Reply With QuoteThe real determining factor would be is the CRV registered as a truck or a passenger car.
Hello there I know this was covered a long while ago but even then there was a debate on whether it was illegal in california to put an engine from the crv into the ep3. I was wondering if this is the case. I really want to go k24a1 when I need to do an engine rebuild, so I have a great deal of time just wondering if I can legally do this.
The real determining factor would be is the CRV registered as a truck or a passenger car.
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its a truck motor. been discussed previously. wont pass ref
accord k24 will
Yes as I stated I know it has been discussed previously as I have been here since 2006 and remember the debate. Problem is, like talon said, is it registered here as a truck or passenger car. Guess I need to find that out first. If it is registered as a truck motor then I guess I will go the z1 or a2 route. I want to build a frank but don't want to build the bottom end. My race/limited street car is in my avatar. Just want a fun street car until I can go the v-8 route much later down the road.
CRV's don't have Commercial license plates like trucks do. DMV requires trucks to have commercial plates, my tundra's license plate only has 1 letter and the rest are numbers. Cars and passenger vehicles have 3 letters.
So does this mean it is a legal swap for us cali guys then?Originally Posted by robzilla
If you want to build a frank then start with the K24A4 from the accord, it does have the newer design, and is usually cheaper than the K24A1
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Agree with TalonXracer, if you want to build a frank start with the accord motor. Here is what the BAR website says. There are some people on here with K24 and KPro and have passed california emissions. I have been reading up on it a lot and hopefully one day do a k24 swap. I want a TSX engine.
http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARR...uidelines.html
Copy and paste from the Bureau of auto repair website.
Engine Change Guidelines
Overview
Engine changes continue to present problems and challenges to car owners and technicians. Here are some tips to keep you and your customers on the straight and narrow.
Our recommendation is to rebuild and reinstall the original engine, transmission, and emission control configuration.
When rebuilding an engine, it must be rebuilt to the original equipment specifications. However, if you do decide to change the engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.
Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes – not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.
Remember also, state and federal anti–tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.
California Certification
A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49–state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.
Certification Standards
Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust – controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.
Classification
Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy–duty engine cannot be installed in a light–duty exhaust–controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non–emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off–road–use–only engines may not be placed in any exhaust–controlled vehicle.
Computer Controls
If a computer–controlled engine is installed in a non–computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.
Emission Control Configuration
Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine–chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.
Emission Warranty
Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.
Engine Modifications
No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB–exempted or EPA–certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.
Original Equipment
The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel–to–gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).
Smog Inspection
These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).
user chubbychu had a k24a2 and failed the visual inspection of BAR. it is unfortunate his thread was lost in the 2nd site crash because he had a lot of great info on why the k24a2 won't pass BAR in CA. I know it has to do with a coolant port and something about missing certain pins in the ECU wiring harness that activate certain valves... but dont quote me on that. Try PMing him and perhaps he will inform you further
Oh wow, well thank you all for such great information. Now I really need Talon's help desperately on my p0171 code problem in the ep discussion section.
this is true, but i've read some skeptical posts on clubrsx on how members have passed with k24a2 swaps in cali, but they never went into detail about it
I have seen some of those posts, and that's what keeps me reading into it looking for answers. You are right no one has gone into detail about it.
i've researched it over and over and looked up post by post and it seems like if you do try to BAR a k24a2 swap you have to go all "stock" by using the rbb manifold. this is where chubby chu failed his visual because he use the prb and the tech saw something missing or whatever. others on clubrsx have mentioned just going all stock in with the rbb and passing. although i cant be 100% sure b/c there isnt cold hard facts
Yeah, that makes sense. It could also depend on the tech and how much they know about honda engines. If you had a Karcepts throttle body adapter there might be a tech that would not pass the visual as well. Who knows. If you find anything, post it up!!!!!
side story.
I have an 96 civic Lx I put all Ex exhaust parts on it, DC header, cat and full cat back. I had a smog tech fail me on visual because he knew honda's and said I didnt have an Ex and that header was made for vtec and mine is non-vtec. I said I wasnt throwing any codes, but he still wouldnt pass me. I put a stock manifold and exhaust back on, I should have just went to another smog place. Later on I ended up going to the state referee because of an emissions ticket (racing sports akimoto intake with no carb sticker I replaced the intake with an AEM CIA) and they didnt even question the header, I gave the ref the paper all the carb exempt paper work and they passed me no problems.
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