boosting in 6 weeks...

[ginger]

can you wait? i cant...

[AUTiger]

my goal is 3 weeks, but since I still have a lot of shit to order, I don't think it is going to happen.

[ginger]

im on the transit home from the arabian gulf or else it would be sooner...

[AKEP]

fuck yeah. welcome home. ARP headstuds and stage 4 clutch!

[ginger]

thanks bro, its been too long since ive been home...

here is what i got...
spec stage 4 clutch, tsx 6th, qualife lsd, new 1-6 synchros. (all being installed as we speak)
here is the plan...
going with a gt35r. waiting on an email for a full-race turbo kit...
if that for some reason falls threw, im going to ctd fab, make vince build me a kit...

[AKEP]

make sure you want a 35r. i think a 30r would suit us better, it would spool a little faster, should hold enough power for any k series.

[heyvortek]

35r is krzy powerful. make sure you have a return fuel line if you want more than 400whp...which is still fast btw.

[MadLorEP3]

thanks bro, its been too long since ive been home...

here is what i got...
spec stage 4 clutch, tsx 6th, qualife lsd, new 1-6 synchros. (all being installed as we speak)
here is the plan...
going with a gt35r. waiting on an email for a full-race turbo kit...
if that for some reason falls threw, im going to ctd fab, make vince build me a kit...

I'm not sure of the exact reason but I have read that you don't necessarily wanna add a 6th gear in your going boost.
Oh yeah in case you're interested I'm selling a brand new fullrace intercooler and piping that was never used. They were just mokced on the ep. Special pricing for the military all the time...

[AUTiger]

it's fine to add the tsx 6th. He would be keeping the ep3 stock 1-5 gearing which is optimal for boost. It's swapping in a complete type-s 6spd transmission that is not to be added when going boost.

[MadLorEP3]

it's fine to add the tsx 6th. He would be keeping the ep3 stock 1-5 gearing which is optimal for boost. It's swapping in a complete type-s 6spd transmission that is not to be added when going boost.

coo coo tnx for the clarification...btw I always confuse you with tigerballz LOL

[ginger]

i have a complete k20a2 set up in the car, 6th speed and all. and im going for 500whp... yes the ep3 gears would be nice but i dont want to step back down to the 5 speed. unless i go with a dog cut gear, which is an option,
madlorep3 pm me a price if you would...
heyvortek. i know 400 is fast, i use to have a 600+whp drag crx. its alot to keep on the track/road, thats why i have an eg hattch to daily...

[MadLorEP3]

sent you a pm brotha...I'm considering dog cut gears as well when I do the motor build around xmas...Might as well go all out...LOL
Go BIG or Go HOME...Good luck with your build bro

[03 inspire]

you dont want to use the 6 spd for boost its way.......... too short gear wise

[ginger]

you dont want to use the 6 spd for boost its way.......... too short gear wise

i know 6 speed is no ideal but im going to make it work, i figure with the k20a2 revving to 9k and the 35r boosting well into that, it wont be that bad.
shift speeds are like, 40mph, 65mph, and 95mph in 3rd. ill be ok

[03 inspire]

i know 6 speed is no ideal but im going to make it work, i figure with the k20a2 revving to 9k and the 35r boosting well into that, it wont be that bad.
shift speeds are like, 40mph, 65mph, and 95mph in 3rd. ill be ok

I understand where your coming from on this I had the same set up and idea before on a Greddy kit and even with smaller Turbo the gears went by too fast and then when went with our Full Race with the 35r same thing even tho the 35r is a faster spoolin turbo your cutting your self short by using the 6sPD and if your worried about driveability and wheel spin also that is another reason to stay away.

Here's an example if you ride bikes especially single gears if your going down hill and let's say you have 2 bikes one bike with a larger gear and another with a smaller gear and they both roll down hill at the same time the bike with the smaller gear will roll down hill much faster however at one point because of the small gear the peddles are spinnging so fast your legs (which serve act just like your turbo and engine would not be able to keep up with the speed of the peddles you actually end up losing power? Verse the bigger one will off a little slower how ever while the smaller gear bike tops out this one still have room to peddle to gain more torque and power and you won't be braking your knees or ankles while trying to keep up.

Sorry about any grammars probes trying to type all this on my phone


But if you have your heart set on it then try it out.


btw get LSD :) and thanks for serving our country and not to shoot a shout out to my own company but if you ever need and duty equipment let me know we take of our LEO/Mil

[MadLorEP3]

If the 6 spd doesnt work out then you still have your 5 spd ep anyways...homie above is probably right though. I have read the same thing about 6 spd and turbos from a lot of different forums...alot of guys with boost on k20a are switching out their 6 spd for 5 spd...6 spd is probably better for an all motor setup...

[02TWSI]

Not to keep on with the same debate BUT take a look at WRX and then look at the STi. The STi has probably the worst gearing ever for a large turbo just because you're shifting 1-2-3 sooooo fast that you're losing time. On the other hand they said that the 09 WRX is FASTER than the same year STi in the quarter mile, wanna know why?


Gearing

Same reason evo MR guys step down to the bulletproof 5 speed from their godly 6 speed.

[AKEP]

yeah man, do it like me, get the tsx 6th gear and put it in with ep3 gears. that makes it like a type s 6 speed but slightly longer. if you want REAL long gears, do that and use a type s final drive. its like an HF k series. break 200 mph with that..

oh yeah and i spin 2nd on 5 psi, so just imagine a type s transmission on anything more.

[02TWSI]

Yeap, type s FD is 4.3 EP has 4.7, my type s trans has 4.7 and it makes the stock a3+6 speed a blast LOL

[ginger]

I understand where your coming from on this I had the same set up and idea before on a Greddy kit and even with smaller Turbo the gears went by too fast and then when went with our Full Race with the 35r same thing even tho the 35r is a faster spoolin turbo your cutting your self short by using the 6sPD and if your worried about driveability and wheel spin also that is another reason to stay away.

Here's an example if you ride bikes especially single gears if your going down hill and let's say you have 2 bikes one bike with a larger gear and another with a smaller gear and they both roll down hill at the same time the bike with the smaller gear will roll down hill much faster however at one point because of the small gear the peddles are spinnging so fast your legs (which serve act just like your turbo and engine would not be able to keep up with the speed of the peddles you actually end up losing power? Verse the bigger one will off a little slower how ever while the smaller gear bike tops out this one still have room to peddle to gain more torque and power and you won't be braking your knees or ankles while trying to keep up.

Sorry about any grammars probes trying to type all this on my phone


But if you have your heart set on it then try it out.


btw get LSD :) and thanks for serving our country and not to shoot a shout out to my own company but if you ever need and duty equipment let me know we take of our LEO/Mil

i understand what you are saying completely, i had an h22 with a gsr trans and the gears went way to fast after i went on boost so i switched back to an h22 trans, but even the type s trans has longer gears, im going to try it, ive done alot of research on it, there are some guys on k20a that are running the 6th gear with no problem. and yes i know im going to have wheel spin, its a front wheel drive... i have an lsd, and im getting new slicks to help for the track... whats your company shoot me a link or is it on your signature?

[AKEP]

oh yeah btw i have lsd too.

[WPB EP3]

it's fine to add the tsx 6th. He would be keeping the ep3 stock 1-5 gearing which is optimal for boost. It's swapping in a complete type-s 6spd transmission that is not to be added when going boost.

truth

[ginger]

so the turbo kit i was trying to buy got sold because my ship lost communications... grr. now im on the prowl again...

[03 inspire]

if i were you get this one
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=93499

[ginger]

thats the one i was getting but the internet on the ship went out because of where we were and i missed an email form him to paypal him and he sold it...

[ginger]

im going with a a ctd-fab turbo kit thanks to vince. going to run a gt35r. will be up by the end of september. transmission is getting done now...

[ginger]

teaser

[AKEP]

sick

[ginger]

btw im boosted now, thanks to ctd fab. he did an amazing job. ill have pics/videos up by the end of the week, we are waiting on the tune that will come on monday. the plan is to limit the set up to 400whp on 11psi we are thinking, until we build the fuel return set up then we are shooting for the stock k20a2 motor record, set at 604 about a month ago.

[mitchlikesbikes]

btw im boosted now, thanks to ctd fab. he did an amazing job. ill have pics/videos up by the end of the week, we are waiting on the tune that will come on monday. the plan is to limit the set up to 400whp on 11psi we are thinking, until we build the fuel return set up then we are shooting for the stock k20a2 motor record, set at 604 about a month ago.

damnnn going for 600+ on stock k20a2? who's tuning this monster?

[ginger]

joe at locash racing. he is doing the initial tune. the 600+ tune, im looking at a couple guys.

[02TWSI]

Sounds like a dyno queen. Good luck getting there but 600turbo whp + fwd = garaged 6 out of 7 days a week.

[Blah1219]

Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me XD It will have to be a true dyno queen. Taking it that high a certain amount of times.... Watch Out!

I'm in for the dyno sheet. Either go big or go home!

[ginger]

She ain't no Dyno queen. I drive her to work every day. Just cause Your tuned on 600 HP does not mean you have to use it all. And the street tune is going to stay at 400 or so.

So its getting the tune in about 3 hours. Better make sure the camera has batteries...

[andyman97]

Vince just texted me and told me you were hitting the dyno. Pretty exciting, let us know what you make.

[sleepy ep3]

In for results.

[andyman97]

Stock fuel pump... Ahhhh! That's gonna kill you, man. Get a walbro in there asap!

[sleepy ep3]

Stock fuel pump... Ahhhh! That's gonna kill you, man. Get a walbro in there asap!Stock will not even get you to 220 hp

[AKEP]

Stock will not even get you to 220 hp

im at 300 solid...

[andyman97]

Stock will not even get you to 220 hp

My k24 makes about 220 na on a stock pump...

[sleepy ep3]

im at 300 solid...On what dyno?

[AKEP]

dynojet - even on a mustang if i saw "240" i still have room.

[sleepy ep3]

dynojet - even on a mustang if i saw "240" i still have room.
Idk. That's asking a lot from a stock pump. Why even bother? Walbros are only like $80

[AKEP]

I have one, but no need to install it yet. i was seeing 10.8AFR @ 13 psi, so i know it can handle it. (im not at 13psi, anymore)

[ginger]

ok boys, 383hp at 7700, 261tq at 6600. id need to look at the sheets again. and ill upload pics soon, got to get settled into the new house. oh all that at 11.8psi. need more fuel pressure. its enough to roast the tires in 3rd from a slow roll and 45% throttle.

[ginger]

...

[andyman97]

Freakin sweet man, glad you worked out the bugs. I want to see pics of the setup. I'm hot on your heels, getting tuned in just a few weeks. Good job, my friend.

[AKEP]

sounds about right. what size hotside are you using?

[ginger]

im using a garrett gt3582r

and im having problems loading pics to the sight

[AKEP]

imageshack.us

[ginger]

pics for you

[ginger]

and

[AKEP]

thats sick. what size IC piping?

[ginger]

2.5" hotside. and 2.75" cold side. the intercooler is 3.5" thick

[mitchlikesbikes]

those CTD rear mounts are just TOO sick. waiting for monster tune and results!

[Ctd-fab]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a_GSPKBBtPI/TnkyTOGq7jI/AAAAAAAADAA/oMh90rsiVi0/s640/Top.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TKSbmhI3whM/TnkyuGuGHbI/AAAAAAAAC_0/tXMLuRZRlrA/s640/Top.jpg


Power pictures :mbiggrin:

ID1000s
Walbro
Stock rail
GT3582 with a 0.82 hotside and GT-4 bolt
3" downpipe with 2.5" exhaust
11psi max
Crap Arizona 91 octane pump
A3 intake manifold
90 degree dyno room temperature
CTD Topmount
CTD 600hp vertical flow with custom 2.5 hot and 2.75 cold pipes
Turbosmart 45 wg
Tial 50mm BOV

Fuel system is still a stock returnless but with a Walbro added. The tune was around 400 whp but Joe detuned it a bit for safety because the car was going to a much cooler place. The ID1000s are maxed at a safe duty cycle right now.

I also included a boost graph to show response and creep. The gate used is a very high quality TurboSmart 45mm and has a very nice tear dropped inlet from the manifold. This tune is right off of the 7psi spring without the use of a boost controller. The boost reference for the gate was taken off of the hot pipe and you can see via the graph that it is opening at 5.5-6 psi. This means the total pressure drop from the piping and intercooler is about 1-1.5 psi which is very good. I wanted to get IAT data but the stock IAT sensor non-stripped is pretty slow acting. K series engine have very good exhaust flow and creep is a given and something we all have to deal with when using large turbos with these engines. The data shows about a 5 psi steady creep which is actually pretty good for running low boost. Once Vtec engaged the gate really starts to work hard from the looks of the data. In a couple weeks the plan is to exchange the spring for a softer 4psi one and tune using a hondata boost control solenoid via Kpro for better traction control.


Overall I was pretty satisfied with the meaty powerband even with the small amount of creep due to low boost on a big efficient 35r. The smaller primary runners help with the low end and fitment was spot on! The 2.5 inch exhaust and a3 intake manifold are definitely holding this setup back quite a bit. With a full 3" exhaust, RBC intake manifold, and return fuel system I believe there easily could be gains of 20-30whp at the same boost level.

Fun project! Thanks a bunch Kevin, it was a fun two days and it was great working with you, haha. Even with the hiccups due to non-turbo related stuff we got it done. Really hope you are enjoying your new setup and can't wait until we can turn it up!

[andyman97]

Awesome. Congrats again.

[ginger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHOpKlQLz0

[Ctd-fab]

love vids!

I wouldn't have minded seeing you eat that Lambo for lunch, haha. I'm sure everyone else might want to hear details too :mwink:

[k24civicsi]

very nice.....

[ginger]

vince i was at your shop but the doors were closed and she saw it going down university from perry so we chased it down the 101... got a shitty video ill email it to you.

[ginger]

on vince i got your fancy screw driver found it under the seat in my car... ill be in town again on saturday we will go for another ride... itsd getting better, and im ordering 265/50/16 with a 140 thread rating. little bit stickier

[Ctd-fab]

Ha, ive been looking everywhere for that thing! Thanks for finding it. What time saturday? I also have a buddy who would love a ride, he has never been in a honda with over 200 hp

[ginger]

dude we are having the same conversation threw 4 different threads on 2 different forums. should be in town at like 3pm ish. be oput in tempe around 6-7 ill call you

[AKEP]

k20a2?

[mitchlikesbikes]

k20a2?

yup. he said he's going for the stock k20a2 record on the next tune too (600+ whp).