whats the best brake upgrade staying 4 lugs and fit with 15 inch wheel?

[udontknowjack]

dont want to give up 15 inch wheel yet....but want to see whats the best i can get staying 15 inch wheel...

[i_love_my_ep3!]

i forgot whos build thread i was reading but i think stop tech has a four lug big brake kitt!

[whatsvtec]

Wilwood drag kit? or their other 4pot kit with steelies :D

[27rocks]

If you are staying with 15's id say just pads.

[i_love_my_ep3!]

If you are staying with 15's id say just pads.

i been thinking of doing a break upgrade too whats a good pad brand and around how much do they cost??

[udontknowjack]

i forgot whos build thread i was reading but i think stop tech has a four lug big brake kitt!

thats exactly what im looking for...link please?

[i_love_my_ep3!]

i got you hold up

[udontknowjack]

i been thinking of doing a break upgrade too whats a good pad brand and around how much do they cost??

the best brake pads that still streeable are carbontec X8....but be ready for a lot of noise and dust.....they run about $120 a pair

[i_love_my_ep3!]

exlpain the noise part a lil more please?

[i_love_my_ep3!]

2002 Honda Civic Hatchback 1600 Si 4Lug - Big Brake Kit thats the name of the kit just go to the stop tech site and just put your info and it will find it for you still looking for that build tread i remember it was a memeber here who has a white ep with a full race turbo kit was talking about how he was getting one cuz he also wanted to keep his 15s too

[whatsvtec]

exlpain the noise part a lil more please?

The pads will squeak

[i_love_my_ep3!]

how would you rate the nosie level from 1-10

[i_love_my_ep3!]

http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?57781-lbk02si-s-BIG-BUILD-THREAD!!!!-%28Journal-of-an-Si%29&highlight=


heres the link of the build tread talking about the 4 lug big braKE KIT

[udontknowjack]

they'll squeak like you have no or bad pads....they are loud enough to turn heads when you come to a stop sign/light and give you looks....LOL and trust me they dust like no tomorrow....

[i_love_my_ep3!]

awww dyam just took those off the list for sure does anyone have inputs on hawk pads or any other good ones

[udontknowjack]

if you dont track your car....this is what i'll get...quiet and no dust.

http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brakes.jsp?make=Hawk&model=Performance+Ceramic+Pads&group=Performance+Ceramic+Pads&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=Civic+Si+Hatchback&autoYear=2002&autoModClar=

[udontknowjack]

http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?57781-lbk02si-s-BIG-BUILD-THREAD!!!!-%28Journal-of-an-Si%29&highlight=


heres the link of the build tread talking about the 4 lug big braKE KIT

he didnt share where he order it....i asked him on there...

[lbk02si]

2002 Honda Civic Hatchback 1600 Si 4Lug - Big Brake Kit thats the name of the kit just go to the stop tech site and just put your info and it will find it for you still looking for that build tread i remember it was a memeber here who has a white ep with a full race turbo kit was talking about how he was getting one cuz he also wanted to keep his 15s too

yea thats me, StopTech does make a 4 lug version for our cars. You'll just have to get ahold of them, I get all my parts from Jotech and they just order them directly from StopTech for me.

[whatsvtec]

how would you rate the nosie level from 1-10

No clue! I'm still rockin' the OEM pads that the stealership put on before I bought it.

[i_love_my_ep3!]

No clue! I'm still rockin' the OEM pads that the stealership put on before I bought it.

i see but looks like im getting those ceramic hawk pads like he said not too much dust and quite

[Type_R_Nammer]

Any good sites for cheap Powerslot rotors?:)

[BeaterEP]

May be a little late, but Fastbrakes makes front kits with 11" rotors and reman'd CR-V calipers that use the stock brake master cylinder and will fit in even the OEM wheels (15's).
LINK: Fastbrakes.com Kit (http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/fastbrakes%20ep%2011%20inch%20kit.htm)
LINK: TogueEP3's Thread on the Kit (http://forums.clubep3.com/showthread.php?t=691277)

[udontknowjack]

May be a little late, but Fastbrakes makes front kits with 11" rotors and reman'd CR-V calipers that use the stock brake master cylinder and will fit in even the OEM wheels (15's).
LINK: Fastbrakes.com Kit (http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/fastbrakes%20ep%2011%20inch%20kit.htm)
LINK: TogueEP3's Thread on the Kit (http://forums.clubep3.com/showthread.php?t=691277)

Even better..!! Thank you.!!!

[MugenReplica]

Best kit that I know of that still fits under 15" wheels is the 11.75" 4 lug civic upgrade.

Corsport has them rather cheap at $729 shipped. Last time I looked them up, they were above $1k. Get them while they're cheap.
http://www.corsportusa.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=11762

[27rocks]

Best kit that I know of that still fits under 15" wheels is the 11.75" 4 lug civic upgrade.

Corsport has them rather cheap at $729 shipped. Last time I looked them up, they were above $1k. Get them while they're cheap.
http://www.corsportusa.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=11762

I wouldn't trust those for anything more then to just stop you once every other drag run. For everyday use i would stick to OEM rotors and some good pads.




To thread starter: Invest in some SS brake lines and some good fluid and buy some decent Hawk pads all around. It should hold up pretty well till you decide to upgrade later on.

[Zzyzx]

Ok, because it hasn't been asked & there's a lot of "whats the best" questions being thrown around...

What aspect of your braking are you trying to improve? AKA; are you overheating the system? are you trying to slow in a shorter distance? Are you trying to make the brake pedal feel harder/stiffer? What?

[lbk02si]

Any good sites for cheap Powerslot rotors?:)

i've got a set of powerslot rotors that are brand new that'll i'll sell you for a good price. if you are interested pm me.

[udontknowjack]

Ok, because it hasn't been asked & there's a lot of "whats the best" questions being thrown around...

What aspect of your braking are you trying to improve? AKA; are you overheating the system? are you trying to slow in a shorter distance? Are you trying to make the brake pedal feel harder/stiffer? What?


Most important for me is shorter distant....so I can take it deep into the corner and late brake

[Zzyzx]

Most important for me is shorter distant....so I can take it deep into the corner and late brake

Then modding the brake system its self may not be the best plan. Or at least not get you what you want.

In your case, tires are what you should pay attention to. they are after all the only thing touching the ground, and as such they are the only thing that can exert force to slow the car. The rest of the brake system just allows you to utilize the grip the tires have to slow the car down.

Now, if you are having a heat issue then going with a larger rotor can and will help, Just as picking the right pad & fluid will but they in and of them selves will not slow the car down any faster then a properly working OEM setup.

Worth the read for anyone who is looking to modify their brakes. The author is a brake engineer (Carr Engineering, Inc.) & amateur race car driver.
http://www.teamscr.com/motorsports/tech-articles/34-braking-systemsin-plain-english.html

[udontknowjack]

Then modding the brake system its self may not be the best plan. Or at least not get you what you want.

In your case, tires are what you should pay attention to. they are after all the only thing touching the ground, and as such they are the only thing that can exert force to slow the car. The rest of the brake system just allows you to utilize the grip the tires have to slow the car down.

Now, if you are having a heat issue then going with a larger rotor can and will help, Just as picking the right pad & fluid will but they in and of them selves will not slow the car down any faster then a properly working OEM setup.

Worth the read for anyone who is looking to modify their brakes. The author is a brake engineer (Carr Engineering, Inc.) & amateur race
car driver.
http://www.teamscr.com/motorsports/tech-articles/34-braking-systemsin-plain-english.html

When was the last time u track or autox zzyzx? and how long you been racing?

"the front rotors are the same size as a 95 Civic SI which is around 700lbs. lighter" Idk how acute is this statement? Its from that guy who upgrade his brakes

[SHG_EasyE]

awww dyam just took those off the list for sure does anyone have inputs on hawk pads or any other good ones

Im assuming youre just doing street driving. In that case grab some Hawk HPS pads. No noise, and not a lot of dusting while still having pretty good stopping power. If you want a little more aggressive you can go to Hawk HP Plus, but naturally with a more aggressive pad there will be more dust and possibly a little squeak here and there. The HP Plus is a good autocross pad aswell.

I would suggest just doing some pads, and possibly lines if you want a firmer pedal. You can do slotted or drilled rotors aswell if you like the look but there really isnt any advantage unless youre using them for the track.

[Zzyzx]

When was the last time u track or autox zzyzx? and how long you been racing?

"the front rotors are the same size as a 95 Civic SI which is around 700lbs. lighter" Idk how acute is this statement? Its from that guy who upgrade his brakes

Eh, you are forcing me to date my self, and now I feel old.

I started autocrossing back in 02-03 and for a good 4 years I went to every event I could get to, even a few in San Diego. Coming down the hill at Qualcom is disconcerting, as you are gaining speed & half the turns are off camber... I did a few national tour events, When I say Pro solo is some of the most fun you can have with your car I mean it. I wish regional events were run like pro solo. I was even the Solo 2 chair for my local region for a season, till a family emergency forced me to resign.

I didn't start open tracking till around 05. Never got in to it as much as autocross, it didn't give me the same sense of competition. Sure speeds were higher, but the time between turns increased.

Regardless, my attendance to both autocross and open track has tapered off for the most part. I found a new hobby that takes my weekends up... Homebrewing. Mmm homemade beer.

as far as the size of the rotors being the same as the older civic, not sure if its true either. But its only an issue if you are running in to heat problems, as rotor size has as much to do with stopping the car quicker as fish have to do with making the sun rise in the morning. Of which larger rotors is just one of several fixes. I'll point you at Grassroots Motorsports Ep3 build, in it they had sever heat problems once they started tracking with R compound tires. Their fix was to run simple ducting to cool the brakes, and according to them it solved their heat problems completely.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/project-cars/2002-Honda-civic-si/

[Hasbro]

as far as the size of the rotors being the same as the older civic, not sure if its true either. But its only an issue if you are running in to heat problems, as rotor size has as much to do with stopping the car quicker as fish have to do with making the sun rise in the morning. Of which larger rotors is just one of several fixes. I'll point you at Grassroots Motorsports Ep3 build, in it they had sever heat problems once they started tracking with R compound tires. Their fix was to run simple ducting to cool the brakes, and according to them it solved their heat problems completely.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/project-cars/2002-Honda-civic-si/

Reading the GRM EP articles (http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/project-cars/2002-Honda-civic-si/ ) should be a pre-requisite for anyone wanting to build their EP. I'm almost anti-big break since 90% of the people that get them don't need them. When and if I do build a brake system it will mostly be to reduce unsprung weight.

[Zzyzx]

I wouldnt say I'm anti-big brake. I'm just anti-misconseption.

[udontknowjack]

I wouldnt say I'm anti-big brake. I'm just anti-misconseption.

How long u been racing? At least 10 or more years I'm guessing

[SHG_EasyE]

Reading the GRM EP articles (http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/project-cars/2002-Honda-civic-si/ ) should be a pre-requisite for anyone wanting to build their EP. I'm almost anti-big break since 90% of the people that get them don't need them. When and if I do build a brake system it will mostly be to reduce unsprung weight.

Honestly our cars dont need big brakes unless you have big horsepower and are running at a track with long straights. Ive run my car at both Monticello Motor Club and Watkins Glen with RSX-S brakes and Hawk DTC-60's with no issues whatsoever. I didnt even have stainless lines at that point.

But...... I grabbed a set of Stoptechs for super cheap this past summer so Ill be running them this season. Im interested to see what the feel is like compared to the single piston brakes. The Stoptechs are also 2.2 lbs lighter per side (loaded)


How long u been racing? At least 10 or more years I'm guessing

Dude he JUST answered you.

[udontknowjack]

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