how to: heel toe downshifting

[RedSiBaron]

To get the true effect of heel-toe, you have to really know exactly what rpm is at what speed in every gear.

I heel toe like the japanese pros hitting the gas pedal with the actual heel. I place the brake lower on my foot near the middle so that I don't have to crank my leg as much. It seems easier to manipulate the amount of braking pressure when you've divided the movements to the top and bottom of the foot instead of left and right.

haha i did that method in my 86si and i loved it, something about it is a lot more enjoyable than just rolling your foot...i dont like doing it that ^^^ way in the ep, dealing with teh center console just isnt fun imo...but ya i agree, gotta know exactly where you are shifting, its a learning experience with every car...but very worthwhile to practice...

[mormonboy]

i learned how to downshift from watching best motoring videos.

i downshift everyday, and when i don't, i feel like im not controlling the car. its weird.

but downshifting is indeed useful, and allows you to keep the car undercontrol and in

gear at all times.

and double-clutching is a fuckin riceboy move. this isn't the fast and furious. double clutching on modern cars is completely unecessary, as that is what the "synchro" is for. unless you drive a semi-truck as a daily, theres no need to double clutch. quit watching to much fast n furious.

[RedSiBaron]

i learned how to downshift from watching best motoring videos.

i downshift everyday, and when i don't, i feel like im not controlling the car. its weird.

but downshifting is indeed useful, and allows you to keep the car undercontrol and in

gear at all times.

and double-clutching is a fuckin riceboy move. this isn't the fast and furious. double clutching on modern cars is completely unecessary, as that is what the "synchro" is for. unless you drive a semi-truck as a daily, theres no need to double clutch. quit watching to much fast n furious.

uhh...we are talking about rev matching not downshifting...

and in f&f they made the mistake of referancing "double clutching" for upshifts, WRONG...its for downshifting


double clutching is not a riceboy move, it will further help take load off your transmission and prolong its life...it takes load off of your clutch plate and the throwout bearing, it also further helps match the rotational speed of the input shaft to the gear being selected...synchros do that, but if you bypass them through doubleclutching then it will prolong their life as well...

[MugsyTheGr8]

uhh...we are talking about rev matching not downshifting...

and in f&f they made the mistake of referancing "double clutching" for upshifts, WRONG...its for downshifting


double clutching is not a riceboy move, it will further help take load off your transmission and prolong its life...it takes load off of your clutch plate and the throwout bearing, it also further helps match the rotational speed of the input shaft to the gear being selected...synchros do that, but if you bypass them through doubleclutching then it will prolong their life as well...

roffle

[ryko]

very enjoyable right up. i cant do this. lol

[musashi1219]

I am not saying that you should take this as the gospel truth but it has been my knowledge that there is no need for double clutching with modern transmissions. I have Severn corvettes with over 20k TRACK miles on them and only one has needed a clutch replacements. When I say track I mean track driving all out all the time. The minority of these people can barely drive manual so I promise you they are not double clutching.

[MugsyTheGr8]

first track event today and i didnt get a chance to try it out

[MEAN IRISH GUY]

i just shift into 5th right away. 1-4 are over rated

[Trimix]

I think for people who are new to heel-and-toe, it's probably better to learn how to down a simple rev-match first before doing the h-and-t stuff, which is a bit more involving and complicated for newbies.

[QUEEN]

I have been trying to learn how to heel-toe for the past year since I have mastered rev matching. Because I am unfortunate of having small size 7 (in womens) feet, I can't accomplished this skill yet. My feet fit perfectly inbetween the brake and gas gap. Sad sad days!

[Trimix]

I have been trying to learn how to heel-toe for the past year since I have mastered rev matching. Because I am unfortunate of having small size 7 (in womens) feet, I can't accomplished this skill yet. My feet fit perfectly inbetween the brake and gas gap. Sad sad days!

I think with smaller feet it might be easier to do heel-and-toe. Length shouldn't be an issue because the brake and gas pedals aren't very far apart. You can easily do the heel-and-toe move rather than the "toe-roll" move.

[RedSiBaron]

I am not saying that you should take this as the gospel truth but it has been my knowledge that there is no need for double clutching with modern transmissions. I have Severn corvettes with over 20k TRACK miles on them and only one has needed a clutch replacements. When I say track I mean track driving all out all the time. The minority of these people can barely drive manual so I promise you they are not double clutching.

Yah i agree, its not needed, but it definitely cant hurt...

for me its more so a habit built up after driving a car that had its transmission trashed by a previous owner, so it would grind without double clutching and revmatching...

I have been trying to learn how to heel-toe for the past year since I have mastered rev matching. Because I am unfortunate of having small size 7 (in womens) feet, I can't accomplished this skill yet. My feet fit perfectly inbetween the brake and gas gap. Sad sad days!

my suggest would be to either rotate your foot more and tap the gas with your heel more, or make a cheater plate like people were talking about to cheat the throttle closer to the brake...or modify the throttle arm and rebend it to be closer, but im not entirely sure how that would mess with the geometry...

[MugsyTheGr8]

I think for people who are new to heel-and-toe, it's probably better to learn how to down a simple rev-match first before doing the h-and-t stuff, which is a bit more involving and complicated for newbies.

we are assuming you already know how to do that. thats why i made this thread.

[oogy-boogy]

Cleaned...

[RedSiBaron]

They are pretty far apart for my foot situation :frown:

did you bother to read what i posted just for YOU, i gave you a solution to your problem, and it was based on what other people have been saying in this thread since like page 2 or 3...