so I'm installing my coilovers and my axles poped out. I've tried spinning and trying to push it in but it's not working. Does any one have any tips or suggestions? Please help!!
Thanks on advance to all the helpers and suggestions
-Jordan
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so I'm installing my coilovers and my axles poped out. I've tried spinning and trying to push it in but it's not working. Does any one have any tips or suggestions? Please help!!
Thanks on advance to all the helpers and suggestions
-Jordan
my only advice is........push harder. it took me like 30min to put my axel back in place.
1) loosely thread on the 3 top strut nuts.
2) put in the lower bolt on the strut/knuckel( yes it will go in with the axel out)
3) put the palm of your hand on the uppermost part of the knuckel( where the upper bolt goes through)
4) now turn the disk while leaning in on the upper knuckel,if it "feels" close, smack it with a dead blow hammer......have fun.
hmm I'm trying but it doesn't feel anywhere "close" it all feels the same. So I connect the top knucke bolt to the lower bolt hole on the coilovers?
that happend to me installing mine.. you just have to play with it
I had to pull the boot off and put mine back in. They were out of the car though.
I was thnking of taking theboot off but I dont know how and if I do how do I put it back in. These ways aren't really working. Anyone else?
Another trick I have heard about is to throw your spare donut onto the hub (don't forget the lug nuts) and use it like a steering wheel to line it up and jiggle it back in.
i feel your pain. i had the same problem couple weeks ago.
i had to popped the boot out, used my fingers to line the axle back up to the three bearings. then i re-greased it with some axle grease and put the boot back on.
it was a dirty job.
i lowered my car a few weeks ago and both axles popped out. we had 1 person turn the rotor, 1 person push like theres no tomorrow, and the 3rd turn the steering wheel back and forth and they popped in after like 5 minutes. DONT GIVE UP!!!
I know it is extremely frustrating and seems like it will never go back together, but trust me it eventuallly will. There is no need to remove the boot, although it helps. You just have to continue to move the knuckle back and forth, up and down while pressing and it will sort of just suck itself back in.
put your ep in gear, mine didn't go in till i put it in a gear...
Need to be a little more specific here... What exactly popped out? Shaft popped out of tranny? Outboard shaft popped out of knuckle? Inboard cv joint seperated? Outboard cv joint seperated?
I've been through this before too, just follow the advise others have given and it should eventually pop back in. Good Luck.
Try this, disconnect the LCA from the sub frame, then take the whole assembly and push it sum what to the front side of the car in the wheel well, while slightly pulling on the axle (not to much) and wiggle it around a bit. I had this happened NUMORUS times while messing with numerous things
here is the problem, there are three little balls that normally rest in slots in a cup, thats how the joint works, these balls are on the outer axel side held by a spider and are spring loaded outwards against the joint slots, and if you pull the axel out too far, they pop out. you can feel them under the rubber boot. the fix is really really easy, just push them in and push in the axel, I will now include a picture to demonstrate. someone save this pic because my photobucket might not always be around and I'd like this to stay
top two pictures are the axel and joint, one looking cross section from the side and one from looking straight at it (the right side picture, looks like if there were no dust boot, conceptually at least). they are in the happy normal operational state. the bottom two show where the axel has popped out and the axel wont go back in. just press the balls in as shown, and it slip right in. took me 5 seconds once I figured this out.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Si/axelpop.jpg
enjoy
dichotomous you are a great artist, such skill!
Nice illustration though.
sneaking that into my REAL work of designing a major college's new quad's stormwater pickup and treatment system without getting caught and THATS what ya get.... I'm actually really good at making beautiful drawings.
The only problem is is actually squeezing those balls back into the joint.
This is why doing my own suspension work scares me :mtongue:
AHHH easier than i though...ive read about the crazy axle popping out but its all fine. the first side i did (driver) popped out and it took me 3-4 hours to put back in. i must say MugenReplica give me the advice about putting on the spare wheel and using it as a steering wheel and poping it back in WORKS!!. the passengerside only took me 10-15 minutes. i held the spare wheel at 9 and 6 or a little lower and using my shoulder to lean in on it and slowly spinning it and leaning in. i heard clinks and clunks then i put my hands on the very bottom of the spare wheel and and pulled up with my shoulder and it popped back in.
Last night I was installing my front HFP spring and strut units. The passenger side went smoothly. Unfortunately, the driver's side did not as the axle apparently popped out leaving the brake caliper sitting at approximately at a 70 degree angle. I could not get the axle to go back in. I came in the house to look for a DYI on getting the axle back in and was fortunate to find this current thread which addressed my immediate problem.
I took Mustclime's advice and loosely installed the strut/spring unit by the three upper nuts and inserted the lower bolt that connects the brake unit to the strut/spring unit. I then slowly turned the brake disc, but it never felt like it was aligning up - after an hour or so I gave up for the night. Today, I found Dichotomous' fine CAD drawings and his instructions and I think "now I can do it". I went out to the garage, I reached into the motor side of the axle boot to find the balls, but I didn't feel any balls to press. Now I'm not an expert at feeling for balls, but it doesn't seem like this should be so challenging!
Any additional advise would be helpful - I know I don't want to remove the boot!
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looks like this thread helped more than one person out, great job guys with the advice and illustrations!
this is sticky worthy.. so now we wont have 15 threads on the same thing, anyone with a loose axle can just click on this thread!
my mistake guys, it was brought to my attention that i closed the thread - i clicked on the wrong option....
noob moment.
the thread is now open - :mbiggrin:
HOOOORAYYY!!! now my idle sounds weird...a slight very slight noise
is it almost a gurantee that the axles will pop out? seems like it is imminent
As my prior posting on this thread states I am currently trying to pop the driver's side axle back in. Since I'm having a hard time, I thought I would look at the Service Manual posted in the DIY section. FWIW, Section 16 of the 2003 Service Manual shows the "Balls" mounted (not spring loaded in a channel) on the "Spider" with "Rollers" sitting on the "Balls". From the way it is shown, I didn't see how the "Balls" could be pressed in. Is there a difference in design of the "Spider" for different model years?
Any additional insight would be appreciated.
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if you dont secure the axles - YES - its about a 99.9% they will pop out. to avoid this, get something to tie the rotor up to the engine bay to "hold" the axle in place.
having another set of hands to hold the rotor from pushing out is helpful also.
popping the axles back in is tricky. on my ep i had one out and my fiance worked on it about 1.5 hours and it finally went back in. then on his rsx, he worked on his axle that was out for a GOOD hour - got pissed and i told him to walk away. i said "fuck it" and tried, i got it in 10 minutes. the other side he got back in almost instantly.
the thing that always helped us is that we would push down on the entire rotor assembly while pushing the top of the rotor towards the transmission, then sway it back and forth slightly.... all at the same time. once its lined up the axle kinda sucks itself back in.
the next k series we worked on we tied the rotors up.... no axle out, it made the job ALOT quicker.
this is exactly what it looks like... if you can see from this pic
*compliments of last years MDBBQ*
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2..._1662small.jpg
lol bruce's was a much cleaner break... that tarred track helped i guess. lol
My axles popped out several times tonight (installing HFP suspension) and a few times in the past. I just slowly rotated the brake rotor while pushing in on the assembly - within a minute the axle lined up and popped back in.
:mcool: I wanted to go into drafting and designing area back in high school, but never followed through. I should have stayed with it.
I am surprised how some of you have been able to pop your axles in. My first coilover install was a nightmare and I could not get them to go in without removing the boot. PITA!!!!
SinisterCivicSi:
My popped out driver's side axle is sitting at an approximate 70 degree angle and is suspended by the lower bolt on the brake assembly from a new, loosely fitted HFP strut/spring assembly (method suggested by Mustclime).
So far, none of the other suggestions have worked for me. I was looking at your thread but, I'm confused as to how one would push down on the entire rotor assembly while pushing the top of the rotor towards the transmission then sway it back and forth slightly. Could you expand on your description? Is the brake assembly totally free of the new strut/spring assembly? Have you already rotated the rotor and found the proper location for the joint so the axle can pop back in? Any additional insight would be helpful.
Thanks,
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jh604:
Thanks for your response. Yes, I have tried the spare tire trick. I guess the reason it didn't work for me is that my car is on stands in my garage and not up on a lift. Therefore, I can't get as much leverage (standing, pushing up and using my shoulder) and the spare adds quite a bit of weight. I even tried to take a 1" x 6", drill bolt pattern holes in it so I could mount it to the hub, but I discovered the bolt studs aren't long enough to do this.
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mine were also on stands on my drive way. i put on the spare with 2 lugs on so it wont fall off. made sure the wheel was straight(i dont think is matters) but anyways made it straight held it at around 4 oclock and 8 o clock some where lower so you can lift up at the same time as spinning. i applied lots of pressure with my shoulder ( legs pushing up so my arms can spin it ) and spun is slowly and tried to hear the "clunk or cling" after i got that i continued to spin it and every rotation it would " cling or clunk " at the same spot. then lifted up with quite an amount of force and it popped back in.
FINALLY!!!!
I just managed to get my axle to pop back in. Thanks to all of you who posted ways to accomplish this feat. After four frustrating attempts, I put the spare on for the second time, pushed, turned and in less than five minutes it partially went in ... then, I rotated the wheel slowly while pushing and it went in the rest of the way. I was almost shocked, but happy because this frustrating experience was behind me.
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