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barcelon
03-25-2010, 01:17 AM
I see no one has posted a thread since 2008 but here goes.

I finally gave up on the turbos and superchargers since they are sooo expensive. I lost all hope in making any horsepower upgrades until I started reading up on nitrous. I researched and found out that not only is it a very cheap option (Prices ranging from 600 to 1000 bucks) it is also reliable contrary to belief. I’ve read its possibly more reliable then turbos and supercharger due to the fact that the engine is not constantly under boost. It’s only using the extra horsepower when you need it. Of course properly installed and if you don’t use a crazy high shot. Read the best range is a 50 - 75 shot on a stock EP. If all this is correct im surprised more people aren’t juicing up their cars. Got this by googling info on it and reading some old threads on this site for about 2 hours. It wasn't extensive research so please correct me if I’m wrong.

All that said im actually here to ask questions since im interested in a 50 shot nitrous set up. First one is which nitrous kit is best for a completely stock EP? What brand is best in quality? How much is it to fill up a 10 pound nitrous tank? Has anyone encountered any problems running a nitrous system?

talonXracer
03-25-2010, 05:30 AM
Personally I would not use Nitrous without Kpro to properly tune for it.

And yes nitrous does produce additional WHP, but it does indeed cause added wear and tear, that fact can not be disputed. (any additional WHP regardless of the source causes added wear and tear). The simple basic kit's are not enough to have a long lasting and safe setup.

I have seen far more engines come thru the shop due to nitrous mishaps than ANY OTHER power adder.

barcelon
03-25-2010, 08:14 AM
Personally I would not use Nitrous without Kpro to properly tune for it.

And yes nitrous does produce additional WHP, but it does indeed cause added wear and tear, that fact can not be disputed. (any additional WHP regardless of the source causes added wear and tear). The simple basic kit's are not enough to have a long lasting and safe setup.

I have seen far more engines come thru the shop due to nitrous mishaps than ANY OTHER power adder.

I wasnt saying it doesnt cause wear and tear i was just saying i've read it causes less wear and tear. Damn it sucks to hear that i had high hopes for nitrous. I wonder if the people going through your shop had their systems properly installed. Were they using it right? Do you remember how much they were spraying? I heard if you spray something small like a 50 shot you are pretty safe.

I keep hearing about using kpro with it. In the NOS sight FAQ section they say you dont need anything. Guess its time to do more research.

Lucid Moments
03-25-2010, 08:30 AM
Here is where I tend to disagree with Doug (talonXracer) a little bit. He is certainly correct that K-pro is the ideal way to do it. I don't think anyone will argue that. But Doug is a perfectionist and if he can't do it the ideal way then he thinks it is not worth doing. That is where I disagree. I think you can have an acceptably safe setup without it.

That being said I have never used Nitrous Oxide. Anything I add is purely theoretical so take it with a grain of salt.

barcelon
03-25-2010, 08:42 AM
Here is where I tend to disagree with Doug (talonXracer) a little bit. He is certainly correct that K-pro is the ideal way to do it. I don't think anyone will argue that. But Doug is a perfectionist and if he can't do it the ideal way then he thinks it is not worth doing. That is where I disagree. I think you can have an acceptably safe setup without it.

That being said I have never used Nitrous Oxide. Anything I add is purely theoretical so take it with a grain of salt.

Ha ha im also kind of a perfectionist myself but thats good to hear. I hope i get more positive feed back. All i want is a safe reliable set up that'll last me at least for a couple of years. Cant beat 700 bucks compared to the 3 grand for a turbo or supercharger. I keep hearing horror stories from people who have their cars boosted. I really cant afford blowing my engine up.

Ba82Ep3
03-25-2010, 09:04 AM
KPro (or any engine management) IS the safest way to run any power adder. It CAN be done safely without it though. It must be said that KPro can be just as troublesome as an unmanaged power adder. If the person that 'tunes' your map for KPro doesnt know what hes doing, your engine will grenade just the same as if you were running a 200 shot w/o fuel system preparation and no engine management. If you find a capable tuner, a managed setup (KPro) will exceed the included 'little black boxs' capabilities by far.

For you i would start with a wet kit and stay in the 50-60 shot region. Make sure you change your plugs, and be sensible with nitrous usage. IMO, youll get tired of filling the bottle. Locally its 40$+ to fill a 10lb bottle. Youll need a refill on a 10lb bottle at that shot level nearly 8-10 sprays. Depends on how anal you are about bottle pressure and nitrous line saturation. Engine wear and tear? Going faster always wears things out proportionately. Its the nature of the addiction...

With that said, running an out of box 50 shot of squeeze could be safe. Ive used a 75+ shot on older Hondas, back when all we could really do was wire in the 'magic box' and install larger injectors. The only casualty was my clutch. :tehe:

barcelon
03-25-2010, 09:35 AM
Alright looks like im gonna have to do extensive research on Kpro never really messed with ecus... Is it possible to map kpro yourself or you need some type of special equipment?

Yeah i know abusing it will rise the risk of damage. I know when i first get it ill go through my first bottle quick. I REALLY baby my ep so im confident i wont abuse it like that... For some reason as i do more research on nitrous im actually trusting it more than boosting. I hate the fact that its kind of a gamble with speed shops. I think i have someone who knows of a good professional one. Anyways the more info i get the better hope to hear more feedback

kenscivic
03-25-2010, 10:26 AM
I see no one has posted a thread since 2008 but here goes.

I finally gave up on the turbos and superchargers since they are sooo expensive. I lost all hope in making any horsepower upgrades until I started reading up on nitrous. I researched and found out that not only is it a very cheap option (Prices ranging from 600 to 1000 bucks) it is also reliable contrary to belief. I’ve read its possibly more reliable then turbos and supercharger due to the fact that the engine is not constantly under boost. It’s only using the extra horsepower when you need it. Of course properly installed and if you don’t use a crazy high shot. Read the best range is a 50 - 75 shot on a stock EP. If all this is correct im surprised more people aren’t juicing up their cars. Got this by googling info on it and reading some old threads on this site for about 2 hours. It wasn't extensive research so please correct me if I’m wrong.

All that said im actually here to ask questions since im interested in a 50 shot nitrous set up. First one is which nitrous kit is best for a completely stock EP? What brand is best in quality? How much is it to fill up a 10 pound nitrous tank? Has anyone encountered any problems running a nitrous system?

Well you are right on the money. If you use it correctly nitrous is a very safe power adder. I ran a 150 shot for about 4 months on my old mullet car and a 250 shot at the drag strip a few times. I had some pieces and customized my kit but I still had about 700$ in my kit not including the mallory box I bought. My old car is still spraying a 150 shot and driving around town these days. It costed me around 25 bucks to fill it up.. one place charged 20$ but constantly ran out and sometimes did not fill up the bottle completely.

With a 50 shot on a 4 banger I would get 1 step colder plugs, a basic WET kit, wideband a/f sensor, and a window switch. I don't think you will have issues with your ignition if you run 92 or 93 octane. Now to make it completely safe of course get some sort of device that you can adjust ignition / fuel and get it tuned for nitrous. Me and my friends did it the redneck way and just pulled plugs out and watched the wideband gauge.

Spray and have fun, it def. scares you the first time lol.

barcelon
03-25-2010, 01:47 PM
Well you are right on the money. If you use it correctly nitrous is a very safe power adder. I ran a 150 shot for about 4 months on my old mullet car and a 250 shot at the drag strip a few times. I had some pieces and customized my kit but I still had about 700$ in my kit not including the mallory box I bought. My old car is still spraying a 150 shot and driving around town these days. It costed me around 25 bucks to fill it up.. one place charged 20$ but constantly ran out and sometimes did not fill up the bottle completely.

With a 50 shot on a 4 banger I would get 1 step colder plugs, a basic WET kit, wideband a/f sensor, and a window switch. I don't think you will have issues with your ignition if you run 92 or 93 octane. Now to make it completely safe of course get some sort of device that you can adjust ignition / fuel and get it tuned for nitrous. Me and my friends did it the redneck way and just pulled plugs out and watched the wideband gauge.

Spray and have fun, it def. scares you the first time lol.

Lol the "redneck way" thats funny ... Cool im noting all the stuff you said i should get down.. Now question for you since you seem to have experience with nitrous how does it work. When do you press the button to spray?? Is it at a certain gear/RPM range? Dont know anyone with nitrous. Do you change gears while spraying when close to the redline?

kenscivic
03-25-2010, 03:35 PM
Lol the "redneck way" thats funny ... Cool im noting all the stuff you said i should get down.. Now question for you since you seem to have experience with nitrous how does it work. When do you press the button to spray?? Is it at a certain gear/RPM range? Dont know anyone with nitrous. Do you change gears while spraying when close to the redline?

You CAN rig it up like the fast and furious garbage but a window switch is where you set the rpm to where it starts spraying.. I.E: my car was set at 3500 rpms so from 3500 - 6800 (my redline) it sprayed. Shift normally like you were racing... It sprays all the time with the bottle open and everything on and the system armed. Using a button like in the ricer movies is VERY HARD to hold onto. I drove my friends foxbody where he just rigged his kit up with a button and it was horrible lol.

a bottle warmer is also nice to have. Or a torch.. Nitrous is non flammable and a torch heats it up real quick! Or my style was to put it in a bathtub with hot water lol (redneck again I know)..

Whatever you have seen on tv shows/movies after nitrous is mostly wrong. You will not blow any welds off your intake manifold lol.

*edit*

I also think the kits these days come with a WOT switch. In that case whenever you go wot it sprays.

barcelon
03-25-2010, 04:12 PM
You CAN rig it up like the fast and furious garbage but a window switch is where you set the rpm to where it starts spraying.. I.E: my car was set at 3500 rpms so from 3500 - 6800 (my redline) it sprayed. Shift normally like you were racing... It sprays all the time with the bottle open and everything on and the system armed. Using a button like in the ricer movies is VERY HARD to hold onto. I drove my friends foxbody where he just rigged his kit up with a button and it was horrible lol.

a bottle warmer is also nice to have. Or a torch.. Nitrous is non flammable and a torch heats it up real quick! Or my style was to put it in a bathtub with hot water lol (redneck again I know)..

Whatever you have seen on tv shows/movies after nitrous is mostly wrong. You will not blow any welds off your intake manifold lol.

*edit*

I also think the kits these days come with a WOT switch. In that case whenever you go wot it sprays.

Damn thats even better i was actually going by what i've seen in the movies LOL.. Yes i know its sad thats how much of a newbie i am when it comes to nitrous. Ok im assuming you are talking about a wet system for the window switch right? NICE so its basically like having it turboed out. With a window switch you just turn it off and it runs stock? Im picturing something like that movie "cobra" with sylvester stallone when he turns that nitrous switch on lol.

dkid15
03-25-2010, 06:20 PM
Run a 60 shot wet kit from dynotune. If you blow your a3 whats the worst its gonna cost you? 400 for a new a3 or 600-1000 to upgrade to a k24? Go for it.

barcelon
03-25-2010, 06:37 PM
Run a 60 shot wet kit from dynotune. If you blow your a3 whats the worst its gonna cost you? 400 for a new a3 or 600-1000 to upgrade to a k24? Go for it.

Thats the thing i would like to avoid all that BUT like you said the worst case scenerio isnt all that bad. K20a3s are that cheap?? wow

barcelon
03-25-2010, 11:39 PM
Sooooooo the research continues... This installation doesnt look complicated at all. With a 50 shot its almost plug and play. Check out this video i found for an installation on a camaro. I might actually install myself with instructions and alot of research of course.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4795881669713449827#

Im wondering what i would run on a 1/4 mile with a 50 shot. im gonna have to look around for 1/4 mile time threads. Im estimating low 15s possibly very high 14s. You guys think those #s are close?

barcelon
03-26-2010, 11:51 AM
Alright so its even better than i thought looked around for 1/4 mile times on a 50 shot spray. The average i saw was always in the high 14s only saw 1 or 2 with 15 flat or 15.2 .. Thats pretty freakin good for only spending 1000 bucks give or take 200 bucks if you install it yourself. With high 14 times ill definatly be able to beat stock si coupes type s rsx's and even the new gti's. Probably be able to keep up or beat heavy V6's.... My dream would be to beat a god damn cocky SOB in a muscle car lol. For that i would need way more work but i'll be happy with high 14s.

dkid15
03-27-2010, 11:10 AM
Runa 60 shot with boltons, youll run low 14's all day if your can drive and most importantly if your clutch can hold it lol

kenscivic
03-28-2010, 09:08 AM
Alright so its even better than i thought looked around for 1/4 mile times on a 50 shot spray. The average i saw was always in the high 14s only saw 1 or 2 with 15 flat or 15.2 .. Thats pretty freakin good for only spending 1000 bucks give or take 200 bucks if you install it yourself. With high 14 times ill definatly be able to beat stock si coupes type s rsx's and even the new gti's. Probably be able to keep up or beat heavy V6's.... My dream would be to beat a god damn cocky SOB in a muscle car lol. For that i would need way more work but i'll be happy with high 14s.

A nitrous kit probably won't get you up with too many muscle cars.. Maybe some mod motor mustangs (99-04ish). You will be able to take down the mod motor 96-98 gts with ease..... You have to think stock 350 f bodys run low low low 14s or high 13s stock..

About the clutch he brings up a good point you are jumping your whp from around 120 to 160ish.. the stock clutch should hold up fine for a while though... What mods do you have right now? If you have i/rh/e you should be low/mid 14s .. Get the kit and some really sticky tires to throw on some steelies.. It should be a fun car man.

barcelon
03-28-2010, 01:51 PM
A nitrous kit probably won't get you up with too many muscle cars.. Maybe some mod motor mustangs (99-04ish). You will be able to take down the mod motor 96-98 gts with ease..... You have to think stock 350 f bodys run low low low 14s or high 13s stock..

About the clutch he brings up a good point you are jumping your whp from around 120 to 160ish.. the stock clutch should hold up fine for a while though... What mods do you have right now? If you have i/rh/e you should be low/mid 14s .. Get the kit and some really sticky tires to throw on some steelies.. It should be a fun car man.

Low to Mid 14s thats actually awesome for a thousand dollar job. Right now performance wise its completely stock except for the cosmetics. If i do get the nitrous ill get i/h/e. Still reading up on it and asking people about a good speed shop in jersey. If not im gonna do the installation myself doesnt look to complicated. Still debating if i should get anything ECU wise. They have me convinced i dont need any tuning or Kpro but im scared lol... As for the clutch ill run it stock until it starts acting up.

kenscivic
04-02-2010, 08:34 AM
Low to Mid 14s thats actually awesome for a thousand dollar job. Right now performance wise its completely stock except for the cosmetics. If i do get the nitrous ill get i/h/e. Still reading up on it and asking people about a good speed shop in jersey. If not im gonna do the installation myself doesnt look to complicated. Still debating if i should get anything ECU wise. They have me convinced i dont need any tuning or Kpro but im scared lol... As for the clutch ill run it stock until it starts acting up.

Of course some sort of tuning would help performance a little bit but for such a small shot with a wet kit it is fine.

Deadphishy
04-02-2010, 09:25 AM
Should be fine with a 50-75 wet shot. Just watch the clutch. What will get the clutch is the sudden burst of power. Once it breaks free then it burns up.

I've herd Dyno Tune makes a decent kit for dirt cheap.

kenscivic
04-02-2010, 09:43 AM
Should be fine with a 50-75 wet shot. Just watch the clutch. What will get the clutch is the sudden burst of power. Once it breaks free then it burns up.

I've herd Dyno Tune makes a decent kit for dirt cheap.

They make awesome kits!! I have a friend that just has the base kit w/ wot switch that has rocked it for about a year now with no issues.

yanniel05
04-14-2010, 09:34 AM
Alright looks like im gonna have to do extensive research on Kpro never really messed with ecus... Is it possible to map kpro yourself or you need some type of special equipment?

Yeah i know abusing it will rise the risk of damage. I know when i first get it ill go through my first bottle quick. I REALLY baby my ep so im confident i wont abuse it like that... For some reason as i do more research on nitrous im actually trusting it more than boosting. I hate the fact that its kind of a gamble with speed shops. I think i have someone who knows of a good professional one. Anyways the more info i get the better hope to hear more feedback

read me thread here on the nitrous, u dont have to spend 8.50 on k-pro to boost the ep, use a windown switch from MSD and ur done, by the way 65 shot is the best with a wet kit only, plz dont use any dry kit for anything over a 35 shot... and u can de 75 is you have a bottle warmer SAFE, 100 shot and your pushing your factorey fuel pump to the max..

yanniel05
04-14-2010, 09:43 AM
damn i should had done a DIY for you guys here, i used the nitrous NOS wet kit and the trigger switch i had it in the throttle body bracket that holds the throttle/gas pedal wire and cruise control wire came out so nice... inst is not har it took me about one night from 6.pm to 10pm but i took it slow because i was working on a shop and i started after my shift was done at the end of the day...

mp_02si
05-06-2010, 07:59 AM
read me thread here on the nitrous, u dont have to spend 8.50 on k-pro to boost the ep, use a windown switch from MSD and ur done, by the way 65 shot is the best with a wet kit only, plz dont use any dry kit for anything over a 35 shot... and u can de 75 is you have a bottle warmer SAFE, 100 shot and your pushing your factorey fuel pump to the max..

Im a noob when it comes to nitrous as well and i was wondering why is the dry nitrous not recommended? I realize this has not been bumped in like a month but just wondering......

never mind found my answer, i pulled a noob on this post all the way thru.

dkid15
05-06-2010, 10:31 PM
Ive decided to run a 100 shot on my k24 this season. Ill let you guys know ho it goes. Not gonna be until july most likely lol but still, hoping to dyno close to 400whp and trap 120mph.

mp_02si
05-07-2010, 04:57 AM
Ive decided to run a 100 shot on my k24 this season. Ill let you guys know ho it goes. Not gonna be until july most likely lol but still, hoping to dyno close to 400whp and trap 120mph.

Holy crap, Im just looking for a low 14 second car personally. Let us know how the beast turns out.

Jrw
06-29-2010, 10:32 AM
ive been thinking about this also let me know how it turns out i have kpro comp 6 puck clutch 440 inject k20/k24 (love the 5th gear pull) i have a revhard kit in my garage i was thinking about putting on and getting tuned but i think i would rather run n20. am i an idiot? feel free to comment. sorry for the thread jack buddy!