Explanation of Guardian E.I. from Cybernation...

[esmith13]

Here is a quote from Head Cheese at Cybernation Motorsports about their upcoming product for all honda/acura owners (FI or not!).

[I]"Question: What is Guardian E.I.?

Answer: Let us revisit what Guardian is and why the concept. We have proven that we can post huge horsepower numbers and boost 40 psi at will. A major concern most people usually have when considering boost is safety. I have been asked many times

[mdoyle]

Sounds good, but how much can you really trust something like this? Is there any sort of warranty if the program doesn't pick up something and ruins your engine?

[esmith13]

Well, it has safety cutoffs that stop boosting in a bad situation.

Aside from that (in regards to the program) if it drives at all once u install it - it generates fuel map right away (or it wouldn't drive). Once that map is first created - it always has the current "saved" map to fall back on if a sensor fails preventing it from correctly reading changes in the future - in which case it's working like a well tuned S-AFC at that point with a programmed fuel map.

Or were you refering to some other potential problem?

Eric

[SSMep3]

would it be feasible to run the guardian with just I/raceH/E and hondata, because i know that we do run a little lean at about 5000 rpms. How does this work is it compatible with hondata or does it replace it altogether? Also any info on price?

[downhil]

impressive.

[mdoyle]

Originally posted by esmith13
Well, it has safety cutoffs that stop boosting in a bad situation.

Aside from that (in regards to the program) if it drives at all once u install it - it generates fuel map right away (or it wouldn't drive). Once that map is first created - it always has the current "saved" map to fall back on if a sensor fails preventing it from correctly reading changes in the future - in which case it's working like a well tuned S-AFC at that point with a programmed fuel map.

Or were you refering to some other potential problem?

Eric

What happens if a sensor fails and it falls back to a map that was created while running, say 8 lbs of boost and you have just switched to 15 lbs?

[02SilverSiHB]

my jrsc wants one :D

[esmith13]

Originally posted by mdoyle
What happens if a sensor fails and it falls back to a map that was created while running, say 8 lbs of boost and you have just switched to 15 lbs?

Simple - since idle fuel will be the same the car will start normally - when you attempt to drive it the car will change back to 8psi automatically. Guardian has boost control override - that's how it can "stop" u from boosting if the car is running uncontrollably lean (injectors clogged or too small) or if it's overheating too much from boost. Now, a real wastegate still sets absolute boost - so there is no failure worries there - Guardian just has the ability to LOWER boost electronically - even if all the sensors fail it still can't boost higher than the wastegate setting.

So in a nutshell - if this happens the car will still run 8psi ;)
Hows that for safe :D

Eric

[esmith13]

Originally posted by SSMep3
would it be feasible to run the guardian with just I/raceH/E and hondata, because i know that we do run a little lean at about 5000 rpms. How does this work is it compatible with hondata or does it replace it altogether? Also any info on price?

Based on what I know you SHOULD be able to run hondata too but it would be a waste. Hondata and guardian do the same thing except guardian wouldn't allow a lean condition and probably will give a tad more WHP since it can run 13:1 on the money regarless of your climate or altitude - hondata has to run a lil rich to prevent cold high altitude users from going BOOM ;)

Guardian is slated to have 2 versions - one with the abilty to set your own rev limiter and one without. Sounds to me like you'd save money by selling your hondata and just getting guardian.

I know for a fact you CAN use it with any other bolt-on situation or FI situation... Not 100% sure about the hondata part tho - but as i said - you can get 100% the same results even if you remove the hondata so why not sell it to pay off part of guardian's cost?
Eric

[danoonez]

Would they just hurry up and finish beta testing?!

[fsugatorbait]

Whats a realistic expected timeframe for release?

[esmith13]

2-4 months till one can be bought, paid for and shipped out.

ESTIMATED of course. ;)

Eric

[SSMep3]

eric do u know what the cost will be? more or less than the k-pro, i am figuring more do to the fact it needs no tuning ever?

[stpkenton]

this is the best mod i have heared of. is there a set price yet.. if its anything less than 1500 i will be getting it.........sold

[esmith13]

All I know is a few months ago I was told around $500. But I don't know if that price still applies since they have added more features since.

ALSo i don't know if that was a price to me as a current Cybernation Turbo Kit Customer or if the price was for anybody.

Unfortunately that means I don't have ANY reasonable info to share on pricing.

I promise i will post ANY press info i get from them AS SOON as I get it. I am on CN's back about this release - i want one so bad I can taste it and the guys at CN know it and remember my name. ;)

Eric