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VividSI
02-24-2011, 08:00 PM
I just got new tokico blue shocks with new tein S-Tech springs and all new honda bushings on front and rear control arms. the car has sat on the new setup for over a month and the passenger side has a 1 finger gap and the driver side is a little more almost a 2 finger gap. this doesnt make sense because my weight is on the high side when i drive it every day. does anybody have this problem with just springs? im taking it to the shop because they want to check it out.

RedSiBaron
02-24-2011, 08:27 PM
First off, your ride height sounds too low on s techs to be the ep3 specific springs, im guessing you have em2 springs....this is a common computer system mixup from tein...many people get the wrong springs from tein...the em2 tein s techs are extremely undersprung from ep3 stock and sag very low as a result...as a result they don't do much to level the car...if they were for the ep3 they are pretty stiff but you'd have like 3 or 4 finger gap

Second, did you tighten your suspension with pre load applied to the suspension geometry or did you final tighten it with it hanging...that may cause it to sit unevenlly...


Here is a comparison of the em2 springs on an ep vs ep springs on ep
I learned this from personal research...when tein searches in their computer one way the em2 springs come up as for the ep3, if they search another way they come up for the em2...this is why they so often get sold completely on accident to ep3 owners...

White car is mine on the em2 stechs and the black car is on the ep3 spec tein s techs...I checked both cars spring part numbers with tein...this is all 100% confirmed first hand info...both cars were also on level even ground

http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/d/213874-1/wheel+gap+comparison.jpg

VividSI
02-25-2011, 08:12 PM
ive opened the door and jumped on the car again and again and they are not going down any further, it looks like one front and rear pair are different specs vs the other set. they can cut me a check for the installation bill if they mix match springs in the box or give me some super streets 50% off. if the black car is in fact on ep3 specific teins then i want my money back because my hfp's are lower than that and they are not even rated at a full inch, tein claims 1.4 inches.

VividSI
02-25-2011, 08:14 PM
a shop did the install so i dont know how they did it. all they do is imports so i assume they know what they are doing, besides they are a tein dealer.

blue2turbo
02-25-2011, 09:52 PM
a shop did the install so i dont know how they did it. all they do is imports so i assume they know what they are doing, besides they are a tein dealer.

If you had a shop to it, then bring it back to them, show them what the problem is and make them fix it. The only benefit to having someone else do it is that if something is wrong with the install, then you can point the finger elsewhere.

RedSiBaron
02-26-2011, 10:51 AM
Well those are the facts...I say don't go with tein...order progress...the spring rate is the same as the tein s techs but the drop is almost where my car was on the wrong teins, but I don't scrape like I did with the em2 teins...progress cost $150...get those then make th shop give you your money back and swap them out :mwink:

civictype_r04
02-26-2011, 11:01 AM
Well those are the facts...I say don't go with tein...order progress...the spring rate is the same as the tein s techs but the drop is almost where my car was on the wrong teins, but I don't scrape like I did with the em2 teins...progress cost $150...get those then make th shop give you your money back and swap them out :mwink:

I agree go with the progress springs!

VividSI
02-26-2011, 04:47 PM
I just came back from the shop and they tried everything and it still looks the same. (like crap) i didnt pay for a drop on the passenger side only. its not the drop I paid for and thats advertised so im going to make tein fix it.

civictype_r04
02-26-2011, 05:39 PM
That sucks dude!!

Tnhatch03
02-26-2011, 05:42 PM
yeah man, keep us updated on what you hear from Tein!

hope you get this fixed!

civictype_r04
02-26-2011, 06:02 PM
yeah man, keep us updated on what you hear from Tein!

hope you get this fixed!

Yea!

blue2turbo
02-26-2011, 08:42 PM
I just came back from the shop and they tried everything and it still looks the same. (like crap) i didnt pay for a drop on the passenger side only. its not the drop I paid for and thats advertised so im going to make tein fix it.

Like I said, one of the best benefits of having someone else do it, keep bringing it back till they fix it. is it higher on one side front AND rear or just higher on the driver front?

VividSI
02-26-2011, 09:47 PM
the right side is 1 finger gap, the left front is a little more than 1 finger gap. and the left rear is at least 2. if you get a measuring stick out i have 4 different heights if you want to get really technical.

VividSI
02-26-2011, 09:58 PM
its usually one thing after another. i didnt think i could go wrong with something as simple as springs and they are made in Japan and supposed to be application specific!

AKEP
02-28-2011, 05:13 AM
man i got a 1 finger gap all around on stock tires...def a stiff ride that i dont scrape on either...

VividSI
03-03-2011, 08:54 PM
I talked to tein customer service and they are saying the S-tech are tested on factory shocks and that my tokico could be the problem, so before i lose my butt in labor costs im just going to drive it the way it its. I hate to say it but now its looking a little closer on the driverside compared to the passenger but if you measure it there is a difference, ill post pics so you can judge.

VividSI
03-04-2011, 04:52 PM
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00019-20110304-1746.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00016-20110304-1745.jpg

VividSI
03-04-2011, 04:55 PM
i dont think anybody can really notice unless you do a finger test. i hope it will all level out on these rough streets.

VividSI
03-04-2011, 05:00 PM
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00017-20110304-1745.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00021-20110304-1746.jpg

VividSI
03-04-2011, 05:01 PM
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00020-20110304-1746.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00018-20110304-1745.jpg

cronicEP
03-08-2011, 06:53 AM
i can see the gap differences...progress springs ftw

VividSI
03-08-2011, 09:31 PM
man i got a 1 finger gap all around on stock tires...def a stiff ride that i dont scrape on either...

what size tires do you have? im running 225's and i think thats the problem.

Ronnie
03-09-2011, 09:42 AM
Never say am a pro, but you are suppose to tighten them ( front and rear ) with pre load applied to the suspension....
- I learned that in a hard way while i was on Tein ss
Plus JUST like what RedSiBaron said: the em2 and ep3 spring will get mixed up! :D
-
FYI: PROGRESS coils FTW

VividSI
05-20-2011, 05:54 PM
I think everything leveled out, i got new tires and another alignment and it looks and rides better than before. see for yourself.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00082-20110520-1945.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00083-20110520-1946.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00081-20110520-1945.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/nizac/IMG00079-20110520-1943.jpg

VividSI
05-20-2011, 05:57 PM
All part numbers are EP3 specific too.

tinman5
05-22-2011, 03:52 PM
It has been my experience that lowering springs, more so than coilovers, will do most of their settling within 2 weeks time. However I sometimes depending on roads, driving style, and straight up use will continue to settle for up to a month. I also noticed particularly with my 240sx that the weight of the exhaust has an effect on even-ness(real word?). I went from an Apexi dual N1 to a Blitz Realize exhaust at a noticeable weight difference that translated to the driver side sagging a tad lower. I installed Tein coilovers shortly after and that ultimately solved the problem.
Coilovers win.

VividSI
05-23-2011, 03:55 PM
Yea its a very comfortable ride but coilovers are the ultimate for adjustability you just have to pay a little more for them. I may try the buddy club N+ shortly