I am joining the K24 club!!

[captaingamez]

so i picked this up today.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t21/captaingamez/2E23809A-B9BA-4455-8CE2-81B1810162C1-3892-00000365494B4E15_zpse9efe459.jpg

paid $491.85 out the door, 136k miles on it, internals look spotless anywhere i can seem them its from an 04 CRV which makes it a K24A1.

my stock A3 is dying slowly, the head gasket no longer is totally sealed and its got low compression, so its time to go, or at least for me to rebuild it and sell it.

the motor will be getting new gaskets on the intake, exhaust, valve cover, oil pan, and everything else thats maintainence stuff.

[Ba82Ep3]

Damn thats a good lookin engine! Youll love it once its in. You have KPro already or no?

[captaingamez]

not yet, but now that the prices have lowered it will be coming shortly, plus I saved over $300 on the engine, compared to what i though i was going to pay so that is $300 closer to kpro.

I did order 310cc injectors so i can run it with the stock ecu for the time being. got them off of someone on clubrsx for $35.

[Ba82Ep3]

Sounds like a gameplan! And idea what you wanna do for a header?

[captaingamez]

well i already have an em2 front sway, so hopefully the stock a3 header will clear, but if not i will have to do some messing around with it.

what do you recommend header wise for clearance?

[Ba82Ep3]

If you wanna try an inexpensive route... scoop up an 07 Accord header. The primaries are big and because you will need to basically have a 'downpipe' made from the donut flange to your midpipe (donut to three bolt flange) youre guaranteed chassis and swaybar clearance.

I got mine for $25+shipping if i remember correct (got it from a hatcher)...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n562/dwms73/408662338_photobucket_44258_.jpg

And installed after some cleanup...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n562/dwms73/photobucket-6438-1357915264026.jpg

It will also help keep your AFR's in check since youll be on the stock ECU with 310's.

Its known for k24a1's with 310's to run safely with some raceheaders, and your typical CAI/catback setups. Youre however closer to taking a chance if you go this route... since you have no real way to know without an AFR gauge.

Its just a suggestion... and as far as i know, no one has tried it yet, but im 95% sure it will work. Your other options are k24 swap headers... or i know an RSX-S DCRH (mild steel) will work (i used that with an 05 RSX-S midpipe and EP3 axleback with either the stock EP3 front swaybar or the Hotchkis front swaybar)... but you need an RSX-S specific exhaust for it to fit... or cut up a $350 header you just bought.

[captaingamez]

so I shouldnt use the stock K20A3 header?

[Ba82Ep3]

If i remember correctly you cant have a swaybar at all if you use the k20a3 header. Once you add the extra 19mm of k24 deck height the k20a3 header aims right for the firewall where the heat shielding is.

Not to mention the primaries are really small on that header... but if you can get it to work since its 'free' i can understand why youd wanna try. Id check in the k24 Q&A thread to be sure...

[captaingamez]

couldnt find an answer in the q&a

I need to get the right header though.

how about the dc5-s header will it clear any better?

and which DCRH is everyone saying will work? is it the full race header that replaces the cat, or is it the one that replaces the header only????

I can get the 08 accord header for 24 bucks shipped, but it looks like it goes directly down instead of slanting back, so i would probably have to have a custom test pipe made right?

heres some more porn

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it has begun.......
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[Ba82Ep3]

Dunno about the OEM RSX-S header. : ( I know it has larger primaries than the EP3 OEM header... but dunno bout fitment with k24.

The RSX-S DCRH is a Race Header so its not the shorty. It replaces the cat. I didnt think about this but, do you have to BAR as well?

I found a cheap k24z2 shortblock last night... i might be back in the 2.4 club soon too... : )

[captaingamez]

BAR?? what do you mean?

[Ba82Ep3]

Emissions testing... i didnt know if you had that issue where you are (need for a catalytic converter).

[captaingamez]

yes, its through the computer though so as long as the rear o2 isnt in the exhaust path, your good. and as long as they dont start looking under your car. which wouldn't matter anyway cause I have a hollowed out stock cat so it looks original.

I would prefer not to use a race header since I drive to cali frequently and I have heard about these crazy tickets they write people for exhaust systems.

[m3nace]

BAR is so you can make your motor legal in the state you live in while its not necessary some wont swap without making it BAR legal cuz theyll run into trouble with law enforcement pretty much its like having an illegal citizen in your vehicle is the easiest way to put it LOL plus smog places wont pass you if they know its swapped unless you dish out extra dough

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[mitchlikesbikes]

why would you even bother putting that motor in there? ep3s aren't balanced right without the original JDM k20a.

:mwink:

[captaingamez]

why would you even bother putting that motor in there? ep3s aren't balanced right without the original JDM k20a.

:mwink:

lolololololololololololololol

well waddya gonna do, i dont got $5k sitting around.

they suck without 5 lug anyway so im double screwed.

[lemonhead228]

why would you even bother putting that motor in there? ep3s aren't balanced right without the original JDM k20a.

:mwink:

k20a are a waste of money imo, you can do so much more with that money

[mitchlikesbikes]

k20a are a waste of money imo, you can do so much more with that money

it was a joke. read the ahhh thread and you'll know haha

[captaingamez]

it was a joke. read the ahhh thread and you'll know haha

lolololol

I picked up some mobil one 10-30 full synth. it was on sale at walmart for 24.95

got plugs too, am I crazy or did you used to be able to order them for less than $10 each?

what do you guys prefer for oil filters, I have been using bosch distance plus, but my buddy said he gained oil pressure with a K&N, but i think their a bit overrated. opinions?

[m3nace]

Jdm hamp lol

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[mitchlikesbikes]

i used napa gold in my cherokee. pretty much anything other than fram is an upgrade.

[poeticfinesse21]

I've used Mobil 1, K&N, royal purple and the OEM A01 filter. They're all good choices. Like Mitch said, just stay away from fram and the OEM A02 filters.
The A01's are made by filtec :thumbu:
The A02's are made by fram :thumbd:

[Jpax]

Awesome!! keep up the pics too during your build! Header wise If I remember right, the RSX header's would work but only if you remove the sway bar, or get the RSX sway bar? Someone correct me if I am wrong please. It's been a while since I swapped out a K24 in an Ep, at least 5 to 6 years LOL

[Ba82Ep3]

After engine install/breakin i use Fram for my first three changes because i change it every 500 miles (cheap oil too) and could care less about filter life. Mobil1 filters from then on out... 11$ a pop hurts though.

[poeticfinesse21]

For 500 mile intervals, then fram would be the choice lol

[lemonhead228]

it was a joke. read the ahhh thread and you'll know haha

haha ic, didn't knew it was an inside joke


Awesome!! keep up the pics too during your build! Header wise If I remember right, the RSX header's would work but only if you remove the sway bar, or get the RSX sway bar? Someone correct me if I am wrong please. It's been a while since I swapped out a K24 in an Ep, at least 5 to 6 years LOL

haha yea its been awhiles, you meant the em2 front sway since its a lil smaller.


After engine install/breakin i use Fram for my first three changes because i change it every 500 miles (cheap oil too) and could care less about filter life. Mobil1 filters from then on out... 11$ a pop hurts though.

Yea thats the plan on my future frank ;) but than i read up on hamp filters that bump it up 5 psi. Most ppl use the s2k since it is very similar so idk

[captaingamez]

Gettin the Ol a3 out
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[captaingamez]

lots of work. but the A3 is out!
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t21/captaingamez/2878693B-D8CB-45E7-BB68-D6A2BE6C7A71-137-0000006CA71C207A_zpsea24eadf.jpg

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[captaingamez]

I just thought of something, the k24 came from an automatic, and the transmission is obviously manual, the k24 has no pilot bushing in it, can I buy a pilot bushing alone to put in the end of the crank?

[captaingamez]

stripped A3

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t21/captaingamez/CA216440-1A7C-42F3-9EE1-373C75A55180-137-0000007031569681_zpsef7627fe.jpg

[poeticfinesse21]

I just thought of something, the k24 came from an automatic, and the transmission is obviously manual, the k24 has no pilot bushing in it, can I buy a pilot bushing alone to put in the end of the crank?

Yes

[captaingamez]

alright sweet, gonna get that today.

just got back from the stealership with these

seems every time I leave a honda dealership though, i leave even more disappointed than i did the last time. its not just the cars, its everything, the customer service, and the whole way they operate, its really disappointing.

always use OEM sealants.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t21/captaingamez/899604D3-73C0-45A0-A1F7-762A40529BD8-137-0000007CF0DA8363_zpsd3888511.jpg

[captaingamez]

where do I but the pilot bushing, honda doesnt even list it as a part.

[Ba82Ep3]

It used to be on the same page as the clutch and flywheel parts listings (if i remember right)... the sites i frequent for Honda parts no longer show them. Interesting...

[poeticfinesse21]

Pilot bearing part # 22103-PNA-004

[captaingamez]

yea I found it, I feel real real stupid though, that could take a week to get and I need it NOW. car is down til I can get it.

arrrrrgh, gonna have to call the bearing shops tomorrow.

[captaingamez]

I ate my own words this morning, I left the honda dealership very very happy. they actually had the bushing!!!!!!!!!!, few bucks, like $3.xx. I also got me a throttle body gasket, IACV gasket, and a new clutch release arm weather seal, you know that wierd rubber thing on the clutch arm, they had it!!!, and for only like $7.xx

exhaust gasket and a new crank main seal are on their way this afternoon so hopefully I can have it fully together with the tranny attached tonight.

[poeticfinesse21]

Sounds good man :thumbu:
Post pics when you're done

[gtimportfanatic]

If you wanna try an inexpensive route... scoop up an 07 Accord header. The primaries are big and because you will need to basically have a 'downpipe' made from the donut flange to your midpipe (donut to three bolt flange) youre guaranteed chassis and swaybar clearance.

I got mine for $25+shipping if i remember correct (got it from a hatcher)...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n562/dwms73/408662338_photobucket_44258_.jpg

And installed after some cleanup...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n562/dwms73/photobucket-6438-1357915264026.jpg

It will also help keep your AFR's in check since youll be on the stock ECU with 310's.

Its known for k24a1's with 310's to run safely with some raceheaders, and your typical CAI/catback setups. Youre however closer to taking a chance if you go this route... since you have no real way to know without an AFR gauge.

Its just a suggestion... and as far as i know, no one has tried it yet, but im 95% sure it will work. Your other options are k24 swap headers... or i know an RSX-S DCRH (mild steel) will work (i used that with an 05 RSX-S midpipe and EP3 axleback with either the stock EP3 front swaybar or the Hotchkis front swaybar)... but you need an RSX-S specific exhaust for it to fit... or cut up a $350 header you just bought.

that'd be the one i sold gifted ya lol

[gtimportfanatic]

on the oil filter situation.. why don't you use oem honda filters? they are about 5-7 bux from the dealer and work best for obvious reasons

[USAF EP3]

One of those pictures looks like you gutted the A3 and made her bleed her fluids all over the garage floor LOL!

[captaingamez]

on the oil filter situation.. why don't you use oem honda filters? they are about 5-7 bux from the dealer and work best for obvious reasons

honda filters were great until they discontinued the OEM A02 filter. you can not get them anymore and the current filters (a01)are not as good.

currently I am running the K&N for an S2000, which has a larger capacity and less restriction.

updates to come awesome updates.

[captaingamez]

After about 21 hours of straight nonstop work, I have joined the club

So far no CEL. It did throw the lean code buy I think that's cause I started it a few times with no vacuum or intake. I t pulls hard and no major issues so far

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t21/captaingamez/8C691A83-ECFC-40BD-BCAC-12ECCA85126A-1670-00000185392B0EE2_zpsc9d9de9e.jpg
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[captaingamez]

The sway bar by the way has almost 2 inches of clearance with the stock exhaust a3 manifold and cat. The stock manifold is the same size runners as the crv manifold. I measured with a caliper, ep is actually half a millimeter bigger.

The stock belt fits no problem, it's a little tight though.

I used stock clutch and flywheel with no issues.

Here's the total build cost
Engine. 491
Gaskets. 60
Sealants 30
Fuel rail 56
Filter 13.99
Oil 27
Honda coolant type II. 34
Injectors 35
Bypass hose 10
NGK OEM plugs 40
Solvents. 15
Header wrap 10
Clutch arm seal 8.50
Pilot bushing 4
I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting but thats near 850 and I feel certain i spent over 900

But hey, I'd rather do it right once than multiple times the wrong way.



I have 10 miles on it And I had to fly back to PA today all of a sudden for a funeral, unfortunately, so I didn't even get to really have much fun in it yet. But I can tell you that it's a totally different car, not even remotely the same. My 0-60 time literally just became my 0-80 time, I redlined it 3 times so far, hard on the freeway and nothing weird happened. The power curve is very different, you hit the gas and its like shabam your at 4k then it evens out a bit more, the torque is awesome.

[theMan_ny]

Very nice! My A3 is slowly but surely dying too at 215,000 miles. :(

[USAF EP3]

The sway bar by the way has almost 2 inches of clearance with the stock exhaust a3 manifold and cat. The stock manifold is the same size runners as the crv manifold. I measured with a caliper, ep is actually half a millimeter bigger.

The stock belt fits no problem, it's a little tight though.

I used stock clutch and flywheel with no issues.

Here's the total build cost
Engine. 491
Gaskets. 60
Sealants 30
Fuel rail 56
Filter 13.99
Oil 27
Honda coolant type II. 34
Injectors 35
Bypass hose 10
NGK OEM plugs 40
Solvents. 15
Header wrap 10
Clutch arm seal 8.50
Pilot bushing 4
I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting but thats near 850 and I feel certain i spent over 900

But hey, I'd rather do it right once than multiple times the wrong way.



I have 10 miles on it And I had to fly back to PA today all of a sudden for a funeral, unfortunately, so I didn't even get to really have much fun in it yet. But I can tell you that it's a totally different car, not even remotely the same. My 0-60 time literally just became my 0-80 time, I redlined it 3 times so far, hard on the freeway and nothing weird happened. The power curve is very different, you hit the gas and its like shabam your at 4k then it evens out a bit more, the torque is awesome.

Time for BOOOOST!!! Lol.

[captaingamez]

Very nice! My A3 is slowly but surely dying too at 215,000 miles. :(
That's really not bad if you drive it hard, mine was at 250k and it had gotten hot a few times too.

Time for BOOOOST!!! Lol.
Lol ok, naah, nothing against boost, I just like my FF's to be all motor. Of course that may change after I get KPRO

What should I do with my a3 guys?, it's toasted and needs new rings and head gasket. Should I use it for the k24 core charge? I'd get $100 back

[Ba82Ep3]

Awesome! You should add your header info to the k24 thread for future reference. I never had a stock EP header to try on the k24... that was one of the first things i swapped when i got my SI back in the day. lol

[Ba82Ep3]

that'd be the one i sold gifted ya lol

:thumbu:

Yessir. And it worked so damn well... :mcool:

[captaingamez]

So any ideas on what I should do with the a3????? Is it worth more than $100?

[Ba82Ep3]

Keep it and rebuild it for a spare... so if you decide to do work to your k24 later on your EP can still be roadworthy. Even if you just swap rings and bearings its an inexpensive form of insurance to keep in the corner of your garage.

[captaingamez]

so now im getting the lean code once in a great while, first time it popped up was after the initial startup with no vaccuum or filter or basically anything attached, so lean was expected. it popped up aout 170-190 miles later idk why. soooooo..... kpro?


looks like that engine is gonna have to go.