I am not disputing the gains from stock at all, I think others are not so quick to judge because they have not yet made any std. bolt on mods yet, and the chip would offer them the quick fix to get reasonable gains for a reasonable cost. Cudos for that. Where things get grey for me, and believe me, I was the first to toot how much I wanted hondata to put the crown on my car, is that the advantages are waning when other standard mods are included in the mix. Things don't always work out as expected. You guys have seen that there is a limit to tuning even with moderate mods. An's car might mean there is another 2-3 hp being drained along his exhaust, if so, I still am willing to do this. But my wisdom kicks in and from where I stand it's just not worth it yet. My mods are a little more specialized than what you guys have done. I know there was talk of including the TB mods in your test runs, and would hope that also lends itself to further gains. I think for the average consumer you guys have hit a nice mark. Hard to refute 10 or so hp for just $600 from stock.Originally posted by ChurchAutoTest
myeverlovinsir,
I think you might not be looking at the whole picture here. Hondata has tested the flash on two cars. The totally stock car picked up 10 hp and pretty convincing gains. When it had the AEM mounted it picked up another 5 hp. If you reversed the order of modifications, the AEM would probably make more and the Hondata less - that's how it usually works, first mod makes the most power.
The car with intake and header picked up almost nothing below 6k except in a couple of places. In fact, even before the flash it was making less torque down low than the totally stock car, and far less than the stock car with flash.
What does this all mean? The answer is, no quite knows for sure. From a sales perspective, Hondata would have probably been better served to just post the stock car, stock car w/flash and stock car w/flash and AEM. But Doug is an honest guy who is interested in informing people - more info is better as far as he is concerned.
For your car, will you see gains? That is an unknown. Well, not quite, you will see gains on the top end, and the extra 800 rpm of rev range will help your acceleration a lot. You'll also see gains below 2000. The question is actually, will you see gains between 2000 and 7000 rpm.
I suspect that the stock exhaust on ep3guy's car may be problematic. I really don't know though. I'm sure he'll be back in for testing when he gets a new one.
That said, keep your eyes and ears open and see what results other people with similar mods as you get with the flash. I think that most will see some nice gains across the board. BTW folks, the dyno graph for Rick's car did not even have an intake, just Hondata and 91 octane. That's why you have to take An's results with a grain of salt, he wasn't producing as much power and torque as expected before the flash.
Best of luck.
SC
The big picture is that my car is somewhat uniquely setup and should be tested and tuned apart from what hondata is currently offering, the generic chip won't cut the mustard for me, other than a higher rev. limit. I hope to include hondata tuning in my future mods, such as the head swap, but by then the rev. limit will no longer be an issue. Other internals such as connecting rods and pistons are going to take precidence.
I think for now I will be happy to be ahead of the game thus far and wait until tuning is entirely necessary.
btw: I did not spend near $600 US to get there, excluding the header and CAI of course.
myeverlovinsir...:D
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