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tht1guy
02-21-2011, 01:55 PM
I've browsed the forum on the K24A1 swap info. but i'm still confused as to whether or not i can use my A3 tranny or not? and what i need if i use my tranny with this swap?

RHCP0801
02-21-2011, 02:09 PM
yes, it will bolt right up and you dont need anything extra

dkid15
02-21-2011, 02:14 PM
Get a new clutch. A3 would be my tranny of choice if i were doing a k24a1.

tht1guy
02-21-2011, 02:18 PM
so this is why K24A1 is the way to go. No need for kpro and all you need is a long block

SIisaLowRydaEP3
02-21-2011, 02:28 PM
you do still need kpro

tht1guy
02-21-2011, 02:31 PM
oh thats not what i read in the DIY it said the with the type s injectors you dont

udontknowjack
02-21-2011, 10:38 PM
Get a new clutch. A3 would be my tranny of choice if i were doing a k24a1.


same if thats a k24a2?

Tortoise
02-21-2011, 11:27 PM
oh thats not what i read in the DIY it said the with the type s injectors you dont

Youll need kpro if you plan on running any boltons. Otherwise youll need stock intake and exhaust. Either way its still the smart idea to run kpro. You already have all the money into the swap you might as welll do the extra to be safe and sure.

RHCP0801
02-22-2011, 06:21 PM
same if thats a k24a2?

yes

ep3jd
02-22-2011, 06:27 PM
Youll need kpro if you plan on running any boltons. Otherwise youll need stock intake and exhaust. Either way its still the smart idea to run kpro. You already have all the money into the swap you might as welll do the extra to be safe and sure.

yeah don't cheap out on the swap man. just get it done and get it done right. an extra 800 bucks won't kill you when you're doing a MOTOR SWAP. its not supposed to be cheap.

japarossa
02-22-2011, 06:49 PM
oh thats not what i read in the DIY it said the with the type s injectors you dont You will need kpro for the ecu to recognize the larger Type s injectors, it may run but it won't run good and probably not for very long. Kpro is a must for any swap. Why install a k24 just to have it run off the stock k20a3 maps?

thakid
02-22-2011, 06:53 PM
Sorry to thread jack but my thread didn't get answered because mods put it in the transmission section which no one goes to. Someone said a type s tranny is best for boost. That's not true right? They said the ep3 tranny is the worse transmission for k series. They said its a piece of shit. Any word on this?

RHCP0801
02-22-2011, 07:06 PM
who is they? they are idiots

japarossa
02-22-2011, 07:12 PM
Yeah who is they???? lol "they" are ill informed, from my experience the RSX base is the worst

thakid
02-22-2011, 08:44 PM
Check the transimission part of this forum. You'll see a link. He even goes into crazy details of why this that and the other.

RHCP0801
02-22-2011, 08:46 PM
use the ep3 tranny

thakid
02-22-2011, 09:18 PM
This is what he said.

Final drive determines what mph each gear ends at (and other things but lets keep it simple). For instance, 02-04 Type-S and 05-06 Type-S 6-speed have the same 1st-6th gear ratios BUT the 02-04 has a 4.389 FD and the 05-06 has a 4.764 FD. The higher the number, the shorter the final drive. The shorter the final drive, the lower the mph achieved in each gear. Remember this last part.

Gear ratios determine RPM drop between each gear (and other things but again, lets keep it simple). The greater the difference between the gears, the further the RPM's drop. For instance, 94-01 Integra LS and GSR share the same 1-2 ratio (3.23 and 1.9). However, they have different 3rd gear ratios (1.269 vs 1.36) thereby giving the GSR a better/closer 2-3 shift. The reason it is better is because the RPM's did not drop further than needed to accelerate in the next gear. ANY performance vehicle wants short/close gearing. That way, every time you shift, you do not fall below your powerband more than needed.

The number of gear selections determine how many times you shift to achieve maximum MPH, obviously. If you have a 5-speed, you're going to shift one less time than someone with a 6-speed. However, if both are trying to achieve the same maximum MPH, the 5-speed will have to sacrifice somewhere.
Here are the gear ratio's of both:

EP3 3.062
1st 1.769
2nd 1.212
3rd 0.921
4th 0.738
5th 4.764
FD

Type-S 3.266
1st 2.130
2nd 1.517
3rd 1.147
4th 0.921
5th 0.738
6th 4.389
FD or 4.764 FD

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6395

*notice how the EP3 4th and 5th gears are the same as the Type-S 5th and 6th gears*

So taking what I just explained, the EP3 trans and the 05-06 Type-S trans can achieve the same maximum MPH. However, the EP3 has to shift one less time than the Type-S. Therefore, because it has to shift one less time, it has to make up for the lack of that extra gear by having longer gears. The longer gears drop the vehicle out of its powerband with each shift. The Type-S has to spend fractions of a second shifting one more time. HOWEVER, it gains the advantage of not having RPM's dropping further than needed. Therefore, each shift is more useful than with the EP3 trans.

Now, take what I explained and apply that to the 02-04 Type-S trans. Yes, it has the same gearing as the 05-06 Type-S. HOWEVER, with the longer 4.389 FD, it can achieve a higher MPH IN EACH GEAR. Therefore, you gain the benefit of not having to shift as quickly (or run out of MPH as quickly) as you would with the 4.764 FD BUT YOU ALSO do not have the shitty gear ratios of the EP3 trans. Best of both worlds.

Cliff notes: shitty gearing sucks, good gearing rules, if you're boosted you should have good gearing and adjust your MPH with a longer final drive. Please tell me you understand this.