway!

civicSIracer
03-23-2010, 11:48 AM
i love the reflash!

dirtyMETHOD
03-23-2010, 11:53 AM
what is the cost to upgrade from the reflash to full kpro?

EDIT: just looked and it seems like you would pay around $800 to buy the reflash and then kpro vs the $995 for full kpro


if it is regular price to get upgrade later, then I will most definitely jump on this bandwagon

talonXracer
03-23-2010, 12:02 PM
I was just on their site and I didnt see any price discounts for the reflash.

chiwhitesi
03-23-2010, 12:03 PM
I was just on their site and I didnt see any price discounts for the reflash.

was it always $300? i never looked to be honest

0h5ive_EP3
03-23-2010, 12:07 PM
this is extremely tempting, but i don't want to send out my ECU

heyvortek
03-23-2010, 12:08 PM
no it was lke $595 for a reflash then like 400 to upgrade..cant really remember

dirtyMETHOD
03-23-2010, 12:13 PM
just press on his link in the first post. it states right there $295 for reflash. I want Kpro and this seems the most cost-effective way to go about it.

WhiteComet
03-23-2010, 12:16 PM
now if only they drop kpro to $600...

heyvortek
03-23-2010, 12:16 PM
it cost effective if the only upgrades u have to ur a3 is i/h/e. other than that its not effective. it thnk its worth it. i dont really see a bad to this. u can upgrade later if u do something big.

dirtyMETHOD
03-23-2010, 12:22 PM
thats what i mean.

I'm mostly stock right now but plan on a swap later. this way I'm halfway to Kpro once I'm ready for swap but can ejoy the A3 to its full potential in the interim.

dirtyMETHOD
03-23-2010, 12:23 PM
now if only they drop kpro to $600...

then I would skip the reflash and go Pro in a heartbeat

salvatore
03-23-2010, 01:40 PM
how much hp will you gain if you have shorty header , and full catback exhaust with AEM V2 intake? If its anywhere around 15 hp i think its very worth it!

dirtyMETHOD
03-23-2010, 01:47 PM
how much hp will you gain if you have shorty header , and full catback exhaust with AEM V2 intake? If its anywhere around 15 hp i think its very worth it!

Hondata states 10-12 hp with similar mods. The extra revs is what i think makes the most noticable gains since it streches the powerband and supposebly sheds a full second off 0-60mph times

kai-wun
03-23-2010, 02:46 PM
Not sure if already posted ...

Pricing

This reflash is specifically tuned for the USDM Civic Si K20A3.

K20A3-Si ECU flash program 7700 rpm REV limit - $295
Hondata does not sell direct - all sales and payment must be conducted through Hondata dealers. The upgrade information form must be sent with your ECU.

http://www.hondata.com/reflash_civicsi.html

Cheers

04bluepearl
03-23-2010, 02:47 PM
Nice, this is good news. I'm going to try to pick one of these up this week! Wasn't their a thread about the compatibility of the reflash and i/rh/e? I remember some people were worried about the air fuel ratio running too lean. Did we ever come up with an answer? I tried searching, but couldn't find the thread.

yyi
03-23-2010, 03:50 PM
yeah..... its been posted already

Tortoise
03-23-2010, 04:12 PM
seems like hondata just slashed their prices for the reflash for around 50%

http://www.hondata.com/reflash_civicsi.html

$295 for reflash is very tempting...but I'm not sure if the extra cost in gas is worth the gains. Now if only they would slash their kpro prices...


What do u mean by the extra price in gass?

2k3hatchie
03-23-2010, 04:32 PM
What do u mean by the extra price in gass?

I think he was referring to the price of Premium gas, you need to run 91+ with the reflash

15000rpms
03-23-2010, 04:37 PM
I always wonder if you can use k-pro and tune the car and save the map to the reflash. or any other way to use kpro and put the map in another ecu?

AUTiger
03-23-2010, 04:38 PM
^^^^^you need to run 91+ octane with the reflash.

I wish that price was available back when I bought k-pro. I was going back and forth and figured why pay 595 and then another 400 later on to upgrade when I purchased k-pro for 869 shipped. It would have made my decision real easy, but I had that lingering feeling I would go beyond i/rh/e and I was right, so in the end K-Pro was a good decision. However, from a resale standpoint I sure hope that the price of k-pro doesn't drop like the reflash did. Not that I plan on selling anytime soon, but for years people have been able to turn around and sell their kpro-ed ecu's for $800+.

AUTiger
03-23-2010, 04:42 PM
wow, if I read that correctly then I would just buy the reflash, then a week later upgrade to k-pro. Clubrsx/Clubep3 is selling them for 290. Then the cost to upgrade is 500. Then basically you can get k-pro for 790, ain't that some shit.

cronicEP
03-23-2010, 05:06 PM
maybe jumping on this when i get my tax money....

dkid15
03-23-2010, 07:07 PM
Now reflash is very worth it to anyone with boltons. What i dont get.
PAy 990 for kpro
Pay 290 for reflash + 500 for upgrade to kpro = 790 for kpro?

Hondata math fail?

salvatore
03-23-2010, 08:15 PM
has anyone ever done this before, just worried about sending my ECU out. I wonder how long it takes to get it back? Imagine if it gets lots during shipment or damaged, some things that scare me. I wish there are some shops in GTA area that can do this on site for that price. That would be perfect not comfortable in sending my ecu out.

charles
03-23-2010, 08:20 PM
Hondata states 10-12 hp with similar mods. The extra revs is what i think makes the most noticable gains since it streches the powerband and supposebly sheds a full second off 0-60mph times

It helps your 0-60mph speeds because you can stay in 2nd to get 60mph. One less shift to get to 60mph = faster times

04bluepearl
03-23-2010, 09:24 PM
So there's no danger in using a reflashed ecu with i/rh/e, as in the engine running lean?

kprocivic
03-23-2010, 09:29 PM
So there's no danger in using a reflashed ecu with i/rh/e, as in the engine running lean?

lol no.

mobomelter
03-23-2010, 09:29 PM
This is awesome. I was so tempted to do it and now that I'll have a spare car over the summer I can easily afford to have my ECU gone for a few days. So excited.

04bluepearl
03-23-2010, 09:50 PM
lol no.

Haha, thanks. Not sure why I thought that was an issue.

heyvortek
03-23-2010, 09:55 PM
im not sure about reflash but when i did kpro i sent it next day and i got it bak two days later. they next day my ecu back. i dont know how reflash would work tho.

Tortoise
03-23-2010, 10:29 PM
Deff picking this up this week! Can someone link me where to buy it?

03silverEP
03-23-2010, 10:42 PM
Sweet, yes (above) where do I buy a reflash for $295

So much better than $700 that's BS!

kprocivic
03-23-2010, 11:22 PM
there are a few vendors on our site who sell hondata, check the vendors classifieds 300 is a steal.

03silverEP
03-23-2010, 11:25 PM
okay, thanks :)

WhiteComet
03-23-2010, 11:56 PM
those of you who have done the reflash.....does it make any noticeable difference aside from the longer redline?

kprocivic
03-24-2010, 12:21 AM
those of you who have done the reflash.....does it make any noticeable difference aside from the longer redline?

yeah you can tell. for 300 man its the best mod you can buy for the money. you aint gonna be beating any 10 second lime green eclipses but it will be fun to drive.

thakid
03-24-2010, 12:32 AM
Just go full kpro. Throw out the 800. Its not bad. I love kpro.

kprocivic
03-24-2010, 12:35 AM
Just go full kpro. Throw out the 800. Its not bad. I love kpro.

i would agree only if you never plan on further building your car. if you plan on swapping or boosting save for kpro.

LouisianaEP3
03-24-2010, 06:04 AM
Damn I might have to get a spare ecu and send it for reflash.

isaac297
03-24-2010, 06:33 AM
sorry for the noob question but what does re flash do?

dirtyMETHOD
03-24-2010, 06:43 AM
sorry for the noob question but what does re flash do?

click on the link in the first post...

It enhances your K20A3's performance.

something like this:
"The K20A3-Si program advances the ignition, alters the cam timing and optimizes the fuel for a cold air intake, adding 4-9 ft lb across the rev range."

MadLorEP3
03-24-2010, 06:50 AM
Now reflash is very worth it to anyone with boltons. What i dont get.
PAy 990 for kpro
Pay 290 for reflash + 500 for upgrade to kpro = 790 for kpro?

Hondata math fail?

nice...790 kpro

0h5ive_EP3
03-24-2010, 07:31 AM
clubrsx sells it for 290 and they overnight your ecu, check the website

for $5 less, a very reputable company, and overnight shipping it's a no brainer

04bluepearl
03-24-2010, 07:43 AM
clubrsx sells it for 290 and they overnight your ecu, check the website

for $5 less, a very reputable company, and overnight shipping it's a no brainer

Looks like they only have it for the rsx models. If you compare the rsx base reflash and the one for our car there appereas to b several differences, http://www.hondata.com/reflash_rsx_base.html, http://www.hondata.com/reflash_civicsi.html.

As soon as I can find a place to order I'm picking one up!

0h5ive_EP3
03-24-2010, 07:47 AM
Looks like they only have it for the rsx models. If you compare the rsx base reflash and the one for our car there appereas to b several differences, http://www.hondata.com/reflash_rsx_base.html, http://www.hondata.com/reflash_civicsi.html.

As soon as I can find a place to order I'm picking one up!

it's also for the ep3, try shopping for ep3 on the site or just go to clubep3.net and it's on the main page

AUTiger
03-24-2010, 07:47 AM
clubep3, the daughter forum of clubrsx sells it for the ep3 at 290

04bluepearl
03-24-2010, 07:50 AM
it's also for the ep3, try shopping for ep3 on the site or just go to clubep3.net and it's on the main page

Thanks, I found it!

kai-wun
03-24-2010, 09:50 AM
Now reflash is very worth it to anyone with boltons. What i dont get.
PAy 990 for kpro
Pay 290 for reflash + 500 for upgrade to kpro = 790 for kpro?

Hondata math fail?

Hopefully this means a kPro price drop ... Let's petition Hondata for a $5-600 KPro? lol

Tortoise
03-24-2010, 11:22 AM
Where do i locate my ecu? Is it easy to get to?

chiwhitesi
03-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Where do i locate my ecu? Is it easy to get to?

pull the 2 tabs out from the inside of the golve box and drop out the glove box. its right there i think you need a 10mm for the bolts that hold in the ecu but its pretty simple.

oldschoolimport
03-24-2010, 11:48 AM
Hopefully this means a kPro price drop ... Let's petition Hondata for a $5-600 KPro? lol

that'll never happen. they have the lock on k-series engine management at the moment, so there is no reason to drop the price of k-pro. the reflash price drop is just to get folks on the path to k-pro. piss on hondata!

drjd888
03-24-2010, 02:12 PM
Does this effect the immobilizer like kpro does?

oldschoolimport
03-24-2010, 02:23 PM
threads merged...

4angrybadgers
03-25-2010, 05:42 AM
Does this effect the immobilizer like kpro does?

If you send in your original ECU for the reflash, the immobilizer will still work fine. If you send in another ECU to be reflashed and swap ECUs, then you will have to go to the dealer and get your immobilizer/ECU resynchronized.

isaac297
03-25-2010, 06:31 AM
click on the link in the first post...

It enhances your K20A3's performance.

something like this:
"The K20A3-Si program advances the ignition, alters the cam timing and optimizes the fuel for a cold air intake, adding 4-9 ft lb across the rev range."

thanks i clicked on the link. NOW i KNOW.....
so should i get the RE FLASH or just save up for K-pro?

kai-wun
03-25-2010, 07:33 AM
Hm. I'm seriously considering this.

I already have an SRI installed from previous owner. Will going to CAI benefit that much?
How about stock everything else? Maybe a midpipe upgrade?

dirtyMETHOD
03-25-2010, 03:20 PM
if you ever considered doing more than just simple bolt ons to your car; boost, nitrous, cammed (vtec killer), bored, SWAP, bigger injectors, then getting the reflash now to get a bit more edge while you get funds for future upgrades will only save you money in the long run and allow you to have more fun while doing it.

i think its a no-brainer to get the reflash then upgrade to Kpro, then your tuning power is nearly limitless young grasshopper.

I think I'm yanking out my ECU next week while I'm on Vacation:mbiggrin:

Blue03Si
03-25-2010, 03:36 PM
Does anyone know if you NEED a CAI in order to benefit from the re-flash. Specifically, can I get away with having a Hondata modded air box, ctr header & cat, dc5-s mid pipe, and spoon N1? I'm interested in the re-flash, but don't want using an air box to cause it to run lean and damage something. I'm find with using 91 octane.

dirtyMETHOD
03-25-2010, 04:21 PM
not required according to Hondata, just an improvement over stock with CAI and Headers.

With your current mods it seems that you have more to benefit from the reflash than to worry about, plus you got a modded box which should give you better airflow especially with the added REVS

04bluepearl
03-25-2010, 05:48 PM
Anyone else order their reflash yet? I mailed my ECU in yesterday and hope to get it back mid next week :mbiggrin:

Maybe I'll throw some new wheels under the ep while shes down :mangel:

Blue03Si
03-25-2010, 06:01 PM
Anyone else order their reflash yet? I mailed my ECU in yesterday and hope to get it back mid next week :mbiggrin:

Maybe I'll throw some new wheels under the ep while shes down :mangel:

Can't afford it right now, but I'm eagerly awaiting your review!

dirtyMETHOD
03-25-2010, 06:24 PM
It helps your 0-60mph speeds because you can stay in 2nd to get 60mph. One less shift to get to 60mph = faster times

=:yeahthat:

adhesiveaaron
03-25-2010, 06:25 PM
This will be happening sometime next week for me along with exhaust and some other fun things with tax return money.
then saving for the swap and k-pro
excitedd :)

dirtyMETHOD
03-25-2010, 06:40 PM
This will be happening sometime next week for me along with exhaust and some other fun things with tax return money.
then saving for the swap and k-pro
excitedd :)

good use for the xtra cash. Let us know how u like it

salvatore
03-25-2010, 06:42 PM
Anyone else order their reflash yet? I mailed my ECU in yesterday and hope to get it back mid next week :mbiggrin:

Maybe I'll throw some new wheels under the ep while shes down :mangel:

Hey bro where did you buy it from? Which site? thanks

04bluepearl
03-25-2010, 06:52 PM
Hey bro where did you buy it from? Which site? thanks

I got it from club rsx man. It seems like a pretty good deal.

salvatore
03-25-2010, 07:49 PM
Sweet bro, its def worth it. Going to order it soon, make sure you post up a review of how it feels bro, im guessing its going to feel a lot stronger!! Any clue if they ship to Canada, or would that be an issue you think? I know some companies dont like shipping to Canada for whatever reason lol.

403ep3
03-26-2010, 07:13 AM
Sweet bro, its def worth it. Going to order it soon, make sure you post up a review of how it feels bro, im guessing its going to feel a lot stronger!! Any clue if they ship to Canada, or would that be an issue you think? I know some companies dont like shipping to Canada for whatever reason lol.



You have to order through a vendor in canada I beleive. Their website lists the vendors located in canada somewhere on the site.

salvatore
03-26-2010, 10:02 AM
Hey did some research. Found few vendors in Canada if anyone was wondering. Neetronics in Toronto, Ontario will do it. Its 295 plus exchange rate/ 5% tax. They also have overnight shipping with insurance. I do not have a header but do have a catback exhaust with an AEM intake V2, they said i should be fine. What do you guys think?

Do i need to get a header to or will i be alright with just intake and full catback. Dont want the car to run lean or something and ultimately screw my engine up.

dirtyMETHOD
03-26-2010, 10:47 AM
it shouldn't run lean.
it uses the airflow sensor to calculate and adjust your air/fuel ratio. It will only run lean with a race header I believe(any tuners chime in when you want)

403ep3
03-26-2010, 11:06 AM
it shouldn't run lean.
it uses the airflow sensor to calculate and adjust your air/fuel ratio. It will only run lean with a race header I believe(any tuners chime in when you want)

So if I have i/rh/e I will be running lean? Is there any way to avoid that? was looking for infomation but I can't find any recent stuff on this site anymore =(

dirtyMETHOD
03-26-2010, 11:45 AM
best thing for a detailed answer is to call or email Hondata

http://www.hondata.com/reflash_civicsi.html
"Headers have been tested with this program. Dyno charts can be found in the tech section (soon).

This tune for 91 octane pump gas. We have not tested it on 87. In the graph above, the change in octane was worth about 2hp and the tuning 8-10.

Two cars were used for testing. A totally stock Civic Si, shown in the graph above, and another with CAI and headers. Surprisingly the response to the flash program on the dyno were very different. The second vehicle (intake+headers) showed marginal change on the dyno, yet the owner reported stronger part throttle response and much improved top end. The dyno chart for the second vehicle is below. This is the vehicle in which we measured a 1 second improvement in the 0-60 times." says Hondata.



This leads me to believe that unless ur boosting you shouldn't run lean. but it's the "race" headers that I'm unsure about. You got a Cat and Muffler, right?

The ECU adjusts the a/f ratio accordingly, and the stock injectors should be able to keep up with the bolt ons. Reflash is supposed to be the best upgrade, short of Kpro, if your running int/headers/exhaust since it allows for better breathing, especially up top in the revs. But if your really worried, get an A/F gauge and patrol that sucka. +1 for looks to.

dirtyMETHOD
03-26-2010, 12:11 PM
Now reflash is very worth it to anyone with boltons. What i dont get.
PAy 990 for kpro
Pay 290 for reflash + 500 for upgrade to kpro = 790 for kpro?

Hondata math fail?


nah, just found this:

Price Description
$500 Upgrade cost for existing Hondata reflash prior to March 22 2010 (ECU must be sent to Hondata or authorized installer).
$800 Upgrade cost for existing Hondata reflash prior to March 22 2010 (ECU must be sent to Hondata or authorized installer).
$995 Retail price (ECU must be sent to Hondata or authorized installer).
$1595 K-Pro with new Honda PRB ECU based off US RSX-S

03civichatch
03-26-2010, 01:11 PM
I'm definitely doing this as soon as i start my second job! this is cheaper then a new exhaust or any other bolt on and will give a very big improvement!! can't wait!!

EP3SiBoi90
03-27-2010, 11:37 PM
Quick question,

I just ordered mine from CRSX, was I suppose to get the forms through email "right" upon purchase?
All I got was the order confirmation email.
I used Paypal if that makes a difference.

i02si
03-28-2010, 07:10 AM
Your suppost to get the mailing details to print out and stick on the box with your ecu in it...

EP3SiBoi90
03-28-2010, 10:41 AM
I thought as much. Should I contact them directly or should I wait until monday for the other emails?
I ordered it on Sat night, and I was kinda hoping to ship it out today.
You guys think there's a different way they process Kpro/Reflash orders?

04bluepearl
03-28-2010, 10:46 AM
I would imagine they only work weekdays so you would get your email with the shipping information tomorrow.

&REY
03-28-2010, 10:49 AM
Really considering it for my K20A2.... hmm

04bluepearl
03-28-2010, 10:51 AM
Really considering it for my K20A2.... hmm

By the looks of your "k-pro fund" you could get the reflash then upgrade to full kpro very soon :)

EP3SiBoi90
03-28-2010, 11:00 AM
Haha I was beginning to think the same thing, thanks fellas!

&REY
03-28-2010, 11:13 AM
By the looks of your "k-pro fund" you could get the reflash then upgrade to full kpro very soon :)

Ya man, just wondering if I going to have some power dip since I have stock airbox.
VTEC is setup at 5200 for reflash, which is good with CAI or SRI, but with stock intake Hondata recommends 5800-rpm crossover...
Injen CAI is a good investment, tho.

So the dillema is to get just a reflash and maybe CAI later down the road or reflash and CAI right away.

Also I still have my stock A3 ECU, I could probably use it for reflash and sell my a2 ecu for like 200 or so.

Tortoise
03-28-2010, 11:16 AM
So how does this work? I order it and they gimme an address to send my ecu to and then they send it back a week later?

clandestine2
03-28-2010, 06:31 PM
Does anyone know how long the actual installation process takes? I live about 1.5 hours from a dealer and wonder if I could just drive there and have them install it.

EP3SiBoi90
03-28-2010, 08:21 PM
So how does this work? I order it and they gimme an address to send my ecu to and then they send it back a week later?

I'm thinking you're suppose to get a prepaid shipping label (via email), depending on who you purchased it from,
find a small box that will allow your ecu to fit in, with a little room for cushion if you want to add for protection, be sure to include the forms Hondata need,
and I think some say once they get it they work on it and ship it out the same day.

I should be getting that email with the forms and shipping label tomorrow since one of the guys here said CRSX, the party I purchased it from, aren't open on weekends.

EP3SiBoi90
03-28-2010, 08:24 PM
Does anyone know how long the actual installation process takes? I live about 1.5 hours from a dealer and wonder if I could just drive there and have them install it.

Pretty much plug and play, save time and money by just removing your ecu and sending it in.
It should be located on the passenger side beneath the glove compartment.
Just 3 screws and 3 ecu connectors, remove those, slide the ecu out from the top and your set to send it in.

i02si
03-29-2010, 07:44 AM
If anyone still needs help on how to take out the ecu...

http://hondata.com/k20removeecu.html

kai-wun
03-29-2010, 08:41 AM
Hm. I'm seriously considering this.

I already have an SRI installed from previous owner. Will going to CAI benefit that much?
How about stock everything else? Maybe a midpipe upgrade?

Anyone?

i02si
03-29-2010, 09:21 AM
Cai will help out more just upgrade down the line or find a cheap used one and get it....Cai>Sri

EP3SiBoi90
03-29-2010, 11:45 AM
One more question,

I've currently got a half tank of 87 in my car.
I know Reflash was tuned for 91, so is it safe to say that once I get my ECU back and plug it in, can I drive to the nearest gas station and fill up the other half with 91?

kprocivic
03-29-2010, 12:28 PM
One more question,

I've currently got a half tank of 87 in my car.
I know Reflash was tuned for 91, so is it safe to say that once I get my ECU back and plug it in, can I drive to the nearest gas station and fill up the other half with 91?

Yes u can drive to the gas station.

Cheep3
03-29-2010, 05:45 PM
Have there been any dyno tests posted on the reflash? Stock or h/i/e? If I recall right it's more of a difference in power delivery and not actual power.

2k3hatchie
03-29-2010, 06:23 PM
If anyone still needs help on how to take out the ecu...

http://hondata.com/k20removeecu.html

Bookmarked!


Cai will help out more just upgrade down the line or find a cheap used one and get it....Cai>Sri

Not if it sucks up water:mwink: seriously though, with the record rainfall we've been getting up here this spring im glad i've got an SRI instead of a CAI

i02si
03-30-2010, 08:22 AM
I love my cai but then again my ep isn't a dd...hehe

vboy127
03-30-2010, 09:34 AM
And the saving for reflash begins... n_n

RedSiBaron
03-30-2010, 10:33 AM
shit, i feel like i need to get this...as in, i need to sell my bass guitar like yesterday and do this...

Blue03Si
03-30-2010, 10:46 AM
I think Hondata found the correct price point for the reflash. If people get good results out of it and like it then I will definitely be getting one.

04bluepearl
03-30-2010, 11:13 AM
Fuck yeah, hondata recieved my ecu this morning! I cant wait to get it back. And because I felt bad for my car not being able to be driven I bought her a new set of wheels :) Im super happy they lowered the price on the reflash, it makes it a great stepping stone to kpro which is what I hope to do in the future.

RedSiBaron
03-30-2010, 12:24 PM
Fuck yeah, hondata recieved my ecu this morning! I cant wait to get it back. And because I felt bad for my car not being able to be driven I bought her a new set of wheels :) Im super happy they lowered the price on the reflash, it makes it a great stepping stone to kpro which is what I hope to do in the future.

god dammit son, i need to get this to keep up with you now haha...

seriously, i really want to get this, you'll have to let me know what the turn around on it is so i know how long ill be without a car...

you watch, ill send it out and the package will be left on my doorstep in clifton and some crooked fucker is going to steal it and then be pissed because they wont know what to do with it and ill be without an ecu for my car hahaha

04bluepearl
03-30-2010, 12:46 PM
god dammit son, i need to get this to keep up with you now haha...

seriously, i really want to get this, you'll have to let me know what the turn around on it is so i know how long ill be without a car...

you watch, ill send it out and the package will be left on my doorstep in clifton and some crooked fucker is going to steal it and then be pissed because they wont know what to do with it and ill be without an ecu for my car hahaha

Haha yeah I wouldn't wana leave my ecu out in clifton either haha. Yeah ill let you know, you can ride in it if you want lol. I bet that twin loop would sound crazy sick at 7700 rpms :msmile:

vboy127
03-30-2010, 01:12 PM
Speaking of twin-loops, I was saving up some cash to get the OBX loop thats been sitting in my room installed... but I think the reflash would be a much better investment to send that money towards. :)

Any idea on how long this price is gonna last?? Is it permanent?

2k3hatchie
03-30-2010, 03:46 PM
I'd definitely like to get some feedback on turn around time, being w/o a car is probably the biggest concern of mine right now.

scorpionsf
03-30-2010, 08:27 PM
i think its a permanent thing. if you look at k-pro they have reflash to k-pro upgrade prices before and after the price drop.

RedSiBaron
03-30-2010, 08:49 PM
Haha yeah I wouldn't wana leave my ecu out in clifton either haha. Yeah ill let you know, you can ride in it if you want lol. I bet that twin loop would sound crazy sick at 7700 rpms :msmile:

oh im sure it would...cant wait to see what you think, if it turns out to be amazing id like to jump on this soon

EP3SiBoi90
03-30-2010, 09:32 PM
I'd definitely like to get some feedback on turn around time, being w/o a car is probably the biggest concern of mine right now.

I got a call from Fedex a few hours ago telling me that something is being shipped to me.
I sent my ECU in yesterday, Next Day Air, and now Fedex is telling me I should expect something by Wednesday (needs a signature so I'm definitely staying home).
I know it's the ECU b/c Torrance, where Hondata is located, is right beneath the Fedex shipping hub in Hawthorne...sooo
the turn around is pretty quick.

RedSiBaron
03-30-2010, 10:05 PM
damn thats quick, but then again you live in cali :mwink:


i didnt know hondata was in torrance, which i find funny because hondas advanced concepts studio is in torrance

403ep3
03-31-2010, 10:35 AM
So a local shop wants 440 for it =-( and there are only 3 shops located in all of canada that deal with hondata. DAMN IT! lol markup

Blue03Si
03-31-2010, 10:37 AM
So a local shop wants 440 for it =-( and there are only 3 shops located in all of canada that deal with hondata. DAMN IT! lol markup

440USD or CAD?

Blue03Si
03-31-2010, 10:45 AM
So a local shop wants 440 for it =-( and there are only 3 shops located in all of canada that deal with hondata. DAMN IT! lol markup


440USD or CAD?

Ok i just looked up the exchange rate, 1 CAD = .98 USD. So its not a big difference, lol. CAD vs USD used to have a larger difference.

EP3SiBoi90
03-31-2010, 11:29 AM
Well I just got my ECU back!

Haha that's true I'm living in CA so shipping for Overnight to Hondata was a bit cheaper.
Still, I don't think Hondata was joking when they guarantee they'll work on your ECU and ship back to you Fedex Standard Overnight on the same day they receive it.
So excited to put this back in! :mbiggrin:



oh yeah I probably should have asked this when I asked about octane. But, is it safe to run half 87 (what I still have in the tank) half 91 for a full tank? I'm planning on going on a 4-5hr drive out of town later this week. Once I hit the halfway mark I'll fill it back up again with 91.

RedSiBaron
03-31-2010, 11:40 AM
it will be fine to have half a tank of 87

kprocivic
03-31-2010, 11:41 AM
you'll be ok with the half and half.

Blue03Si
03-31-2010, 11:47 AM
Well I just got my ECU back!

Haha that's true I'm living in CA so shipping for Overnight to Hondata was a bit cheaper.
Still, I don't think Hondata was joking when they guarantee they'll work on your ECU and ship back to you Fedex Standard Overnight on the same day they receive it.
So excited to put this back in! :mbiggrin:



oh yeah I probably should have asked this when I asked about octane. But, is it safe to run half 87 (what I still have in the tank) half 91 for a full tank? I'm planning on going on a 4-5hr drive out of town later this week. Once I hit the halfway mark I'll fill it back up again with 91.

Countdown begins, you have 24 hours to write your driving impressions!

T_Virus
03-31-2010, 11:59 AM
Well I just got my ECU back!

Haha that's true I'm living in CA so shipping for Overnight to Hondata was a bit cheaper.
Still, I don't think Hondata was joking when they guarantee they'll work on your ECU and ship back to you Fedex Standard Overnight on the same day they receive it.
So excited to put this back in! :mbiggrin:



oh yeah I probably should have asked this when I asked about octane. But, is it safe to run half 87 (what I still have in the tank) half 91 for a full tank? I'm planning on going on a 4-5hr drive out of town later this week. Once I hit the halfway mark I'll fill it back up again with 91.

Take a trip to Lake Tahoe and then come back and fill her up with 91...j/k...LoL...but glad you got hondata reflash...So far you and PoloRob are the only 2 that I know know with Hondata Reflash in the area...you'll like it with bolt ons until you get power hungry again. There is not really a difference in HP but your torque will really clean up to a extent. I know PoloRob's did...

Tortoise
03-31-2010, 01:26 PM
Jus placed my order gonna send my stuff out tomorrow. very excited!

ep-unit
03-31-2010, 04:37 PM
just e-mailed the guys at clubrsx and asked about the reflash and then upgrading to Kpro down the line which seems to be the cheaper way, said, Quote " The
people who purchase it while on sale will have to pay $800 to upgrade.
That is hondatas rule".

EP3SiBoi90
03-31-2010, 06:04 PM
Countdown begins, you have 24 hours to write your driving impressions!

Well I installed the ECU and went to take it out for a spin. Got some gas and did a quick run on Excelsior (Sac heads you know where that is :mbiggrin:)
Anyways before filling up, I just cruised it to the gas station. I kinda wanted to break it in a bit (if that was the right term to use) so I took it slow. I didn't really feel a difference til after I filled up.
After filling up, and taking it to the said road, I definitely felt something different about it. Everything seemed much smoother! From first-second-third, I was beginning to think this wasn't my car anymore haha!


Take a trip to Lake Tahoe and then come back and fill her up with 91...j/k...LoL...but glad you got hondata reflash...So far you and PoloRob are the only 2 that I know know with Hondata Reflash in the area...you'll like it with bolt ons until you get power hungry again. There is not really a difference in HP but your torque will really clean up to a extent. I know PoloRob's did...

Haha I'm actually going south towards Central CA. So a more definitive review may be coming when I come back from that trip. I hella forgot PoloRob had it too. Last time I saw you guys was during that meet at Arden. Last time I saw you was at the Sac Raceway! Haha! Since then I've changed out the SRI to a CAI. But you're right. The torque definitely smoothed out. Now I just need a RH and I think I'm good.


For those of you still thinking! JUMP ON IT FELLAS!

vboy127
03-31-2010, 07:23 PM
just e-mailed the guys at clubrsx and asked about the reflash and then upgrading to Kpro down the line which seems to be the cheaper way, said, Quote " The
people who purchase it while on sale will have to pay $800 to upgrade.
That is hondatas rule".

Wait... what? Is this true??

Mighty_Mouse
03-31-2010, 07:52 PM
I was just on their site and I didnt see any price discounts for the reflash.

Um, try looking again. Pretty hard to miss. LOL

04bluepearl
03-31-2010, 08:04 PM
Wait... what? Is this true??

Aw fuck for real? I didnt know it was a sale I thought it was a price drop?

Edit, i got back and installed my ecu today! Its pretty badass. But now im pissed about $1100 kpro. Im not sure if i would of bought the reflash had i known that.

403ep3
03-31-2010, 08:31 PM
I know it's off topic but kinda on topic but does anyone have any information on the haltech ecu's?

I'm going for kpro or haltech

EP3SiBoi90
03-31-2010, 08:39 PM
just e-mailed the guys at clubrsx and asked about the reflash and then upgrading to Kpro down the line which seems to be the cheaper way, said, Quote " The
people who purchase it while on sale will have to pay $800 to upgrade.
That is hondatas rule".

So I'm guessing this:

http://www.clubrsx.com/cr/HD-PECUU.html

does not apply to those who bought Reflash for $290?

Tortoise
03-31-2010, 09:02 PM
How noticeable is it guys?

ep-unit
04-01-2010, 12:53 AM
So I'm guessing this:

http://www.clubrsx.com/cr/HD-PECUU.html

does not apply to those who bought Reflash for $290?

yah on the hondata site is say: $800 Upgrade cost for existing Hondata reflash after March 22 2010 (ECU must be sent to Hondata or authorized installer). so anytime reflash purchased before that date gets the 500.

HatchLing02
04-01-2010, 12:59 PM
WoW they hit the nail on the head with the price cut but now they sorta F'd it up with the upgrade cost . its almost like they dont want you to buy the reflash? They should suck it up , they drop the price b/c no one cares about the reflash when kpro was only a few hundo more now its 800 ! good luck trying to get a returning customer, easyer to buy a used kpro ecu. Also im not bashing on the reflash i think there perfectly fine matter fact i been reading this thread last few days and i wanna hear more feedback with everyone who just got it. My civic has been parted out for a long time w just a few bolt ons but for the most part low key and for 300 i might consider the reflash only bc im not really looking to go kpro the cars paid for and it just is used for whatever. What kind of miles are on your civics with the new reflash anyone just reflash around 100k? anything to worry about?

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-01-2010, 02:52 PM
So for the people who got the reflash did they have to send in their immoblizer and a key in order for their immoblizer to still work? I am considering picking this up either friday or monday.

EP3SiBoi90
04-01-2010, 03:22 PM
So for the people who got the reflash did they have to send in their immoblizer and a key in order for their immoblizer to still work? I am considering picking this up either friday or monday.

I did, and they sent both of them back along with the Reflash.

dohcep3
04-01-2010, 04:02 PM
Quick question for anyone with the reflash: How is the idle? Is it the same as it used to be before the relfash? Cause my previous car (em1 b-series) when i had the ecu "chipped" it idle like SH**T . So i figure i needed a tune, so i took it to churchs and got my car tune there. Dont get me wrong its alot of power gain BUT I HATE THE IDLE! its a bit bouncy, and its reallly just not the same as before.... Also, I had the hondata s300 WITH a tune before. Same thing, the car just doesnt idel or seems the same..... Especially with the ac on... thats worse. With the stock ecu, it doesnt happen like that....

EP3driver
04-02-2010, 08:11 AM
Pretty much plug and play, save time and money by just removing your ecu and sending it in.
It should be located on the passenger side beneath the glove compartment.
Just 3 screws and 3 ecu connectors, remove those, slide the ecu out from the top and your set to send it in.

Or drive to a dealer and have them reflash without hassles!!

Blue03Si
04-02-2010, 09:42 AM
Or drive to a dealer and have them reflash without hassles!!

The dealer doesn't do the reflash. They would send it to hondata. Hondata doesn't do any of their own sales, they do it through authorized distributors. What happens is the you buy the reflash through the distributor and the distributor will email you the prepaid information to ship your ECU to hondata. Hondata will receive it, do their stuff, then ship it back to you. The distributor will be the ones paying hondata for the work.

Also its not a reflash in the traditional sense, I believe hondata actually modifies the ECU physically. Its more like adding a chip to it. Can someone who knows chime in on this?

salvatore
04-02-2010, 11:14 AM
Anybody get there ecu back and have reviews they woukd like to share? Hows the idle after the reflash, noticable power gains? Worth the money, looking for answers from people who actually have the reflash done lol. Thanks.

EP3SiBoi90
04-02-2010, 12:04 PM
Idle is perfectly fine if you've taken the liberty of doing the idle relearn process. Mine idles right below 1000. Power wise, I'm pretty sure with the CAI an exhaust that I have HP is somewhat minimal, but torque wise, it's definitely picked up. Smoothed out the entire torque band, but that's just my feeling. Everyone may experience theirs differently than mine, so if you want to know how it feels, try it. I am not that adept in putting into words as some of the others on here, but I can say there is a difference between the old and new.

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-03-2010, 05:54 PM
I did, and they sent both of them back along with the Reflash.

So did you send a key and the immoblizer with the ecu.

EP3SiBoi90
04-03-2010, 07:41 PM
So did you send a key and the immoblizer with the ecu.

Yup!

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-03-2010, 08:47 PM
ok cool i am gonna send mine in monday how do you like the reflash

EP3SiBoi90
04-03-2010, 09:29 PM
I actually like it a lot. With what bolt ons I have on, the car seems to be running better than before. Not saying it's faster, but overall everything feels much smoother.

SiRCivic03
04-05-2010, 02:28 PM
Well i just dropped my ecu off at ups a few hours ago, hope i like the reflash. I will post up how it feels when i get it back this week

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-05-2010, 03:20 PM
Well i just dropped my ecu off at ups a few hours ago, hope i like the reflash. I will post up how it feels when i get it back this week

I just dropped off my ecu as well cant wait to get it back

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-07-2010, 03:37 PM
I just got my ecu back today and first impressions is that it is worth the 300 car feels over all much smoother still havent taken the car to the higher redline yet.

SiRCivic03
04-07-2010, 05:02 PM
Same here. Just got back from my first test drive. I let the car re learn idle, filled it from the gas light to 3/4 tank of 93 octane and whipped on it a little bit.

My mods are: Fujita RSX-S cold air intake, ITR PRC intake manifold, Jackson Racing race header, 06 type s midpipe, spoon n1 axle back.

My impressions are that the cars power dilevery is much smoother, hitting past 60mph in 2cd rocks, more useable torque from around 3k on, dont know if it is really faster, but the overall driving is much better. Where before I had nothing, now i feel something. I have an auto-x on sunday, and a track day in a month, so we will see how the reflash helps. Im really pretty happy. Good use of $300 hands down.

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-07-2010, 06:23 PM
I have to agree with sircivic03 car does feel a lot better. I am however kinda scared to rev that high on stock internals. Then again if i do blow the a3 better excuse to do a swap. My mods right now are Comptech icebox, dcrh, and a T1R mid. I am also worried about the car running to lean but i'll see how it is as i drive it around more.

SiRCivic03
04-07-2010, 06:27 PM
mighty i wouldnt be worried, i mean i hit the rev limiter so much the past 3 years of road racing and autocrossing that the thing shouldnt still be alive, the extra revs are there now, use 'em. And becasue for the class im building the car for I need to keep the stock motor, a k20a3 is the bastard of the k series so the a3's float around used for stupid cheap so i wont be heart broken if mine goes boom.

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-07-2010, 06:53 PM
mighty i wouldnt be worried, i mean i hit the rev limiter so much the past 3 years of road racing and autocrossing that the thing shouldnt still be alive, the extra revs are there now, use 'em. And becasue for the class im building the car for I need to keep the stock motor, a k20a3 is the bastard of the k series so the a3's float around used for stupid cheap so i wont be heart broken if mine goes boom.

Good to know and i have bounced my rev limiter a bunch of times since i got the car new. I also did notice a3's are pretty cheap used. I am also seeing a lot of k20z3's going on sale too i guess a lot of people are crashing their fa5's and fg2's

Tortoise
04-08-2010, 06:24 PM
i shipped mine overnight from jersey to cali got there monday and got it back wednsday i was very impressed with the turnaround time. I agree with the rest that its just more smooth. The increase in power isnt neck snapping but it feels good. My mods are ebay shorty header megan racing catback and ingen sri. The only problem ive experienced is if i try to shift really fast into second at redline it just grinds and wont go in. Nothing a little double clutching doesnt solve. Deff worth the money!

hotwired_78
04-08-2010, 09:19 PM
Good to know and i have bounced my rev limiter a bunch of times since i got the car new. I also did notice a3's are pretty cheap used. I am also seeing a lot of k20z3's going on sale too i guess a lot of people are crashing their fa5's and fg2's

si's get wrecked so often. think about the kind of people that would buy si's. for example. me. lol. i got a cheap car for a reason. leaves room for "jackassery"

love559
04-08-2010, 11:19 PM
hey you guys think the reflash will give me a pretty big improvment with these mods:

dc shorty headers.megan test pipe.greddy exhaust.aem sri? im gonna switch maybe to the v2 cuz or maybe the injen cai... know reflash wont give me the greatest gains but atleast take sumthing

EP3SiBoi90
04-08-2010, 11:37 PM
Glad to see you guys are liking the Reflash! :mbiggrin:

T_Virus
04-09-2010, 12:17 PM
hey you guys think the reflash will give me a pretty big improvment with these mods:

dc shorty headers.megan test pipe.greddy exhaust.aem sri? im gonna switch maybe to the v2 cuz or maybe the injen cai... know reflash wont give me the greatest gains but atleast take sumthing

Big improvements? What kind of improvements are you looking for? For more HP and torque, somewhat and not alot...But to clean up the torque, yes...

Andrew
04-10-2010, 02:35 AM
im gonna save for kpro guys!

love559
04-10-2010, 05:04 PM
Big improvements? What kind of improvements are you looking for? For more HP and torque, somewhat and not alot...But to clean up the torque, yes...

well not big just enough for something lol. want it but just not sure what i want yet im sooooo lost lol

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-11-2010, 08:43 AM
The reflash for me overall is good for 300 bucks. With my mods i am very happy with it, also i think my mpg improved a little, but the car is overall a lot smoother and it is nice being able to hit 60 mph in 2nd gear. If some of the norcal guys go to the meet on saturday i wouldnt mind giving people test drives.

Cheep3
04-11-2010, 01:00 PM
Damn! Time to start saving. Under 3 bills is finally "do-able". Since it is the same ecu is there any restart problems?? (imobilizer, etc.)

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-11-2010, 02:27 PM
Damn! Time to start saving. Under 3 bills is finally "do-able". Since it is the same ecu is there any restart problems?? (imobilizer, etc.)
Nope i didnt have any issues it started right up, and no flashing immoblizer. When i sent in the ecu they ask you to send in the immoblizer and a key along with the ecu.

PartyPooper
04-11-2010, 07:48 PM
alright... big questions i have about reflash...
1)its says used with 91 octane. does that mean the reflash REQUIRES 91 octane or it is just recomended for better results... meaning will it ruin the engine if i just use 87???
2)it is just plug and go, right??
3)i have future plans of putting in a k20a2 w/ tranny in; so if i kpro my ecu that i have now (k20a3), can i use it for my k20a2??? if you can, is it recommended?
4)if you go kpro... i understand they have base maps... so is it plug and go... or is it REQUIRED, a must, to get it tuned???

thanks for the help...

superstocksi
04-11-2010, 08:49 PM
1) I wouldn't trust running 87 octane, but you might be able to without any serious consequences.
2) Yes
3) Yes, you can upgrade the a3 ecu to kpro and run the a2. The only issue is that the reverse lock out selenoid on the six speed will not function.
4) It depends on the base map. If you have an na a3 or a2, then you should be able to run safely without tuning. You just won't get the full potential of your mods. It is almost a necessity to get tuned for some of the other base maps, especially the boosted ones.

ep3steez
04-20-2010, 07:46 PM
Just reflashed mine. So worth it! They ship the ECU/Immobilizer/Key back really fast too.

i heart trees
04-21-2010, 06:06 AM
I'm in SoCal (fairly close to Hawthorne), how long would the turnaround time be for this?

I don't have any other means of transportation and no friends who want to take me to work at 5am...

Any suggestions?

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
04-23-2010, 12:08 PM
Just reflashed mine. So worth it! They ship the ECU/Immobilizer/Key back really fast too.

I have to agree the turn around time is really fast and worth 300 bucks for the extra revs and makes the car feel a lot smoother

Chupacabray
04-23-2010, 12:58 PM
I'm in SoCal (fairly close to Hawthorne), how long would the turnaround time be for this?

I don't have any other means of transportation and no friends who want to take me to work at 5am...

Any suggestions?

I'm in the same boat as you, I'd love to jump on this but I can't afford to NOT have a car right now.

RHCP0801
04-23-2010, 06:05 PM
i have had the reflash for about a year now, i love it but im looking to upgrade to kpro now...turn around time for me in NY was 6 days

goldEp
04-26-2010, 11:57 PM
ok..so if i was reflash now...like today.. and i wanted to go kpro in the future..what is the upgrade price..?? and why do ppl say no hp gain but nice torque..wouldnt the over rev gain a little hp..?

goldEp
04-27-2010, 12:16 AM
ok did my home work....
if anybody is planing on later geting kpro dont buy this! you'll end up paing almost 1,100 for kpro.. just save for kpro...

4angrybadgers
04-27-2010, 06:49 AM
ok did my home work....
if anybody is planing on later geting kpro dont buy this! you'll end up paing almost 1,100 for kpro.. just save for kpro...

I double-checked Hondata's site, and you're right... It looks like the reflash-to-Kpro upgrade after 3-22-2010 is $800, up from $500. http://www.hondata.com/kpro.html That's insane. :mrolleyes:

goldEp
04-28-2010, 08:58 AM
yup.. im saving for kpro.. where is the cheapest place for kpro..

04bluepearl
05-15-2010, 06:41 PM
Well i went to the track today for the first time with the reflash. My best time with I/RH/E was 15.2 @ 90. Today i ran a 15.03 @ 93.75. I'm so mad at myself for not being able to break into the 14's, since i see people in the 14's with bolt-ons and no kpro. My best 60' was 2.335 so I know I'm leaving a lot of time on the line. Anybody have any tips for launching the heavy underpowered ep? lol.

Cheep3
05-15-2010, 08:36 PM
Wow, that's not quite the 1 sec. improvement in 0 -60 times that I have heard are possible, but at least it's something. Does it feel faster?? Anyone else have comparison times?

04bluepearl
05-15-2010, 08:46 PM
Wow, that's not quite the 1 sec. improvement in 0 -60 times that I have heard are possible, but at least it's something. Does it feel faster?? Anyone else have comparison times?

I'm hoping its mainly dude to my lack of racing experiance. Either that or all the reflash does is extend the redline. The car does "feel" quite a bit quicker. I got a little high way run in with a 5.0 mustang and stayed ahead of him the whole time. And gaining 3.75mph in the 1/4 is pretty neat. If I can learn the car's sweet spot and get my 60's down I can see 14's all day.

Passenger
05-15-2010, 08:56 PM
Just sent my ecu out today along w/ key and immobilizer. Cost me about $20 something for shipping cause of insurance, 2day delivery and a DCN but I can't wait to get it back. :word:
I didn't feel like saving up a thousand dollars right this second for KPro so I just grabbed the little money I had and tossed it to this. I'll worry about the extra $100 itll cost me to upgrade to KPro (compared to the older upgrade) later. Im not gonna sweat it.

Cheep3
05-15-2010, 09:16 PM
Just sent my ecu out today along w/ key and immobilizer. Cost me about $20 something for shipping cause of insurance, 2day delivery and a DCN but I can't wait to get it back. :word:
I didn't feel like saving up a thousand dollars right this second for KPro so I just grabbed the little money I had and tossed it to this. I'll worry about the extra $100 itll cost me to upgrade to KPro (compared to the older upgrade) later. Im not gonna sweat it.

Sweet! Keep us posted on your results and impressions after you get it going. I'm especially interested because I'm saving for it as well...

superstocksi
05-15-2010, 11:15 PM
Well i went to the track today for the first time with the reflash. My best time with I/RH/E was 15.2 @ 90. Today i ran a 15.03 @ 93.75. I'm so mad at myself for not being able to break into the 14's, since i see people in the 14's with bolt-ons and no kpro. My best 60' was 2.335 so I know I'm leaving a lot of time on the line. Anybody have any tips for launching the heavy underpowered ep? lol.

Two tenths of a second from just the reflash doesn't sound too bad to me.


Wow, that's not quite the 1 sec. improvement in 0 -60 times that I have heard are possible, but at least it's something. Does it feel faster?? Anyone else have comparison times?

Almost all of the improvement you would see in 0-60 times from the reflash will be from the fact that you don't have to shift to 3rd to reach 60. That's why they don't claim a second in the 1/4.

flipflopz
05-16-2010, 01:31 AM
anyone with an 05 ep have trouble with getting ECU reflashed? i sent mines in n they said it wasnt compatible with my ecu. something with throwing a bunch of cels. ended up getting kpro. but no money for a tune.. :/ ftl

Passenger
05-16-2010, 10:04 AM
Sweet! Keep us posted on your results and impressions after you get it going. I'm especially interested because I'm saving for it as well...

Will do definitely. I try not to be biased.. like some of those threads you'll see: Just installed a CAI and the car is running low 11's now lol.
Whenever I buy or send something out I constantly check the delivery confirmation like once an hour just to find out where it is and how long I have to wait lol. I'll let you guys know though.

tindrumstoo
05-16-2010, 10:21 AM
lovin all the info here, racelands are back ordered right now and this money is burning a hole in my pocket! i dont have easy access to a printer, so what should i be expecting when i place my order or whatever..

EP3SiBoi90
05-16-2010, 11:16 AM
Expect an email from the vendor if you bought it online like CRSX. They'll be sending you all the necessary paperwork for you to send in your ECU. If you happen to buy one from a local shop or something, be sure to check that they give you all the paperwork.

Email or local should give you the Reflash order form, instructions on how to ship it out, and the receipt upon purchase.

Passenger
05-16-2010, 09:11 PM
Expect an email from the vendor if you bought it online like CRSX. They'll be sending you all the necessary paperwork for you to send in your ECU. If you happen to buy one from a local shop or something, be sure to check that they give you all the paperwork.
Email or local should give you the Reflash order form, instructions on how to ship it out, and the receipt upon purchase.

I bought mine from Scotty B. @ Mainstream Performance (local). So if you guys decide to go to a performance shop in your area, make sure that you get these:
1) Invoice (for your own personal record of payment, just in case)
2) Hondata Checklist (it has boxes next to each engine that the reflash is applicable, if you're running the k20a3 check that box!)
3) There should be a Page 2 to the previous checklist, you just need to sign & date it.
4) Proof of purchase from the shop you got it at, and make sure he/she puts down to "Contact me @ so and so for Payment of Hondata Reflash" and a little lower it should tell your mods (mine was CAI / RH / E)
Mine came w/ no instructions, I just took the ECU out, took the immobilizer off (http://www.hondata.com/k20removeecu.html) and took my key off the chain. You mail those 3, and #2, 3 & 4 in to Hondata.

(not sure if all that is really necessary information but Im sure it'll save someone some time or hassle in someway or another.)

Passenger
05-18-2010, 07:18 PM
Just got it in the mail today (one day turn around)
I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow.

RHCP0801
05-18-2010, 07:39 PM
damn thats pretty good, when i did mine last year i sent it out on a monday and didnt get back until friday, same with kpro a few weeks ago...sent it out monday got it back thursday

Passenger
05-19-2010, 11:16 AM
Installed it a few hours ago and I've been on the road since playing around with it.
The fat white lump dyno (better known as the buttdyno) confirmed a few extra hp, pretty noticable but nothing insane lol. My tach is off (obviously) but maxing out the gear @ 8,000 & the powerband is smoother and longer :hay:

Pretty good mod for $300. Now I can't wait to get Kpro lol.

Blue03Si
05-19-2010, 11:31 AM
It sounds like everyone loves their ECU.... Damn I would love to do this, but I think a kpro better suits my upgrade path. Just can't afford it right now :mcry:

EP_Jon
05-19-2010, 12:05 PM
Hmm, seems like a cheap and cool mod to do for daily drivers.

Passenger
05-19-2010, 06:20 PM
It sounds like everyone loves their ECU.... Damn I would love to do this, but I think a kpro better suits my upgrade path. Just can't afford it right now :mcry:
Yeah I like it alot but after I get some more stuff done I'll definitely need and want to upgrade again.

Hmm, seems like a cheap and cool mod to do for daily drivers.
Yeah thats one reason why I got it cause it was so cheap. $300 for noticable power gains, more low end torque (somewhat), a raised rev limiter and a more balanced a/f ratio if you're rockin i/rh/e like me.. I don't see why not. Nice avatar by the way.

johnkimble
05-30-2010, 09:08 PM
If I'm swapping to k20a2, what do I need to send in? just ECU? since I'll later be getting the ECU programmed to the immobilizer by honda.

will reflash affect honda's ability to match the key to the ECU?

kind of not related to price reduction, but I didn't want to start a thread just for this.

RHCP0801
05-30-2010, 09:09 PM
all you need to send in is the ecu since your gonna need kpro, reflash will not work for engine swaps

johnkimble
05-30-2010, 09:35 PM
even if I'm using a prb ECU it wont work? but a prb without reflash will work fine? what's the difference?

swap comes with a prb so I was hoping I could send that off before I swap and get that ECU mated to the immobilizer by honda once the motor is in

Silvercard
05-30-2010, 09:50 PM
Installed it a few hours ago and I've been on the road since playing around with it.
The fat white lump dyno (better known as the buttdyno) confirmed a few extra hp, pretty noticable but nothing insane lol. My tach is off (obviously) but maxing out the gear @ 8,000 & the powerband is smoother and longer :hay:

Pretty good mod for $300. Now I can't wait to get Kpro lol.
Nice! Next thing on muy list for the ep3!

mattchoo1189
05-30-2010, 10:54 PM
anyone with an 05 ep have trouble with getting ECU reflashed? i sent mines in n they said it wasnt compatible with my ecu. something with throwing a bunch of cels. ended up getting kpro. but no money for a tune.. :/ ftl

wait.... so you can't get the reflash for 05 ep3s???!

Passenger
05-31-2010, 12:11 AM
wait.... so you can't get the reflash for 05 ep3s???!

Sounds ilke he didnt clear his CEL codes before he sent it in.

Cheep3
05-31-2010, 10:58 AM
Sounds ilke he didnt clear his CEL codes before he sent it in.

I hope that's what he did because I'm planning on sending my 05 ECU in fairly soon. Does anyone else know of any possible year specific problems?

mattchoo1189
05-31-2010, 03:13 PM
I hope that's what he did because I'm planning on sending my 05 ECU in fairly soon. Does anyone else know of any possible year specific problems?

I was looking at the Hondata website and for the reflash applications, it only says "2002-2004 civic si" .... so maybe they just can't do it to the 05?

WhiteComet
05-31-2010, 05:35 PM
I got an 05 and sent in my ECU information to Hondata today to see if they can reflash it. Will keep you guys updated on what they tell me tomrorow.

mattchoo1189
05-31-2010, 06:07 PM
I got an 05 and sent in my ECU information to Hondata today to see if they can reflash it. Will keep you guys updated on what they tell me tomrorow.

Good sh!t. Keep us updated!

WhiteComet
06-02-2010, 09:12 AM
So yeah, here's the part number for my ecu: 37820-PNF-A13

Apparently they can't flash that one. It's from a 2005 and they said something about it throwing some codes. Looks like Kpro is my only option :(

johnkimble
06-02-2010, 01:51 PM
even if I'm using a prb ECU it wont work? but a prb without reflash will work fine? what's the difference?

swap comes with a prb so I was hoping I could send that off before I swap and get that ECU mated to the immobilizer by honda once the motor is in

anyone know if a reflashed PRB will work in the EP w/k20a2? if it's already syncd?

Jmage
06-21-2010, 09:05 AM
Damn 295$ for a reflash... I got a AEM V2 installed and a race header laying around... Anyone know if this "sale" is gonna be there for long or did they just drop the price of reflash for good?

kai-wun
06-21-2010, 07:51 PM
Damn 295$ for a reflash... I got a AEM V2 installed and a race header laying around... Anyone know if this "sale" is gonna be there for long or did they just drop the price of reflash for good?

iv a feelin it's permanent ^_^

i wonder if skinny warm air intake, and midpipe will find a reflash helpful ...

04bluepearl
06-24-2010, 06:37 PM
Just an update, the reflash is badass. The midrange power/torque gain is very noticeable. On the highway at 65 in 5th gear, you put your foot down and just pass cars like its your job. Also the reflash DOES NOT negatively affect your gas mileage, I noticed no difference. On the highway if you feel like getting on it, just throw it in 3rd, bang through 4th and your going 100+ in a few seconds. IN A HONDA CIVIC lol.

since having the reflash the only car ive really "raced" was an rx-8 which I took by 2+ cars. I also took a 3.5 liter v6 maxima at the track by nearly half a second. As well an a 5.0 fox body on the track and a few on the street. After buying all the bolt ons and the kpro reflash for the ep3, the mod that has made the biggest difference has deff been the kpro reflash.

nor3phatch
06-27-2010, 05:33 AM
Just an update, the reflash is badass. The midrange power/torque gain is very noticeable. On the highway at 65 in 5th gear, you put your foot down and just pass cars like its your job. Also the reflash DOES NOT negatively affect your gas mileage, I noticed no difference. On the highway if you feel like getting on it, just throw it in 3rd, bang through 4th and your going 100+ in a few seconds. IN A HONDA CIVIC lol.

since having the reflash the only car ive really "raced" was an rx-8 which I took by 2+ cars. I also took a 3.5 liter v6 maxima at the track by nearly half a second. As well an a 5.0 fox body on the track and a few on the street. After buying all the bolt ons and the kpro reflash for the ep3, the mod that has made the biggest difference has deff been the kpro reflash.

Is your ep an '05 because I was told the reflash can only work with 02-04's. Word is that the '05 has minor differences than the '02-04's? Help shed some light on me.. thatnks

AUTiger
06-27-2010, 08:59 AM
there is no difference, it will work on an 05 just the same as 02-04

nor3phatch
06-27-2010, 10:57 PM
So yeah, here's the part number for my ecu: 37820-PNF-A13

Apparently they can't flash that one. It's from a 2005 and they said something about it throwing some codes. Looks like Kpro is my only option :(

so i got an 05 too. so does this mean us '05 owners cant partake in this 300$ steal?!? are only option is to save up for kpro?!? just my luck!! i just had to get the year reflash is not available for. fucc me!

WhiteComet
06-27-2010, 11:58 PM
there is no difference, it will work on an 05 just the same as 02-04

Not true. Like I said, if you compare at the actual ecu numbers, the 05s ARE different than the 04s. I have already called Hondata about this and confirmed this with them. 05 ecus will NOT work with the reflash!

If you really want the reflash and you have an 05, your only option is to get a 02-04 ECU (around $150), bring it to the dealer to resync it ($100) and send it in. The problem is at that point, you are already back to the Pre-discount REFLASH price...so you might as well get the KPRO.

Yes I know it sucks. I'm in the same boat as you :(

Cheep3
07-06-2010, 07:38 AM
So is this the final verdict for the 05 reflash?? No one has a reflashed 05? If so I'm SOL as well... :shrug:

RedSiBaron
07-06-2010, 09:24 AM
question to the gurus of the ecus...if i were to get my current stock 02 ecu and have it modded for kpro, would i still be able to use that kpro'd ecu with a k20a swap?

im thinking about getting this for my car...

xep3tuner
07-06-2010, 11:04 AM
on the hondata website says 2002-2004 Civic Si K20A3 Civic Si does this not include the 05 model?? anyone know

k20a3EP3
07-06-2010, 11:07 AM
Thank goodness i read this. I was about to get the reflash in my '05. Not having a reflash for the '05 is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard! I am totally bummed now as I do not want/need KPro. Come on Hondata. I thought you were better than this!

xep3tuner
07-06-2010, 11:31 AM
wow common :( seriously

AUTiger
07-06-2010, 12:49 PM
I would contact them first, there is no difference in 02-04 and 05 ecu's. It is probably just a miss print. I know there are 05's with a reflash

str8upballur
07-06-2010, 01:06 PM
has anyone done a before and after on lets say 30-70 or 0-100 speed? yes we've come up to the conclusion that 0-60 is mostly affected by eliminating the need to shift to 3rd gear but there is also a 12hp gain so im wondering how it would affect acceleration at other speeds. any info would be helpful because im now saving up for this as i am in the process of installing my rh. thankss

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
07-06-2010, 04:09 PM
the 05 ecus will not work with reflash my friend with an 05 ecu sent his in to hondata thru club rsx and club rsx said hondata cant reflash his ecu and his only option was k-pro.

Heitzke
07-06-2010, 07:21 PM
Are we sure that we're not talking about the 05's being different because the RSX ECU is different in the 05-06's? I'd be surprised if the EP3 ECU changed considering our drivetrain remained identical, when the RSX changed up a lot. Not saying one way or another as I have no experience with 05's.


question to the gurus of the ecus...if i were to get my current stock 02 ecu and have it modded for kpro, would i still be able to use that kpro'd ecu with a k20a swap?

im thinking about getting this for my car...

Yes, you can use it for whatever motor or mods you choose.

RedSiBaron
07-06-2010, 09:40 PM
thankyou sir!

k20a3EP3
07-07-2010, 06:49 AM
For your ECU to be reflash compatible...

ECU Part # must be PNF A01 through PNF A12.

At work right now and can't check my 05 ecu #. Anyone know if you can check online with your VIN or can someone check there?

k20a3EP3
07-07-2010, 09:54 AM
So I talked with a guy from Hondata. 05's can not be reflashed since we are PNF A13's.

How would one go about buying a new ECU and immobilizer? I was thinking that going this route though more costly, wouldn't cause me to be without a car for 3 days. (Trying to look on the bright side of things.)

Heitzke
07-07-2010, 10:19 AM
Bummer, sorry to hear that for you 05'ers. The reflash is a really good mod.

ep3colin
07-13-2010, 11:07 AM
i have been hearing from a few people that i can get my reflash done at a local shop if they have the correct equipent? i specifically heard one shop in general

is this possible for them to just reflash it there so i dont have to ship my ecu out?

or is this just a misunderstanding?

johnkimble
07-13-2010, 11:26 AM
So I talked with a guy from Hondata. 05's can not be reflashed since we are PNF A13's.

How would one go about buying a new ECU and immobilizer? I was thinking that going this route though more costly, wouldn't cause me to be without a car for 3 days. (Trying to look on the bright side of things.)

you could just buy a used EP3 (non 2005 model) ECU and have honda mate the new ECU to your immobilizer, then ship the newly mated ECU to hondata for reflashing


i have been hearing from a few people that i can get my reflash done at a local shop if they have the correct equipent? i specifically heard one shop in general

is this possible for them to just reflash it there so i dont have to ship my ecu out?

or is this just a misunderstanding?

no, vendors sell the reflash and facilitate it through hondata

johnkimble
07-13-2010, 11:29 AM
thankyou sir!

sans reverse lock out

k20a3EP3
07-13-2010, 12:05 PM
you could just buy a used EP3 (non 2005 model) ECU and have honda mate the new ECU to your immobilizer, then ship the newly mated ECU to hondata for reflashing



no, vendors sell the reflash and facilitate it through hondata

Might as well buy KPro after the costs involved with buying a new ECU and going to the dealer. I have $295 to spend not $1,000.

johnkimble
07-22-2010, 01:30 PM
your $295 isn't going to get you either

BeaterEP
08-25-2010, 10:28 AM
Nice that it droped BUT FUCK THIS BULLSHIT

Care to elaborate man?

maestro
08-25-2010, 10:37 AM
Looks like he has an 05 which unfortunately, is not compatible for the re-flash.

maestro
08-25-2010, 10:32 PM
I just ordered mine =)
Im excited to see/feel the results.

Mighty_Mouse_Ep
08-25-2010, 11:18 PM
anyone-k-pro worth it?
K-Pro is only worth it if you get it tuned. The stock map on k-pro sucks for an ep

Blue03Si
08-26-2010, 08:24 AM
K-Pro is only worth it if you get it tuned. The stock map on k-pro sucks for an ep

I thought the K-pro came with the same map as the refresh. But if you arn't going to fine tune it then why spend the extra dough.

Cheep3
08-27-2010, 02:31 AM
yea ecu-p13 or whatever, THE FUCKEN SHIT (my 05) IS NOT COMPATIBLE, might sell this SHIT for a DC-5.
i would have to buy a 02-04 ecu... get that SHIT mod to fit my car for about $100---------FUCK IT get K-PRO if you have the money

---MORE elaborate-tion----

FFFFFFFFFFF--UUU-----------UUU-----CCCCCCC------KKKK-----KKKK-------000000------55555555555
FFFFF---------UUU----------UUU----CCCC------------KKKK----KKKK------00--------00----555
FFFFF---------UUU---------UUU----CCCC-------------KKKKKKKK--------00-----------00---5555
FFFFFFFFF-----UUU--------UUU----CCC---------------KKKKKKK--------00-------------00---5555555
FFFFF----------UUU-------UUU-----CCCC-------------KKKK---KKKK----00-----------00---------5555
FFFFF-----------UUU-----UUU------CCCCCC----------KKKK----KKKK-----00-------00------------555
FFFFF-------------UU-U-UU---------CCCCCCCCC-----KKKK-----KKKK------000000-------55555555

aaaa, NOW IM HAPPY:leghump:

X 2!! And to think I was excited to get an '05 over an earlier year... Sucks balls bra!

maestro
09-03-2010, 09:16 AM
Installed my reflash yesterday but haven't had a chance to really test it out yet. I will take it one some proper roads today.

Blue03Si
09-03-2010, 09:21 AM
Installed my reflash yesterday but haven't had a chance to really test it out yet. I will take it one some proper roads today.

Lets get some feedback. I keep flip-flopping on if I should do this or just save for a kpro...

Andrew
09-03-2010, 10:13 AM
Lets get some feedback. I keep flip-flopping on if I should do this or just save for a kpro...

you know you really want kpro

Blue03Si
09-03-2010, 11:01 AM
you know you really want kpro

Yeah, I know I do to. lol

jed_averill
09-03-2010, 11:39 AM
Save up for Kpro. It does more wonder lol Though I don't have it, lots of people here have it. BTW they changed the upgrade from Reflash to Kpro from $500 to $800. At least that's what I saw on their site.

sifrk32
09-03-2010, 11:47 AM
Thinking about the Reflash but im terrified my car will run lean with my soon to be engine upgrades...
my list...sr intake, s2 header, s2 fuel rail, maybe eventually s2 73mm throttle.

any suggestions? not very much of a good tuner type of guy, but i love skunk2 products. reflash good? no? maybe? stfu eric?

T_Virus
09-03-2010, 12:20 PM
Thinking about the Reflash but im terrified my car will run lean with my soon to be engine upgrades...
my list...sr intake, s2 header, s2 fuel rail, maybe eventually s2 73mm throttle.

any suggestions? not very much of a good tuner type of guy, but i love skunk2 products. reflash good? no? maybe? stfu eric?

You should really go for K-pro to optimize your bolt ons...

The way how I see it, if your running a race header with other bolt ons, then K-Pro would be a wise choice. If only bolt ons with a shorty header then it would be better to go for reflash.

sifrk32
09-03-2010, 12:45 PM
its the skunk2 k-series pro intake manifold, it says its good for mostly street use but with more power when needed, i thought it'll be suitable. im not looking to take my car to the track, its a dd, but i would like feel power when i need it

thats why i was thinking reflash would be suitable enough, just to make the most out of what i have for the kind of power im looking for.

maestro
09-04-2010, 10:35 AM
So after not having my car for about 5 days, driving around with the reflash was hard to notice at first. It was not like stepping into a different car where you can feel it right away. But after having played around with it, you CAN feel that it is smoother in the power delivery. I want to say the torque is better, but it could be psychological. If you had to EP's side by side and could drive both, I'm sure you could notice it right away, but with these little step mods, its harder to notice any changes. The extra rev's are definately great though =)

Mods: CAI, Test pipe, Apexi N1 mid+exhaust