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    Budget boost

    Ok, I'm Really wanting to boost my car in the very near future. But sadly with school and all, I am on a budget, so as much as I would like to drop $5-6k on a full race system it's just not going to happen.

    So far, I've loomed at the greedy kit and it's still a little pricey. I was looking into the emusa kits and also the Godspeed kits ( since they are on the lower side on the price range).

    I've also seen a few ads for Godspeed in modified mag but never heard of anyone using them. Anyone have experience with these?

    I've checked out the emusa sticky on the forum and I'm very interersted in it as well. Experiences with that?

    Right now I have a injen short ram intake, hondata IMG, skunk2 RH, DC sports exhaust for bolt ons and will be adding kpro before boosting obviously.

    But my question is what would be my best buddy turbo kit?
    And also it ability to modified and upgraded down the road?

    I'm really looking to get into the 350whp range, also I'm running a k20a3 right now. Thanks guys
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    Reaper. Take a look at MY thread, just under yours. It'll answer your 350hp on an A3 quest.
    If you live in Charlotte, we are having a meet Oct. 1st is Statesville. You should come. Check it out in the Meet section.

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    Read through this ENTIRE thread. This will answer all your "Budget" Turbo build questions.

    http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthr...693-EMUSA-info


    P.S. - I formatted down your questions as I was having trouble following it all in a big paragraph. I hope that doesn't offend.
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    Ok, thank you. And haha no i wasn't offended i was just like umm? When I checked it now, It was all bunched together because I was posting on my phone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    Reaper. Take a look at MY thread, just under yours. It'll answer your 350hp on an A3 quest.
    If you live in Charlotte, we are having a meet Oct. 1st is Statesville. You should come. Check it out in the Meet section.
    Yea man, I'll try to get up there and check it out. But I was reading your thread and the general conclusion that I came to was that it was damn near impossible to get 350whp out of a K20a3 engine? I'm not really wanting to do a swap right now mainly because I just don't have the real funds for it and also I don't have a spare vehicle for the time that the ep would be down. Any thoughts on this guys? Also, what about Godspeed? Anyone have and experience with them?

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    realisticly you it would take you more fund to get to 350 with the k20a3 then it would with a cheap k24a1 or 4. I know nothing of the godspeed one but like AK said he's had sucess with it. Also honestly with a k20a3 at 7-10lbs with kpro you will be lucky to be at 250hp
    But with that said if you want a kit I have one for sale :)
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    What kind of kit, and how much?

    ::edit:: I found it. Too much for my blood, sorry.
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    Cheap + Boost = kaboom... Get a k24 or a k20 then build or boost. Should be under 5k if you're lucky

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    I take it just as he said it....JUST the nuts and bolts. Going through the EMUSA thread told me that, and that the turbo itself may need to be rebuilt one day. BUT, most turbos do. Some people just prefer to do that, apparently, to build the turbo to Garrett specs. Not trying to be rude...Im just acknowledging the fact that its hard to believe someone makes a decent quality ANYTHING for cheap, you know? Regardless, even if you did replace all of the nuts and bolts, rebuilt the turbo, and bought your own wastegate, its still cheaper than most other kits. When I finally get this kit, Im just gonna get my own wastegate and bov.
    Either way, Im sold on this kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper27 View Post
    So what exactly do you mean? Would I have to basically take out all the componets, turbo, wastegate, BOV, IC, and the nuts and bolts for this to be a good kit?
    its hard to say what i want to say, without making it sound bad. but here it goes:
    This setup is CHEAP. its also probably got 0% backing of R&D. and it comes with REALLY low quality nuts and bolts, and gaskets. and its all bought from a GIANT chinese company that manufactures all these turbokits, bov, wg, microwaves, fishing poles, garage door openers, you name it. i've seen their global website, and they even make commercial/diesel grade equipment.

    So what I'M saying is, you MIGHT get the shit end of the stick and have a blown turbo in 50 miles, crazy ugly welding done in your i/c pipes that might have different wall thicknesses that could potentially crack, snapping bolts, leaking gaskets, warped/cracked log manifold, and blow couplings. the list could go on, because this is made not by a company that specializes in ep3 turbo kits, or ANY turbo kits. they just copy whats on US patents and make it.

    what i'm also trying to say is, this kit straight out of the box for that emergency turbo build weekend if you gotta have it and there are terrorists holding a gun to your head while i'm answering this thread, is the best turbo kit brand spanking new that you could get for the price, because it comes like 90% complete, just needing a few pieces like that TB to IC pipe coupler and a dump tube (from the top of my head list of parts it needs to be a complete kit). like seriously if you got those 2-3 parts you could bolt this bad boy up and baby it till you can get it tuned.

    it comes with all ic piping, couplers -1, turbo, manifold, downpipe, test pipe, wastegate, bov, different wg springs, prewelded bov flange, all gaskets (i didn't get a greddy gasket, but i also asked for them to put a greddy flange on since they normally put hks flanges on), nuts bolts, washers, spring washers, studs (also changed these out) and t-bolt clamps. the pipes are even FLARED so they don't pop off under boost. just need to cut the test pipe ends to fit your exhaust and have an exhaust shop weld up a flange or something to connect it to your midpipe.

    what you can do for some peace-of-mind, is replace all hardware items (nuts, bolts, screws, washers, spring washers, studs and gaskets [that also means the bolts on the turbo, wastegate, if you can find them for the bov, and ones that fit inside the wastegate spring cup) maybe machine any faces of the manifold and turbo, dremel the burrs off the i/c piping, get the turbo rebuilt to garrett specs or sell it on craigslist/ebay and get a legit turbo, even a $450 rebuilt garrett t3/t4, get name brand bov and wastegate, although i do know a TON of people running ebay versions no problem, but like i said at least change the hardware on those, and get some good vacuum hose from napa. and maybe replace the couplings for some vibrant pieces.

    i don't remember if i said it already, but if you're going to wait hella year to put it in, you could just buy name brand parts and piece it together while you wait. just buy them as you find the deals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    I take it just as he said it....JUST the nuts and bolts. Going through the EMUSA thread told me that, and that the turbo itself may need to be rebuilt one day. BUT, most turbos do. Some people just prefer to do that, apparently, to build the turbo to Garrett specs. Not trying to be rude...Im just acknowledging the fact that its hard to believe someone makes a decent quality ANYTHING for cheap, you know? Regardless, even if you did replace all of the nuts and bolts, rebuilt the turbo, and bought your own wastegate, its still cheaper than most other kits. When I finally get this kit, Im just gonna get my own wastegate and bov.
    Either way, Im sold on this kit.
    and its true, i believe in "you get what you pay for" - this kit is not the exception, but depending on what you're ok with, you can save some serious dough on it, or pay a little more and make it even better, while still being cheaper than say, a greddy or revhard log manifold setup, name brand everything, complete. you would need to get some serious deals on all used stuff to beat this kit, which are out there, but i really try not to buy non-rebuilt turbos from people unless i see them first. even then, i wouldn't buy it unless it was also unused after a rebuild, unless they were practically giving to me for free (and with some of these used kit prices, its real hard to say no to a whole bolt on affair cheaper than this kit =\) but like i said, it depends on what you're ok with. you might be ok with a used turbo and want to spend the money if you need to to rebuild it, maybe you're ok with mild steel i/c piping. maybe you're ok with cracking cast manifolds. list goes on. i'd rather not ever have to deal with these kind of things so i chose a proven (thus far) kit that does the job. i spent the extra cash on the little things to make it better, i've yet to have problems caused by the kit. money has been well spent.

    honestly, the internetz is scaring people from alot of ebay products, and i don't blame them. but don't think that brand name market is holding down 99% of the game out there on the streets and track, almost all my honda customers are running ebay stuff and its holding, along with some nissan and toyota guys too. i do see name brand things come in and its pretty sweet looking, and honestly we should be seeing more of that stuff. but these people want the best bang for the buck, and if none brand named items are cheaper and hold their ground, they will go with it.

    well thats my take on the whole thing. if you want a turbo project this kit is great. you'll learn a lot and all that good stuff. once you get your hands on it you'll be able to see what you want to do with it. i highly recommend reading turbo 101 if you've not been boosted before or done a turbo build before. for what this kit is, its a great deal. even for $700. thats chump change by the time you're done with a proper build.

    kbai

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    Wow, thanks man. That was a lot of good info that I needed. I am kinda leaning toward buying this kit and slowly rebuilding it till its better and going from there because sadly me having 5k to spend on a brand-name turbo kit is not going to happen any time in the next few years. Thats just the bottom line, no matter how much I would love to its just not fesible with my economic situation and pay grade haha. I've done a lot of research in this and I've seen a lot of people running ebay parts with success but I also have some reservation with its quaility. That why I'm thinking about swapping out all the odds and ends in this kit and giving it a try. Then upgrading down the line. I was wondering tho, are you still running the emusa kit on your ep3? and also what have you had to fix/repair on it or the car for that matter since you've ran it?

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    yes im running it. nothings broken.

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    People use the godspeed kits on D series motors with great success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02TWSI View Post
    People use the godspeed kits on D series motors with great success.
    Ok, I've just heard mixed reviews about them. Like it playing a gamble, they might last a month or 5 years, it just depends. That kinda what I was afraid of with the emusa kits but they seem to stand up and get decent reviews

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    i actually just saw the emusa turbo kit for 699.99 on ebay lol tempting but idk... i feel as though after all of this information your just asking for a headache and youre better off just doing what was listed... just piece together a kit over time itll be cheaper than paying 4g's for a greddy kit and itll be more reliable than buying a turbo that might blow up in 50 miles lol

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