Reply With Quoteweird, to each their own. This car feels crazy stable at high speeds to me - I have ftb/xbrace/springs/rsb 22mm progress - on stock suspension.....
I was thinking the mugen suspension would make a huge diff....
I have to first start this thread off by saying that I love my ep, everything, but the handling. I know alot of people may disagree with me on this possibly because most of us own ep's, or simply because you really think the ep's suspension is great. Either way I would like to get as much of an unbiased opinion on this as possible.
My reason for this thread is that as it stands now I am unhappy with the ep's handling and because of this I am considering selling the car. I have done a few mods to the suspension which includes, Mugen sport suspension and Progress front and rear swaybars. Each of these mods has improved the handling, but I still feel like something is out of whack. My guess is the front Macpherson strut setup. Throughout the time of owning this car I have felt uncomfortable at higher speeds, like the car is jittery and unable to take deviations in the road very well. Around corners it feels ok, a bit too much body roll, but still feels pretty good. Comparing the ep to an older '97 civic I used to own the '97 civic just felt more solid to me. If I did sell the car I would most likely get a 99-2000 civic or an older integra gs-r. So basically I would like your opinions of which car has greater handling capabilities, especially if you have driven all these cars. Thanks, and I hope I didn't offend anyone with this thread.
weird, to each their own. This car feels crazy stable at high speeds to me - I have ftb/xbrace/springs/rsb 22mm progress - on stock suspension.....
I was thinking the mugen suspension would make a huge diff....
All I've got is 16x7 wheels on 205/50's, Mugen SS and an RSX-S rear sway, and it is certainly stable. Feels like a new car, but certainly a LOT cheaper and less hassle. There's a freeway onramp near my place that's posted for 20 mph, but is pretty fun at the top of 2nd gear. ;)Originally Posted by Dunrick
weird, to each their own. This car feels crazy stable at high speeds to me - I have ftb/xbrace/springs/rsb 22mm progress - on stock suspension.....
I was thinking the mugen suspension would make a huge diff....
The EP's structure is very sound. Feel free to change the parts that you see fit.
you must be stinkin hardcore man...even after just springs i love taking my cars around corners and highspeeds.
Formerly known as Plainol2k2si
im still not sure if i like the EPs handing vs my old 94 civics handling, but i do think that my 94 integra handles better. once i get the EP lowered and add a sway bar that might change, but stock for stock i think the integra is better.
If you want your car to feel more stable on high speed, then you should invest in getting a d3Design Double X-Brace. No BS, and I ain't getting money for this. Before, driving without the double x-brace, the car felt shakey and the steering wheel just shakes (very little) and moves way to easily. I thought of removing the power steering. But then.... I purchased and installed the double x-brace and all that I said above is gone. Cruising at high speeds feels like I'm going 40 instead of 80. Car feels so much more soild now. My friend drives my car now and then. I get lazy, heheh. After the brace was installed, he was like, wtf.....the car feels different, more stable, wtf did you do. I didn't even tell him I did that mod. So.......just think about it.
Dunrick - The Mugen suspension does make a difference in handling, but it is designed for the street so it's not a huge upgrade.
Plainol2k2si - It's not really the cornering that is the problem, it's more when I am driving on a straight road where there is deviations in the road. This makes going into a corner fast not as fun. Once I am in the corner it's fine.
Raiyo, If I choose to keep the ep the D3 Designs x-brace is probably going to be my next mod along with some front and rear strut bars. I would also like to get a full suspension bushing kit if there are any for the ep.
Phlegyas- Thanks for the imput. I'm going to try to find an integra to test drive. Hopefully I can check out some older civics to compare since it's been a while from when I drove one.
As much as i hate to say it, i see exactly where you are coming from.
The double wishbone just gives the older civics that go-kart like feel to them. The macpherson is sloppy stock, but has plenty of potential when modified.
definitely, double wishbone is going to be better on the bleedin threshold, but I think you might need some front camber bolts and alignment work to remedy what ails you.
What are your specs?
A lot of my issues with the EP's handling don't necessarily come from the suspension design but the weight. Handling is affected a LOT by the weight of the car and it's just not fair to compare an early 90s civic that weighs less than 2200lbs to our pig that weighs a quarter of a ton more than that. More weight = a lot more for the suspension and tires to deal with. I think that a BIG issue with the EP is the skinny ass tires they put on such a heavy car. It's been proven more than once that the EP loves a wider tire with more contact patch. The stock suspension is pretty well balanced but isn't anywhere near optimized for handling.
took the words right out of my mouth. in stock form, the EP definintely is geared more towards comfort and everyday drivability. but now that I'm lowered with some fatter/sticker shoes, the EP feels like a totally different car. the rear rotates around much easier, almost to the point of oversteer (could be the -2.0* of camber :angel: ).
but going back to the stability at high speeds, the EP suits my needs just fine. there are some twisties near where i work, and taking those home one day, i always felt in control. this was back when i was stock, but i never felt unstable or unsafe. don't get me wrong, the EP is a porker and it's obvious there's a lot of weight to carry around, i think it does so well. i guess different strokes for different folks.
it is obviously preference though - I know my eyes weren't seeing things when the SPoon ep3 owned up the ek9 spoon car.....
Porsche seems to do okay with their strut setup (well, apart from the multilink rear, of course) --
http://content2.us.porsche.com/prod/...h/chassisaxles
Last edited by BarracksSi; 06-21-2004 at 03:50 PM.
good point, I believe also M3 and EVo is mcpherson - I believe tons of performance cars are....
yeah most of the rally cars out there use macpherson strut front suspension and some all the way around, but neither here nor there I love the way my ep handles, i do have the 04 model with a little bit more reinforced frame, but riding stock it is great out on the open road and i was just romping it on corners last night on and off the freeway, i personally have been pleased. i am going to be adding progress springs, rear sway, wider tires and probably the x-brace. i love driving hard, but i don't know that i will ever go as far as full suspension due to the expertise needed to tune it for different conditions and keep it tuned for everyday driving, but that is just me. one of these days i will have a race only car and then it will be different.
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