how to make the ep faster?

[bluebullitt2003]

so a friend of mine just bought a 400hp motor for 2500 bucks for his pile of shit 65 mustang. I have about 3 grand i want to put into my stock ep. do you guys have any suggestions on what i can do with that amount of money? I want to be able to keep up with car if not beat it. i have about 97,000 miles on my car. any help/advice would be great.

[vicx52o]

swap or invest in boost...


or you can do both

[4lugSLUG]

sell the car buy a beater and get a bike. you want speed thats where its at. or you can do a budget build with a swap and some booooost. imho don't waste the money. you gotta remember that 400hp engine has 4 more cylinders than anything you'll swap in the ep. do suspension mods and run circles around him.

[jgn6848]

if you can work on your car you can swap a tsx k24a2 for around 2500 bucks.... you will be suprised what you find on craigslist

[jed_averill]

swap or invest in boost...


or you can do both

Amen

[bluebullitt2003]

sweet. i looked at the specs of the k24a2. seems pretty impressive. looks like it will be faster than a type-s?

[mitchep3typer]

so a friend of mine just bought a 400hp motor for 2500 bucks for his pile of shit 65 mustang. I have about 3 grand i want to put into my stock ep. do you guys have any suggestions on what i can do with that amount of money? I want to be able to keep up with car if not beat it. i have about 97,000 miles on my car. any help/advice would be great.

Sell your car, buy my ep3 than adjust boost by gear accordingly :) your friend wont be able to see your car after about 6 seconds.......

[jeenyusss]

i think you should just strap on a turbo kit and get her tunned, you can put down mid 200 to the wheels... a little more then 3 grand though

[mitchep3typer]

i think you should just strap on a turbo kit and get her tuned, you can put down mid 200 to the wheels... a little more then 3 grand though

Correct, I personally believe if your going to boost any Honda you need right about 5,000.00 minimum to do it the right and reliable way.

[carrera10468]

k20a= $10,000 + with parts and labor.
k20a2,k20z= $6000 to $8000 parts and labor
k24a2= $6000 to $8000 + parts and labor
k20a3 boost = $5000 + with a nice setup.....

now,if i was u... i take the 3000 and your ep and get me an evo MR or a wrx sti 2005,2006....
why, because i being there and i know the headache u going to run too with a swap or if u boost.....

[jeenyusss]

yeah thats probally what mine costs me maybe a little more all together

revhard /kpro/walbro/3inch exhaust/tune etc.

on stock a3 300whp

[ImportCustomx]

k20a= $10,000 + with parts and labor.
k20a2,k20z= $6000 to $8000 parts and labor
k24a2= $6000 to $8000 + parts and labor
k20a3 boost = $5000 + with a nice setup.....

now,if i was u... i take the 3000 and your ep and get me an evo MR or a wrx sti 2005,2006....
why, because i being there and i know the headache u going to run too with a swap or if u boost.....

LAME SUGGESTION...go be like everyone else and get an sti... boooo that choice. thats everyones answer..get an evo or sti..or even a wrx... god dammit i sick of hearing about subaru's and awd turbo bullshit..guess what..it wont beat that mustang.



take some time, and research. you can definetly build a strong motor.

gotta keep in mind, all those ford guys can go fast nice and straight with the v8's..just get over it. tough shit. his car will be faster until you can spend more. Instead invest in mild upgrades. tuniing, head work etc. then get some suspension, brakes, tires. kick his ass in autocross.

Go buy the new lexus super car..3 grand would definetly be a nice down payment on a 325,000 car.

[PatrickJamesYu]

k24 swap
boooost
interior delete, because it looks badass :D

[username011]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AMIoQUCEvY

[Heitzke]

The correct equation here is -1 (Ep3) + 1 (LS1) = fast

[mitchep3typer]

The correct equation here is -1 (Ep3) + 1 (LS1) = fast

lol, like I said keep your car stock sell it, bring me cash ;)

[ImportCustomx]

just want to poitn out how true that video is..Jeremy Clarkson is awesome.

to expensive, to much a pain int he ass to service etc

[ttttrigg3r]

that video makes me think the evo is the greatest car in the world.

[carrera10468]

LAME SUGGESTION...go be like everyone else and get an sti... boooo that choice. thats everyones answer..get an evo or sti..or even a wrx... god dammit i sick of hearing about subaru's and awd turbo bullshit..guess what..it wont beat that mustang.



take some time, and research. you can definetly build a strong motor.

gotta keep in mind, all those ford guys can go fast nice and straight with the v8's..just get over it. tough shit. his car will be faster until you can spend more. Instead invest in mild upgrades. tuniing, head work etc. then get some suspension, brakes, tires. kick his ass in autocross.

Go buy the new lexus super car..3 grand would definetly be a nice down payment on a 325,000 car.

listen, buddy it is not only that the engine in the ep3 suck !!!!!! the suspension system too, even spoon give up, trying to figure out a good suspension system for the ep3/dc5....spoon a multi million dollar company give up....i have a K20A swap on my ep3 and buddy clud RSD i have spend over 20g's on my ep3 and Guess what ? a stock integra Type R will kick the shit out of my ep3 in autocross......forget about american cars they are design for 2 thing, to waste fuel and help with global warming..... Dont get me wrong i love my ep3,but let's be realistic u will get more bang for your buck with an evo mr, now if u think i am lying get a test drive and about being different , f***k that shit is about being fast, that the point.......

[jeenyusss]

i guess i could have bought a sti or evo with the money i spent on the ep, but i like tinkering with it and working on it. i know i couldnt afford any parts for a sti or evo

[Hasbro]

I had an '06 WRX and it sat in the garage. I preferred the EP.

[ImportCustomx]

ehhh..did you watch the entire thing? its still way overpriced then a civic...its double the price

thank god someone else thats gets it.. (Hasboro)

[Kerby]

loose weight

[REBUILT CIVIC]

k24 is the way to go. if u go on k20a.org and look around u can find one for dirt cheap then save up some more money for a turbo. ur car will be flying

also Subaru are shit expensive to maintain cuz they go threw tires like crazy and after about 80,000 miles the transmission gos

[Kerby]

subaru's weakest link is the tranny.

[Hasbro]

loose weight

+1
The first 10 hp (200 lbs.) or so are free and handling is improved.

[showoff3civic]

i think you should just strap on a turbo kit and get her tunned, you can put down mid 200 to the wheels... a little more then 3 grand though

^ this man is smart or keep th emoney in the bank for a deposit on something with a turbo

[showoff3civic]

subaru's weakest link is the tranny.

nope subie trannys are bullet proof the 2.5 liter STi/WRX piston rings are weak. If you do anything more then a stage II upgrade it very well could be a very big problem. Now Evo's on the other hand are the ones with the Tranny issues.

[rjmq06]

LAME SUGGESTION...go be like everyone else and get an sti... boooo that choice. thats everyones answer..get an evo or sti..or even a wrx... god dammit i sick of hearing about subaru's and awd turbo bullshit..guess what..it wont beat that mustang.



take some time, and research. you can definetly build a strong motor.

gotta keep in mind, all those ford guys can go fast nice and straight with the v8's..just get over it. tough shit. his car will be faster until you can spend more. Instead invest in mild upgrades. tuniing, head work etc. then get some suspension, brakes, tires. kick his ass in autocross.

Go buy the new lexus super car..3 grand would definetly be a nice down payment on a 325,000 car.

i agree with ya those american cars cant even turn in a simple curve as for the sti and evo yeah those are really fast but its more worth it feels good to see your car evolve just like seeing a baby crawl first before they can walk and run

[rjmq06]

actually k series weakness is tranny but k series is easier to build and the best engine out there in the market they even put it in mr2 spyder
and beat the crap out of any car in the track even the subaru and evo cant catch up
i believe its in the youtube but i cant find the link but its a japanese race

and dont get me wrong evo and sti are just faster
i just like my ep3 more than any car
and IMO honda and those 4wd cars are in totally different class

[rjmq06]

looool

[2K3 EP3]

greddy evo 2 , aem cold air intake, race headers. being a good driver = experience. holla! get ur shine on!

[Heitzke]

and again, the fanboi is strong in this thread. I should walk away...

[rjmq06]

and again, the fanboi is strong in this thread. I should walk away...

looolz,
ooh thats right your in a EP3 forum called EPHATCH

[codyep3]

although this is a honda forum, people are so dumb. Honda's are econoboxes. They are not fast, compared to other cars out there. They are FWD and don't have teh vtakkk. I love my honda, but it is no way a sports car. This civic will get me from one point to another, untill i move onto something actually "fast"

[codyep3]

i agree with ya those american cars cant even turn in a simple curve as for the sti and evo yeah those are really fast but its more worth it feels good to see your car evolve just like seeing a baby crawl first before they can walk and run

you are obviously very very stupid.

[MBaG]

take out the back seats, spare, jack/tools. easiest thing to do, which is also free.

[willy_akino]

actually k series weakness is tranny but k series is easier to build and the best engine out there in the market they even put it in mr2 spyder
and beat the crap out of any car in the track even the subaru and evo cant catch up
i believe its in the youtube but i cant find the link but its a japanese race

and dont get me wrong evo and sti are just faster
i just like my ep3 more than any car
and IMO honda and those 4wd cars are in totally different class

ever seen a lotus with a k20? lotus owners r ditching the crappy celica motor

[EP3Casas]

cheap
CAI, Exhaust, Race Header kpro gutted interior

respectable
vtec killer CAI exhaust race header kpro max bore throttle body

the good shit
boosted k24

im currently on the first setup i listed and i have no complaints. its cheap and reliable. i ran a 15.2 so thats quite well in my book.

[rjmq06]

although this is a honda forum, people are so dumb. Honda's are econoboxes. They are not fast, compared to other cars out there. They are FWD and don't have teh vtakkk. I love my honda, but it is no way a sports car. This civic will get me from one point to another, untill i move onto something actually "fast"

oookk....
loolz what about the mugen civic RR are they still consider a econoboxes???
and they have honda nsx and s2000

[rjmq06]

looolz you guys can call me fanboy but i used to have an evo and jump to honda jump due to the other lame drivers lolz

[BlownSi05]

Sell the EP and buy a V8 car...lol:mbiggrin: j/k

There are a few ways to make the EP faster, but it all depends on what you consider fast. Fast in a straight line is totally different then fast around a road course, so you have to decide what you want out of the car. The other thing to remember, which might have already been said, is that there are three words you need to remember:

Fast, Reliable, and Cheap. You can only have two and never all three at the same time. Keep that in mind when you decide how to proceed. The EP with a JRSC is fairly cheap and is reliable with a good tune, but is not fast. It is a very fun car though for a DD and is quick and peppy for the twisties.

[BlownSi05]

i agree with ya those american cars cant even turn in a simple curve as for the sti and evo yeah those are really fast but its more worth it feels good to see your car evolve just like seeing a baby crawl first before they can walk and run

If I took you for a ride in my Shelby you would change your outlook on that comment very quickly.:mbiggrin:

[Heitzke]

looolz,
ooh thats right your in a EP3 forum called EPHATCH

No really? I've been around the block a time or two.


If I took you for a ride in my Shelby you would change your outlook on that comment very quickly.:mbiggrin:

+1 there. Those were the kinds of statements I was attacking with my fanboi post. Get real guys. American cars can't turn? How are these stereotypes still perpetuating themselves?

[lldiesel386ll]

ever seen a lotus with a k20? lotus owners r ditching the crappy celica motor

for quite the pretty penny:tehe: that celica engine does plenty fine in a car that weighs nothing :thumbu:

there are also projects involving putting in another the 3.5l camry v6 engine into that bay...:mbiggrin:

but back to the op's topic at hand, you can push the car over a cliff--that would make it accelerate quite quickly :mtongue: (haha yugo jokes)

as people have mentioned previously, our car isnt a sports car, and it will take a good amount of money to make it fast :thumbu:

[showoff3civic]

looolz you guys can call me fanboy but i used to have an evo and jump to honda jump due to the other lame drivers lolz

you made a mistake if you want to make a fast car unless you want to spend 40+ K on the civic.... I have done it 230 whp all motor k20 and the Evo is just as fast on the track as the ep3. Hondas are great but they just lack performance.... you talk about the nsx ---- late 90's are still 30K and S2000 are ok unless you live where there is snow. You also mentioned the Mugen RR which ran the same time on tsukuba as the Evo X and its 40-50k more.......

[4lugSLUG]

It seems everyone is making recommendations on making the ep fast. If you don't plan on keeping the car don't waste the money. Someone in here said it, "Hondas are econoboxes." Sure there are things to do to open it up alittle bit but in the end it'll still just be a Civic. Save your money and invest in something that is worth a build unless your deadset on building up the ep. Sure you can go the evo or sti route but then not only do you have a more expensive car and more expensive parts but you have more expensive maintenance costs. With the right amount of money this car can be mean but its gonna take time and money. Plus if you don't know what your doing you have labor costs and then when shyt goes wrong, replacing parts and fixing stuff. If your gonna build the ep start with basic bolt on's and do suspension work. Just make sure you want to build and keep this car because any money you put into it is gone, unless you find a buyer who wants wants wants your car.

[Kerby]

nope subie trannys are bullet proof the 2.5 liter STi/WRX piston rings are weak. If you do anything more then a stage II upgrade it very well could be a very big problem. Now Evo's on the other hand are the ones with the Tranny issues.

you sure? i've been reading that after a certain torque number sti/wrx/leggy trannies. 3rd and 4th go bye bye.

[bluebullitt2003]

wow lots have happened on this discussion. It seems everyone in my neck of the woods has an evo or sti. the kid that lives behind me is the biggest asshat in his sti (sexually trasmitted infection) haha he thinks his car is god and i dont want to be like that. i like the ep because its something different. From all the reccomendations i think i will probably go with the K24 swap. I plan on keeping the car for a long time. So mind as well work with what i got.

and as far as the muscle car guys....i currently own a 1969 cougar, 1967 mustang fastback with a 390 motor, and 1965 mustang fastback shelby clone. so im not saying that the muscle suck, but there is no way in hell they will ever handle like our hondas will. I have been into muscle cars all my life and this is my first import and its night and day comparisons to suspension. Im sure the new muscle cars such as the new shelbys will run laps around me, but as far as the old ones.....they dont even stand a chance....I love my old v8 and nothing beats the looks i get when im driving it, but im having alot of fun getting into the ep scene.

[4lugSLUG]

dont forget suspension with all those go fast bits. you can make all the power in the world but if you cant put it to the ground effectively or keep it under control its all pointless.

[jed_averill]

I guess the quickest investment I can do is I/H/E and Kpro.

Reading this thread makes me not want to get an STI or EVO anymore until I graduate and at the state of making considerable amount of money.

[ImportCustomx]

dont forget suspension with all those go fast bits. you can make all the power in the world but if you cant put it to the ground effectively or keep it under control its all pointless.
dont forget tires...alot of people throw garbage tires on their setups and think their cars are monster becuase of all the wheels spin

depending on your driving conditions etc (dd, a dd but only in summer, or all season) get a tire thaat fits your needs but do some research..dont go to Costo and get the 50$ tire.

[kprocivic]

damn where have i been. as long as your car is balanced i'm all for it.

[PatrickJamesYu]

wow lots have happened on this discussion. It seems everyone in my neck of the woods has an evo or sti. the kid that lives behind me is the biggest asshat in his sti (sexually trasmitted infection) haha he thinks his car is god and i dont want to be like that. i like the ep because its something different. From all the reccomendations i think i will probably go with the K24 swap. I plan on keeping the car for a long time. So mind as well work with what i got.

and as far as the muscle car guys....i currently own a 1969 cougar, 1967 mustang fastback with a 390 motor, and 1965 mustang fastback shelby clone. so im not saying that the muscle suck, but there is no way in hell they will ever handle like our hondas will. I have been into muscle cars all my life and this is my first import and its night and day comparisons to suspension. Im sure the new muscle cars such as the new shelbys will run laps around me, but as far as the old ones.....they dont even stand a chance....I love my old v8 and nothing beats the looks i get when im driving it, but im having alot of fun getting into the ep scene.

Sounds like your muscle car needs some Racelands
haha

[username011]

for quite the pretty penny:tehe: that celica engine does plenty fine in a car that weighs nothing :thumbu:

there are also projects involving putting in another the 3.5l camry v6 engine into that bay...:mbiggrin:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i98OzHtXbW0

[lldiesel386ll]

lol thats an s1 elise/exige--not legal in the states without another pretty penny :mredface:
putting one in the ones you see on the streets here (05-up) is very very costly :mcry:

sorry for the small thread jack btw lol

[bluebullitt2003]

haha hell no to the racelands

[neoamd]

Do a K24A1 with all the bolts ons and boost it.

Well save up more money first, haha

[carrera10468]

Wow, this when out of control...........crazy.......lol
from a simple question people are calling other lame, stupid, fanboy....lol
Others are talking about lotus, shelby,subie tranny ,double R.... Got to love ephatch...:mbiggrin:

[rjmq06]

looolz thats how we show our love to each other but in the end of the day were all just a driver but with different opinions
(just discussing about cars no personal feelings LOL)

[codyep3]

ever seen a lotus with a k20? lotus owners r ditching the crappy celica motor

you miss the point. The lotus is MR format

[codyep3]

oookk....
loolz what about the mugen civic RR are they still consider a econoboxes???
and they have honda nsx and s2000

Cute you should say this and the simple answer is yes. Mugen Civic RR is fail wheel drive. It has 4 cylinders so it will never keep up with anything other than 4 cylinders. I laugh at this because you will never even see a true RR unless you go to Japan. My bad, I should have said that our EP3's are econoboxes, along with any other honda. Few exceptions are of course the s2000, and Acura NSX.

[codyep3]

wow lots have happened on this discussion. It seems everyone in my neck of the woods has an evo or sti. the kid that lives behind me is the biggest asshat in his sti (sexually trasmitted infection) haha he thinks his car is god and i dont want to be like that. i like the ep because its something different. From all the reccomendations i think i will probably go with the K24 swap. I plan on keeping the car for a long time. So mind as well work with what i got.

and as far as the muscle car guys....i currently own a 1969 cougar, 1967 mustang fastback with a 390 motor, and 1965 mustang fastback shelby clone. so im not saying that the muscle suck, but there is no way in hell they will ever handle like our hondas will. I have been into muscle cars all my life and this is my first import and its night and day comparisons to suspension. Im sure the new muscle cars such as the new shelbys will run laps around me, but as far as the old ones.....they dont even stand a chance....I love my old v8 and nothing beats the looks i get when im driving it, but im having alot of fun getting into the ep scene.

of course an old school muscle car is not going to handle well. They were built for straight line drag racing. The newer US car's are insane, especially the mustangs.

[rjmq06]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EoiRW1hB-4

its 30 mins video but you guys should watch it its eg6 (k20a) vs STI at the end of the video and the drift king is the driver of STI
the eg is just swap without any turbo and can really keep up with that turbo car like the STI

[lldiesel386ll]

of course an old school muscle car is not going to handle well. They were built for straight line drag racing. The newer US car's are insane, especially the mustangs.
:yeahthat: i'm not a fan of the lack of an irs, but ford seems to be doing something right somewhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOwSPccbzl4&feature=player_embedded
and these engines seem really willing to give also
http://jalopnik.com/5619496/mustang-50+liter-supercharger-a-624-hp-tire+shredding-bargain

[showoff3civic]

yeah STi motors are pretty bad man,

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-liter-litre-factory-motor/193203-any-2010-sti-engine-problems.html

[4lugSLUG]

He said "sex-less engineering" lols

[rjmq06]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=243WiKiOJNw

k20a3 (ep3) vs dc5-s vs fg2 vs subaru and ep3

[Twisted-X]

Have somebody with a fast car to push you from behind...

[sleepy ep3]

Put a fan in front of your face,
Put hand out to right side for air shifter
Proceed to make whistling and vroom noises while pushing air clutch pedal,
Congrats, you've just gone fast, for free.
:gghey:

[EP3Casas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=243WiKiOJNw

k20a3 (ep3) vs dc5-s vs fg2 vs subaru and ep3

that ep had some nuts.

but i dont think any of em have heard of WOT shifting

[jed_averill]

but i dont think any of em have heard of WOT shifting

Is that safe with our tranny?

[rjmq06]

but i dont think any of em have heard of WOT shifting
whats a WOT shifting?

[BigTzzy]

WOT = Wide Open Throttle. :)

[EP3Casas]

Is that safe with our tranny?

its safe if u change ur fluids regularly and dont hit 1st-2nd wot and do it only when u race.

[Anrasmor]

What's done to that ep3 in the video?

[jed_averill]

What's done to that ep3 in the video?

"EP3: k20a3/aem cai/obxrh/skunk2 cat-back/stg2 cams/valvetrain/KPRO(dynotune)"
It's on the description.

[Anrasmor]

"EP3: k20a3/aem cai/obxrh/skunk2 cat-back/stg2 cams/valvetrain/KPRO(dynotune)"
It's on the description.

Oh. Well apparently I'm too retarded to read the description.

[jed_averill]

Ra-tarded* lol It's all good, the description doesn't show unless you go on youtube itself anyways.

[EP3Casas]

"EP3: k20a3/aem cai/obxrh/skunk2 cat-back/stg2 cams/valvetrain/KPRO(dynotune)"
It's on the description.
seeing the description got me excited to get my vtec killer set up done. stg 2 a3 cams= stock a2 cams. yes please.

[jed_averill]

seeing the description got me excited to get my vtec killer set up done. stg 2 a3 cams= stock a2 cams. yes please.

Im doing a2 head eventually.

[rjmq06]

Im doing a2 head eventually.

i've been trying to find someone who did this but when i asked the HT people they said its pointless or something like that

anyway let me know bro

[jed_averill]

It's something I will do in the far future. I'm only doing cosmetics for now because of college.

[rjmq06]

It's something I will do in the far future. I'm only doing cosmetics for now because of college.

for sure man
first things first
but im looking forward to your project goodluck

[EP3Casas]

doing the a2 is equivalent to do a vtec killer setup. only difference is you will see better tq numbers with the a2 head but you will spend a good deal of $ getting a complete head

[jed_averill]

What's a vtec killer setup? *Noob here*

Anyways my project would go boltons, a2 heads, kpro.

[codyep3]

What's a vtec killer setup? *Noob here*

Anyways my project would go boltons, a2 heads, kpro.

it gets rid of the vtec lobe if im not mistaken. Its pertect for boost. It makes the ep3 sound like it has abig block lol

[satanicboner666]

easiest way to make the ep3 faster is to sell it and buy a chevy or pontiac with an LS motor in it(acura ls motor of corse). i/rh/e + ground effects, body kit and s2000 shift knob and ull have 140whp in a 3,400 pound car.

[username011]

easiest way to make the ep3 faster is to sell it and buy a chevy or pontiac with an LS motor in it(acura ls motor of corse). i/rh/e + ground effects, body kit and s2000 shift knob and ull have 140whp in a 3,400 pound car.

Is this comment suppose to be a joke?....

[whatisthis]

easiest way to make the ep3 faster is to sell it and buy a chevy or pontiac with an LS motor in it(acura ls motor of corse). i/rh/e + ground effects, body kit and s2000 shift knob and ull have 140whp in a 3,400 pound car.
since i feel like being a bigger smart ass than you... a pontiac vibe with a celica gts swap would be quicker and cheaper.

on topic though, i don't know if this has been said, a k24a1 head and a set of aftermarket cams will net you a better result than a straight a2 head swap for much less money.

[EP3Casas]

What's a vtec killer setup? *Noob here*

Anyways my project would go boltons, a2 heads, kpro.

you swap a2 cams into your car and run the car on the vtec lobe at all times rather than crossing over into vtec

[jed_averill]

you swap a2 cams into your car and run the car on the vtec lobe at all times rather than crossing over into vtec

Amazing. I've thought of this before, never knew it was called "vtec killer".

[EP3Casas]

Amazing. I've thought of this before, never knew it was called "vtec killer".
if you think about it tho its a fitting name bacues you are technically killing vtec crossover

[carrera10468]

isn't v-tec killer for racing use only ?...i seen video on u tube of vtec killer and the idle sound way off

[RHCP0801]

no it can be dd too

[EP3Casas]

isn't v-tec killer for racing use only ?...i seen video on u tube of vtec killer and the idle sound way off

it was possibly untuned. when they are untuned they sound like hell.

but u can dd 1GR8EP3 dd's his. he is my inspiration

[jjermzz]

Econobox it is... I got rid of the EP and want another. I currently rock the new SI sedan. Gives me 30 mpg regularly. Subaru's are good. I get one if I live somewhere mountainous like Maine, NH or VT.